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Thank You, moishy. And that really puts a stop to this conversation, because we dare not argue with HIM, huh ?
People making a fool of themselves speaking in public (usually at simchos).
x2 – and butchering a pasuk/Chazal in the process.
Yishmael is named after, and exists because of, the power of prayer. There are many sources in Chazal that this is their strength. It is def. relevant to us, and can certainly serve as motivation for chizuk in this area.
Don’t want to get everyone riled up again, but:
PBA – am surprised by your stance. Are you in contact with many dating singles ? I am, and know too many guys who wouldn’t even bother to deny the assumption that they basically date by going through their checklist.
Don’t get CY, am very curious, do you mean it literally ? It says where its from ?
Wanting something, which I happen to have found out about through seeing in someone else’s possession,is not jealousy. There is always an element of not “fargining” involved in jealousy.
His point is that its because it bacame a normal way of social interacting, that he was able to do so. He could have sent her a letter, but put it on FB because that’s where he’s comfortable socially. Or something like that. Just quoting.
R’ D. Goldwasser writes in his book about a guy who broke up with his fiance on facebook, rather than in person! (Then again, I guess that’s why its in a book about addiction…)
Wolf – jealousy is a normal, though undesirable, human trait. I would not demand of someone to be above jealousy in order to have the privilege of being my friend.
Correction.
“Why kupat hair?” – so you could do the above, and feel geshmak.
(no offense meant – I did “chapp” hana’ah)
PBA, it is a general shaylah in the poskim about putting yourself in a matzav of ptur. Seem to remember they quote a tshuvas Maharil Diskin that’s ma’arich about it…
You can always sing Asher Yatzar es ha’adam, but that’s not a Gemara…
We used to sing
Tzuvach Tzuvach,
Tzuvach Tzuvach,
Tzuvach V’hadar Shusak…
Never said all, said many.
YOU said there’s no such thing.
short-term memory lapse forgiven.
“I’ll repeat, for those who might not have seen it (such as Logician)”
I saw it. And I was addressing you when I said that its clear that many poskim, black on white, say you should get drunk. They won’t go away no matter how many times you repeat the psak YOU received.
Well, this is why I wrote that you have to understand the concept of His names… just too much for this forum, but on one foot: His name is His way of interacting with this world, He created the world with His name, the Ramban explains that the whole Torah can be rearranged to be read as Sheimos. When we say “The Name”, we are referring to “The aspect of His direction of the world he is currently revealing to us”…… I’m sure that’s not too clear, but…
computer777 – of course one’s upbringing is a big factor, but there’s plenty to learn.
The main point isn’t how to treat a spouse, but understanding marriage, and the issue’s life brings. Most young people are very naive about it.
I do agree that there are much bigger issue’s going on i the particular cases like the OP’s.
I certainly hope you’ve never been like Lot when you’re drunk 🙂
and putting yourself into a matzav of onais is very not simple
Popa – whats with mariv ?
Thank you soliek, saved me from writing all that!
And for the last point – what else ? Do you teach someone the halachos of basar b’chalav and now expect them to work as a chef ? Teach them the halachos pertaining to the medical field and expect them to know how to operate ?
What goes on is ridiculous. They’re taught some mush about the difference in gender personality, (way too generalized of course), told to be understanding, and tada! ready to get married and deal with life!
Does anyone here read each other’s posts, or just rant ?
There are plenty of Poskim who say to get drunk. Black on white. Could we please not waste time arguing about that ?
There is a definite problem with sakanah and Chilul Hashem. Could we please not try to deny what occurs in broad daylight, every year, most everywhere ?
How to go about fulfilling the mitzvah (assuming you pasken that way) while avoiding the problems ? Now that’s a good topic to discuss.
I capitalize on Shabbos to eat a lot of good food. I capitalize on Yomim Tovim to spend time with my family. I capitalize on the mitzvah to have children in order to be married etc. And I don’t even feel that guilty.
Stick to your other arguments, and don’t demand “l’shmah” from us.
I don’t know why I got hung up about “lachem”.
A women must make kiddush. As wine is not part of her usual diet, must the husband provide her with some ? I would think so. Why should this need be different ?
You want to eat a certain standard. Eid Echad says your friend is not trying to mess you up. Practically speaking, you may not be able to assume he is giving you what you usually eat. What is not clear about that ?
Lets spell out the scenario. I don’t eat hechsher x. Whether its reliable or not is irrelevant – my kashrus practice is to avoid it. Others do use it, no problem, there are differences of opinion about its reliability, kulos, or whatever. Do I know where my friend falls on this particular issue ? Very likely not, there are many hechsheirim and many halachic kulos/chumros, I don’t have extensive knowledge of my friend’s decisions in these many area’s. Therefore, I don’t know if I should eat his food.
You may be thinking that it will usually boil down to chumros, not real concerns.
1)There are many questions in halachah where despite there existing a lenient opinion, one who is strict may do so with the attitude that it is assur. It’s not a chumrah – it’s a dispute, and so the way I see it, it’s assur, and therefore I MAY NOT eat it.
2)Why should I unnecessarily give up my chumrah just to eat my friend’s cake ? (Obviously if there’s bein adam l’chaveiro involved that would make a difference.)
Very interesting.
I don’t see why Hashem would be rude. Just like “hamelech” connotes reverence, The King, so too “The name”. Of course, that assumes you understand that names of Hashem are not just ways of referring to Him….
sam2 – sorry, I just don’t think that’s true. I don’t know what my friends do or don’t eat.
Of course they’re believed that they’re not trying to give me something I wouldn’t eat – they simply don’t know.
I don’t think there is “kosher by your standards”. There are so many individual questions, as well as differences of opinion (or rumour!) about different hechsheirim, that I just don’t think his giving it to you tells you anything about whether you would want to eat it.
She receives money for her living expenses. Why is this different ?
Yes, but matzah is a question, for example.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/copying-music-redux
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/copying-music
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/copying-music-mutar-or-ossur
Wolf – your sentiments are admirable. Possibly they would be included in “v’asisa hayashar v’hatov”. It is still important to know what is the halachah and what is not.
You don’t have to be hard up not to pay for something you are not obligated to (assuming that is the case), regardless of how much you enjoy it. The fact that the artist expects compensation is not relevant if he is not entitled to it.
sam2 – I don’t see how “eid echod” applies here, and indeed in most such questions these days.
Eid Echod tells you that the person conformed with halachah.
It is clear that different people have different standards in kashrus, and have different opinions about individual hechsheirim. Even if my friend is trying to do the right thing, there is a very real possibility that he uses products/hechsheirim that I don’t use.
A women’s possesions are not owned by the husband, he just has the rights to their use.
Why is this more difficult than every mitzvah which requires “lachem” ?
And as the husband is required to give her “mezonos”, why should the ability to fulfill this mitzvah not be included ?
Now I read your last line – if you agree to that, then what was your problem in the first place ?
antikfira – It seems your reasoning should take you in the opposite direction. As you recognize that everything that happens is in accordance with ratzon Hashem, that should lead to the conclusion that He must intervene when necessary. Case in point, my previous example: do you believe you have the capability, through bechirah, to blow up the world ?
Yes, the result of our bechirah will be one with the His will; how this works we cannot understand. But this means He def. WILL intervene when necessary.
What a great book.
I am fairly conservative on such issues, but I sincerely hope this story is not being reported correctly.
gefen – we can discuss the parameters of the issue. But something which is beyond human understanding, is ASSUR to think about. Chagigah 13, see Pirush HaMishnayos there.
Toi – I agree. Was just taking issue with what bd quoted from a speaker.
Def. a tendency towards chumros. Not necessarily a good thing, and nothing to do with actual competency in Kashrus field
Why would average income tell you this? Besides the obvious subjectiveness of the term “making ends meet”.
bd – from what I understand thats not true, it simply requires a higher level of tshuvah.
On Yom Kippur we use 3 expressions of forgiveness, “kapper” means to wipe away, the meforshim explain it to mean that no trace should remain.
I would guess that he meant it in a more practical way, like things in his brain or things he saw. More complicated, but there too I don’t think its justified.
147 – and in light of the fact that 99.99% of people whose Torah knowledge I respect (and I would imagine most of those you do too)don’t worry about this, one would wonder about the slight possibility that this is not necessary…
Thank you yitayningwut. One post, and you’ve effectively answered 50% of the threads in here!
yichusdik – Mesechta Horios is about Beis Din making a mistake. It is clear there that you must be of a certain level to have the right to argue. By arguing, I mean whether you should follow your opinion, not just “think so”.
In Rishonim’s discussion of “Lo Sasur”, many express the idea of the need to listen to the main authority despite the awareness that sometimes they will err.
Oh. In which case my post wasn’t just condescending, but insulting. I guess I’m sorry, but yes, I think it’s an immature debate. The dangers of exposure are clear, the demand on the one not exposing is very difficult – to create an excitement within the system capable of lessening the urge to sneak. Clearly there is no one formula, and no one right way. As yitayningwut has already posted.
bd – we believe in teshuva. After that, a neshama does not remain with garbage, traces or otherwise. (‘course, that depends on level of teshuva)
sam2 – huh ? we’re not more logical than the rishonim – and therefore what ? Do you learn ? When we learn, we question what the rishonim say – and then try to gain deeper understanding.
My point about sources was just that – when you see something from a rishon, it can cause you to shut down you’re thinking and just accept it, without realizing that your understanding may be superficial, and there are difficulties you haven’t dealt with.
As I wrote earlier, according to what we understand, the idea that you can do something contrary to G-d’s will just doesn’t make sense. And indeed, I quoted R’ Dessler as one who refused to take this at face value, and offered an interpretation.
Oh, to be a teen again and think that there really is only one right way to approach life’s issues…
IMO, what it boils down to –
Facing adversity can strengthen you.
Do you risk it ?
The Gr”a asked the Dubno Maggid to give him mussar. He told him: You’re the Gr”a, big “kuntz”. You stay secluded in your room all day learning. What would you be like in the world outside ? The Gr”a began to cry. Afterwards, however, he turned to him and said: “Ich bin nisht ah kuntz macher”, meaning, we have to do the right thing, not be an “oiber chacham”.
The previous point about tzadik ben tzadik remains, however.
That story is def. classic Reb Shloime,
The greater the person, the more they pay attention to the small details of another’s life.
Wolf – I didn’t write the complete quote. He is working with the assumption that there was no common agreement among the different civilizations.
Another point – preglobalization, why should any one system win out at all ?
sam2 – I think we get too caught up with the sources. Is there any way you can understand the ability to affect others with your bechirah ? Isn’t gefen right – why should it be different than anything else, where we understand that Hashem interferes with what goes on if He wants it otherwise ?
Rav Dessler deals with these sources, and explains how it can be so, and still make sense. (sorry, just don’t have time/patience to properly express his ideas)
Ok, so now we all agree that Hashem may or may not intervene. We are now discussing whether one affected by another’s bechirah must have been so deserving.
Discussed at length by Rav Dessler. Discussion usually centers around the Ohr Hachayim’s comment in Mikeitz that Reuvein wanted them to throw Yosef in the pit, because then he wouldn’t be subject to the brothers’ bechirah.
I’ll just sit back and listen to you two debating this based on your “boich”.
yichusdik – bypassing your main point, I will just point out that there is a difference between the knowledge that Gedolim are not infallible, and the ability to contradict.
I only quote. He says that from China to the Western Islands, everyone agrees to a 7 day week. He also uses the universal counting by tens.