Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
@Spreadthetruth- First of all anti israel is the new excuse for anti semitism. Secondly I agree that Israel is the cause for anti semitism since there was never any anti semitism before the state of Israel was created so I guess youre right on that one.
You also cant compare immediate dangers to potential dangers. The fear is that it doesnt spiral out of control and then would be an even greater danger than just an arab trying to kill you it would be a whole different level even though we all know by now how safe you feel living in a land of goyim who are doing you a favor.@spreadthetruth-“common sense and a basic understanding of how the world works tells you that having millions of Jews concentrated in one area, surrounded by enemies that want to kill Jews”
-exactly and we’ve seen it throughout our history, btw noone ever believed it could happen in germany
Besides Hashem would not ever let obliteration of his land why would he ever do that? It has never happened throughout the Torah and it is the land HE promised to his children since Avraham Avinu. Wouldnt make much sense anymore if the land was wiped off the face of the earth.
Also you speak of escaping an atomic bomb. Does that even make sense in your mind? How far would anyone get with a ten minute warning would they be able to prepare,get to the airport and take off somewhere? How far would anyone get..what a joke
As if it even mattered if there was a place to escape to.@Spreadthetruth- Are you guys nuts? Im not spreading any propaganda I dont live in Israel and dont have an agenda to tell everyone to move there. As you can tell by my comments never mentioned any of that. Why do you feel you are so safe amongst the goyim in their land? THAT is where the false sense of security is not in Israel. Again Israel currently is also golus but at least it is the land where no one can “rightfully” say that you don’t belong. Anywhere else they can. If there was a war, Israel has an army of Jews that wants to protect other Jews. That is the least we can do. In America or anywhere else it is a non jewish army many who might have negative feelings towards Jews and might not want to protect Jews in the streets from Goyishe riots and violence against Jews in case of anti Semitism. And then where will you escape to? Will you have a choice?
Stop with the victimized helpless attitude of relying on living in goyishe lands where you feel protected. Of course we appreciate every moment of freedom but stop acting like someone is promising you that without change! Throughout the years we have been brutally beaten and killed, kicked out and almost exterminated out of all the lands in which were considered empires and in which we had much success in. This cause jealousy and fear against the Yidden which led to that outcome aside from “gezeiros fin shamayim.” Just look at the PRESENT day Europe and England look at the rise of anti-Semitism, look here in the United States of America where swastikas are freely appearing everywhere, homes, college campuses, shuls all the more frequently and with no fear of consequence. You are talking like a blind sheep being led to the slaughterhouse if you feel safe in a goyishe land without fear or even a chance that it might change.Are you serious? Israel is the final destination of the Jewish people there is nowhere else to escape to. You think if there would be nuclear war in Israel no other country would be involved in the war somehow? The real question is how safe the Jews are all over the world if world war broke out.
@little froggie- Nice observation except that if/when this ever gets to chabad webites and social media, they will use all of this against the Yiddishe Velt and claim “HATERS OF LUBAVITCH” “Everyone hates us till this day!” “WE ARE VICTIMS”. “Here is the Proof!”
So really you just cant win.
@5ish-“This would be no different than saying someone who did not learn a blat gemarah, or a perek mesilas yesharim, or a X Y or Z will be jealous of someone who did.”
Actually it is very different because thats not what was said. If a litvisher would say something about a chabad Rebbe you would not handle it as “calmly” as in this case. It brings you great pleasure to hear such things and to belittle Litvish Gedoilim. In fact the “chossid” who said this said that “he would be jealous of a LITTLE BOY”!
You are only making matters worse how can you dare say that a little boy who knows nothing but introduced to tanya is already on the same level as a FULL GROWN TZADDIK!
All you chabadsters are talking like the tanya is a new TORAH! Its all based on pre-existing Torah and Kaballah which btw Yidden and Tzaddikim have learned throughout the ages. Why do you spew out such hatred towards other Yidden in the name of your tanya? You are doing the opposite kavana of whom wrote it and in fact making people not want to learn it when you degrade even ones Gadol comparing his greatness to some little boy who knows nothing of torah or even life experience but was “introduced to tanya”
Gedoilim were versed in all nigleh and nistar which would include what the tanya is about since it comes from the same Torah. Absolutely despicable.
And stop giving examples of Gedoilim who had respect for the Rebbe. What does that even prove? Does the fact that they had respect for the Rebbe one of your “proofs” that they secretly admitted that they are wrong and that everyone should become lubavitch? What fantasy world do you live in! Many Tzaddikim respected the Rebbe and the Rebbe also respected Tzaddikim outside of chabad.
Everyone had their Gedoilim and Rebbes its only chabad that choose to not quit about “showing off” and putting things in your face about how “great” they are or about how “holier” they are from everyone else.
You meet any Yid Samar,Livish,Belz, Chassidish non chassidish, boro parker, flatbush, queens, lakewood,monsey and so on, you get along right away. You meet a “lubavitcher”, its right away my Rebbe is better than yours and tanya tanya tanya. You have no Torah I have Torah. “You are afraid by Rosh Hashana we arent we crown Hashem, you are scared if you sin we arent the only thing that matters to us is whether we hurt Hashem or not which is scarier to us than if we sinned.” And yes I heard this straight from the mouths of lubavitchers including “shluchim” in my conversations. Stop it already, you and then you ask why there is conflict between you and everyone else. Dont you realize? You are causing it!I still dont understand how you guys (lubavitchers) are still playing the underdog and using the “everyone hates us”. How can anyone even take you seriously or have any repect for you when all you have done all these years was to bash litvishe and chassidishe Gedoilim. Saying things about the Chazon Ish things like jealous of a little boy learning tanya in tomchei temimim lubavitch? How dare you! Look at pictures of the heilige Tzaddikim and you will be sitting in awe! The GR”A, Chazon Ish, the Chofetz Chaim, the Stiepler Gaon, Chasam Sofer, Rav Aron Kotler, the Brisker Rav just to name a few. You will bite your tongue for saying such stupidity. You think any of these undisputed Tzaddikim and Gedolei Hador who were versed in ALL TORAH nigleh and nistar, (which even Chabad Rebbes recognized as Gedolei Hador) would be jealous of a kid? This is just truly shameful. If anyone would criticize chabad rebbeim you would go ballistic but you freely say what you want about others who are on an infinite higher level than you will ever be.
To tell another Yid who does not follow chabad that if he hasnt learned tanya then his Torah is basically meaningless?
This whole thread we are seeing so many excuses and answers for literally everything, even if it means twisting things in order to get your way, including taking the Rebbes words out of context and applying them to your defense when it suits you. And when it doesnt you simply ignore or manipulate it in order for it wo work out for you.
You claim that everyone is a chabad hater when you disrespect everyone freely including their Gedolei Hador. Enough of all these excuses just accept that chabad lubavitch are not the only Yidden in the WORLD! In fact they are a tiny minority. And the only reason you think that only chabad does good or that they dominate is simply due to your close mindedness and constantly making news out of any chabadnick who makes a peep. Ever heard of Satmar Bikur Choilim? Show me something similiar in chabad. Ever heard of Tomchei Shabbos in the Litvishe World? Ever heard of any organization that does 100 times more than Chabad? Obviously you havent because that would be impossible right?
The litvishe and chassidish world have no hatred towards chabad so stop thinking that we are all sitting talking about you nonstop as if we have nothing better to do!
This whole topic/thread only brought out how much more arrogant you are than everyone previously knew.Im not sure where the minhag comes from but why does chabad refrain from learning Torah on nittel?(xmas) for several hours(Until chatzois)?
I know they say not to give chayus to J**** but wasnt he not even born on december 25th? I dont think non jews even know for sure what date but definitely nowhere near that date. Isnt it just a celebration and not the actual birthdate?
Honestly asking@sechelhayashar- “What a respectful way to talk to a woman. Or any person.”
Stop giving an excuse that chabadshlucha is a woman. Everyone has an equal opportunity to speak and is treated as such man/woman. Besides she is obviously not in this alone. She already stated at least once that she asked her husband and he could/couldnt find an answer. We arent dumb she isnt fighting alone so stop using the woman card whenever you feel she is outmatched.
@770chabad-“Looking at a Rebbe picture before daavening each morning add more chayis to your day and strengthens your yiddishkeit and chassiddishkeit.
Also drawing pictures of tzaddikim helps”.My Answer-uh, wow? Why before davening shouldnt it be as soon as your saying modei Ani? Or while your saying it? Also do you need to be an artist or can anyone just draw pictures of tzaddikim?
Also seems your fellow lubavitcher told you to hush about those chabad secrets and not share them on this site. So thanks for letting out a chabad secret.
^Doesnt the “Yaakov lo meis” pasuk go on to say “כשם שזרעו בחיים כך הוא בחיים”?
Isnt that spiritual and can go for any gadol? And even if it means physical or that you believe so, whats the difference? Does anyone even know what it means when someone leaves the world but is really in this world in a physical body? Im sure most people arent on the level that it would make any difference to them.In general I honestly dont blame lubavitchers for being so close minded. I recently saw on their site that some “chabad” chazzan will be singing/chazzening at the lincoln square synagogue. This makes everyone think that he is the only chazzon there and its always chabad on top.
Every time some politician meets with chabad then suddenly “friend of lubavitch!” “hes the best vote for him!” They chant. “KIDDUSH CHABAD KIDDUSH LUBAVITCH!!”
What about all the non chabad chazzanim that are elected for shuls? What about all the politicians who meet with non chabad are they now all friends of satmar,litvishe,belz,brisk,spinka,breslov,vishnitz,gur etc.?
Deblasio went to a chasuna in boro park. WOW hes a friend of boro park chasiddim!When you are constantly fed news about yourself which is portrayed as significant and unique to you(chabad) you think you have conquered the world and own it. Every time something good happens and a chabadnick is involved they point it out regardless of if the same happened involving 20 litvishers.
A lubavitch doctor, a chabad chazzon, a shliach, Oh the MAGIC OF CHABAD!
When its a litvish doctor, chazzon, Rabbi or anything, it doesnt even make it to the news sites since in the litvish or chassidish world outside chabad, not everything is a big deal.When it comes to lubavitch if ever there is controversy with (recently)taking down a shul to put up a high rise building INCLUDING a shul by non chabad developers, they only jump up and down since some time ago there was a lubavitcher who was acting as rabbi of this old shul, which no lubavitcher ever davens in. (look up the article im just stating a brief example)
I just wish they would care about these things even if had zero connection to lubavitchers. (In this case a very remote connection)
But then again if it has nothing to do with chabad, its not their problem. But when it has to do with chabad, its everyones problem and why doesnt anyone care about us? MISNAGDIM! ANTI CHABAD! They shout…“I am disgusted at your referring to Harav Again R Moshe Feinstein zt”l without the title Rav let alone a proper honorific. Ditto Harav Mordechai Eliyohu. I’d like to believe it was an error, except you repeated this gross error twice in the same post”.
—sadly that was no typo that’s why it was repeated, lubavitchers don’t address rabbis outside of chabad as title “Rabbi”. They just say their name, I mean after all…@chasid- thats always everyones excuse that col does not speak the mind of lubavitchers. In fact what they post seems pretty on par with lubavitchers mindsets, and if thats not enough to convince you, the peoples comments on colive prove it.
Dont try to twist this on to the rest of us. It is a known fact that chabad care about noone but themselves unless they have some sort of involvement in the matter. Just like when some developers tried taking down a shul to build a complex which also included a shul, all of chabad jumped up to yell about it and only because some time ago some lubavitcher may have davened there for a shabbos so they claimed it as a lubavitch shul. The shul has not been used for years and no lubavitcher davens there(boro park). They would never care otherwise and never have in the past.People are upset only because of the fact that suddenly lubavitch make it seem they care about the outside world, when everyone knows its only because a lubavitcher was involved. Funny how the litvish world doesnt go on bragging about every lubavicher they ever assisted.
And dont worry we have been saying Tehillim long before collive published, since WE actually do care and are concerned. WE didnt have to wait for any approval on your side.@770 chabad- Really? Then why wasnt Tehillim ever posted on collive when a chabad doctor wasnt involved?
Answer is: chabad only cares when/if they have some involvement in the matter, so they can be “mefarsem” their “greatness”. Not at all because they care for any other Gedoilim outside chabad. And the proof is that whenever there was Tehillim posted on YWN, it wasnt on colive. So dont suddenly act like you always care for Rabbis outside of chabad.*Modified for YWN forum, just looking to get answers for these important questions
The stories of not trading his gehinnom for misnagdims gan eden, or that our trash is better than their gold when it comes to shidduchim( meaning better the worst ubavitcher than the best quality litvishe), and all other bogus pep stories comparing how much “better” chabad is than everyone else, just shows the mindset of these people and quite frankly I can understand why everyone is disgusted by it.And you know what whatever happened in the past happened but lubavitchers will not stop holding a grudge and play the “race” card every chance they get. And it is known that even the Tzemach Tzedek one of the Rebbes in Lubavitch, said that it is a good thing for the misnagdim since they balanced out the situation and without them chassidim wouldve went too far astray and out of control.
@sechelhayashar- You accused me of looking at some site which I have no clue what you are talking about, but anyway everything I say is from personal experience, from hearing people around me, asking questions etc, as I said unfortunately Ive spent a few long years in crown heights. So you cannot fool me with your sugar coating stories and excuses.
Which brings me back to my original point, you said that many people rely on their own shechita, I clearly stated that in my original post, and I said the reason it bothers me with chabad is that they will straight up tell you that only a lubavitcher who learns tanya is a trusted shoichet and knows a kosher shechita. That means that all others are treif in their eyes.
Also you complain about others not eating lubavitch shechita at shluchim? Wow talk about a double standard. You always expect others to follow your minhagim,niggunim,kashrus,and halachos but never chas vsholom the other way around. How many times do I have to repeat that until you will stop denying it? It is a fact and you only strengthen our opinion by confirming that you think that way.
Lastly you mentioned something about a donation that shluchim dont want? Oh believe me you dont know shlichus, they are not looking to do this for free. They need to live and have expenses of course they want and expect donations. And who does chabad go to for donations? Yes you guessed it, to Satmar, to non frums, to sepharadim, and yes to LITVISH communities. Suddenly when it comes to money they dont discriminate. And then you see people complain if outsiders open business in crown heights because they assume that “they wont support chabad moidos”. Need I say more?And chabadshlucha- You menioned the Rebbe “waiving on” the singing of Yechi in the late years.
I specifically mentioned what happens today when they sing Yechi to the Rebbes chair in the MIDDLE of lecha dodi! No i certainly dont think theyd get waived on and they would never even do it in the first place if the Rebbe was standing in front of them. And you dont get my point? “the Rebbe scolded about people looking at him during davening”. You asked how is that the same as singing to him in lecha dodi. Really? Well if they shouldnt look at the Rebbe while davening to Hashem, why would the Rebbe approve them SINGING to the Rebbe in the middle of davening! I was being very specific getting my point across, but as usual you ignore and whitewash what you dont like and focus on what you want.
Why isnt there anyone else in the frum world trying to prove to everyone that they are better? I just dont get it. And no chabadsters, its not because they dont think they are.@sechelhayashar- The sad part is that in a way you do feel that everyone needs to become lubavitch. How many times do you say that a person cant learn true Torah unless he learns tanya? Ive heard it countless times.
Or that “the litvish have so much fear by rosh hashana, but we, oh we are fortunate enough to have the tanya, and we love Hashem, we understand it all and we dont fear”
You feel that a person isnt 100% frum unless he is by the derech of chabad. If you would just accept that everyone has their own way then there would not be an issue and there would be no comments about it. And yes you do shove it down everyones throat since you feel a need to make frum people closer to chabad.
You will not even eat Glatt Kosher Mehadrin meat unless it is lubavitch shechita, because you believe only a lubavitcher who learns tanya can shecht properly in a kosher manner.
So explain to me because I may be wrong, how is that not feeling superior to others? Was all the meat treif for thousands of years until chabad came along with the wisdom of kosher shechting?@Sechel HaYashar- Another excuse for that letter is that they say they dont know what the sender wrote so maybe it was just a personal answer to him and not in general.
Funny how they always decide if answers to letters were to the general public or just to the individual sender based on what works best for them.@Sechel HaYashar- They claim, you have to understand what that response meant. Also some question if that letter existed as a coverup.
Sorry guys past 2 comments werent displayed because someone here is biased and are afraid of someone asking chabadster commentors questions they might not be able to answer
No, they were deleted because the tone and language were disrespectful and inappropriate.
@chabadshlucha
Or should I say chabadSHLIACH since it’s quite obvious you are getting information from elsewhere, or rather your husband took over for you completely. You almost had us fooled as how much more knowledgeable in Torah you lubavitch woman are than the rest of us, but that’s not my point.Just wanted to sincerely ask as someone who knows a lot about chabad and has spent unfortunately too much time in crown heights, why is it ok to stop in middle of davening kabbalas shabbos to Hashem, in the middle of lecha Dodi, to start jumping up and down fervently and sing yechi adoneinu for TEN minutes at the top of your lungs towards the Rebbes chair in 770!
Quite honestly would you do that if you truly saw the Rebbe in front of you? Do you think he would wave you on?
I don’t care that it’s meschichist tzfatim, this goes over the line and it’s happening in front of your eyes.
The Rebbe at one point even scolded people looking at him during davening and was very emotional about it.
And you dare to pull this off in middle of davening!I’m not sure if anyone is expecting to learn anything new here but in case you haven’t understood yet, one thing you should’ve learned by now is that there are answers for everything…
You are asking questions to someone who believes in something specific. You will only get answers based on what they believe.
Anyway the issue isn’t whether the Rebbe is Moshiach or not we will know when Moshiach comes. Besides didn’t the Rebbe deny in a few instances? Such as there was a reporter who asked questions of when the Rebbe is coming to Israel, and when being given an answer of “when Moshiach comes” she said you are Moshiach. So the Rebbe said I am not. Also the letter that was sent to the Rebbe addressed as Moshiach and it was not accepted as the sender thought it would be?
How about the time when some kfar chabad wanted to write a piece of Rebbe is Moshiach, didn’t Rebbe say something about them taking a knife to
And a few more instances I think you can check Telushkins book or online. Did these things happen? I am only stating what I read or heard.
Lubavitchers hated the end to Telushkins book btw I definitely heard that firsthand.And besides for that the only problem is that due to all this lubavitchers raise their head way high and are “mezalzel” towards everyone else.
You have nice things that you do? Great. Also many others do great things. But don’t spoil it by looking down upon others and lecturing others when you have things to fix as well, and probably not better than any other groups of Yidden.
And if anyone learns Tanya don’t be like ” see they don’t believe their own books and want to get closer to chabad”. That’s pretty low. They aren’t trying to get closer to chabad they are only learning Torah. Your welcome to learn any works of Torah as well it’s just you consider it assur. You are also not expected to sing other’s niggunim, but you expect everyone to sing yours since only others can appreciate your minhagim, but never Chas v’shalom the other way around.
That’s what really irks me. And many others too.What did you expect? Only when it has something to do with chabad then they post it. They don’t care about other gedoilim outside chabad.
And for the record YWN always posts chabad stories and news from all over and sometimes they even over do it as if they are a chabad site.
Absolutely disgusting how they write out all the details. But to them everyone is bad unless you prove to them that you “like” chabad. No other circle of Yidden does someone hate another yid unless they say something nice about them to prove they aren’t against them!Soon they will say chabad saved everyone. When litvishe doctors help lubavitchers it’s covered up by chabad so noone will know. But if they ever do something good they won’t stop rubbing it in your face.
What an arrogant bunch! They give everyone mussar about achdus? They have no achdus they should be ashamed of themselves. This is not what the Rebbe taught them they only bring up the Rebbe when it suits them to win an argument.
The dispute has to do with who controls 770. Meshichists or the antis. There had even been a plaque by the cornerstone at the entrance that had the Rebbes name with zy”a but some “angels” destroyed it so now it doesn’t say that anymore.
Basically the ones who were left in charge of chabad/770 is merkos led by Yehuda Krinsky who is one of the latest of the Rebbes secretaries. But of course the majority only follow the Rebbes instructions when they see fit, and they just could not accept that order which came straight from the Rebbe himself. Aside for other documents which were made to disappear.
In general there is a lot of confusion in Crown Heights and the BT’s get hit the worst and also become most extreme whether it’s becoming ultra meshichist or “super chabad” and can’t stop talking about misnagdim and that lubavitchers are such victims. But hey, we all have our flaws….when I say we I mean everyone but chabad obviously.Sechel HaYashar-“Although, I’m pretty certain that many Chabad women are more knowledgeable in Torah than other frum woman, as the Rebbe zy”a was very insistent on woman learning Torah, even Gemara.”
Oh so its not only the chabad men, but also the chabad women who are superior to all other (“regular” non chabad) women. I rest my case. Disgusting.
Chabad shlicha- so you don’t have time to learn any other seforim and yet you still insist everyone should learn yours. Very well. Also you say you don’t mean that it’s the only thing people should learn, you and many others demonstrate otherwise.
Gadolhadorah- I think you should stay out of arguments on topics you know nothing about. I don’t know if your some sort of chabad BT or chabad friendly but here’s the truth and sorry if this comes as a shock to you. You write “mamash fighting among themselves for control of a particular shul in Monsey, in the civil courts for control of the assets of the chassidus (not that anyone really would fight over 770)”
Really? Noone would ever fight for control over 770! Get on their websites or speak to any lubavitchers. There is a court case going on as we speak for control of 770! And not everything has to be violent to be considered the worst. It is quite known that after the Rebbe there were 2 wills and one of the wills was never to be found since some people made sure it disappeared. That is worse than violence. Talk about chutzpah and to your own Rebbe by your own chassidim! There is a lot more than you think going on behind the scenes even though you are not aware. Ask any lubavitcher they know. Also they had violence when bochurim took control of one of the mikvas in crown heights and there was even egg throwing in 770 during davening shomeh esreh it’s on YouTube. Sorry for the many things they don’t tell you there. Much violence between”tzfatim meshichist” and antis. Daily even.
Besides just because peleg or whoever act violently doesn’t mean everyone but chabad is responsible for their actions. Most places Lakewood,Monsey,boro park,flatbush,queens,Baltimore and so on get along just fine. THe unfairness is that chabad/crown heights is one tiny community and you compare one community to many others and treat them as a whole.Chabad vs the rest of the Velt. That’s the main issue this thread is discussing.
“it’s just that there is so much going on within Lubavitch that we have our heads full keeping up with that” -chabadshlucha
Wow what an arrogant statement. You have so much to do in the “Great world of lubavitch” that you just don’t have time or a need to quote other Gedolei Yisrael. But you do have time to preach to all the “bored” litvishers who have nothing to do in their meaningless non-chabad lives, and to convince them to learn your seforim/hashkafa and quote your rebbeim. I find that pretty interesting. You gave yourself away pretty quick revealing your true mindset.
Oh and you go on “I would probably never quote R’ Elyashiv, not because I don’t think he’s great, I’m sure he is, and I know he’s a major figure in the litvishe world, but I’m still trying to keep up with saying my daily Chitas (portions of Chumash Tehillim and Tanya) and learning a sicha and or maamar of the Rebbe several times a week, which doesn’t leave me time to look into other things.”
Interesting. Nice to know that you don’t have time to waste with other tzaddikims work, Chofetz Chaim, GR”A, Chasam Sofer, Chazon Ish just to name a few. Do you think that the rest of the oilam DON’T DO ANYTHING? We learn all day without needing your suggestions that we should learn your seforim as well! But that you always make time for. So just as you don’t and never will name or quote a Gadol Hador a Tzaddik from outside of lubavitch, don’t expect us to do any different. And then you rant about how artscroll doesn’t mention chabad rebbeim. Maybe it’s because they don’t have “time” to look into chabad teachings. Sound familiar? Stop trying to fool everyone on this forum and elsewhere in the world. I have lived in crown heights for many years and I know both sides. I know chabad inside and out. Even some within chabad will admit the problem with the superiority outlook. Very few though. But people like you will always defend no matter what in order to fool everyone and always act as a victim. I know it’s easiest to blame everything on others. See everyone hates chabad! You will shout. Get over it noone has time to even think about you for good or the bad.
Has anyone heard of 70 panim L’Torah? Yes even lubavs should accept this as hard as it is, rather than forcing everyone and trying to persuade them to get “close” to chabad since their understanding is the only “true Torah”. Only then there will be no more arguments. It can be a beautiful thing where everyone has there own minhag but can also embrace each others as it’s always been. Unfortunately some feel a need to put the rest of the oilam down and try to prove how much everyone is wrong about everything. Try sitting at a shabbos table or farbrengen in crown heights without hearing the word “misnagdim” come up. You’ll lose count. I have been many many times. That is one thing you won’t see anywhere else, noone exhausts themselves at such great lengths to show others that they are “superior”. I wait for the day when I can talk to a chabadnick without them trying to convince me to “convert” to their derech.
Lol the ignorance and naive nature of these comments are just too amusing. Talking about “bashland”? Just go to one of the chabad sites or crown heights websites to be more specific, and then see what real bashing is coming from them.
Also check out that other community that extended from park slope. You can use that as a guideline to how much chabad loves everyone else.And to gadolhadorah- oh ya the kinnus was just wonderful, when is the other one? Oh you didn’t know about the other ? Ya there’s a separate one for the “antis” and “meshichist”. What a disgrace. Even the so called “shluchim” don’t get along amongst themselves. But then they lecture the litvish oilam or rest of anyone who isn’t chabad, about achdus. Go figure.
To be honest I don’t care about their politics but stop going out to everyone and trying to show how much “better” you re then everyone else
Gadolhadorah- you obviously are not knowledgeable enough in the matter. Shlichus became a celebrity status. Its a great benefit to show compassion and an open ear to a vulnerable non frum person, and then receive a 2 million dollar donation from them to build yourself a huge shul/building and get your name out there.
On another note, reviewing the other knowledgeable comments here, it is quite interesting how everyone gets along with each other, but chabad keep to themselves, not even letting their kids play with the non chabad kids on the block when they live amongst other Yidden.(Litvishe)
And then they complain about how the whole world “hates” them and criticizes them. Id like to know what kind of he**storm would be raised if a Young Israel would try to open up in crown heights. Ya, but its always ok for chabad houses to open up in the most litvish of areas. Ya, even in Lakewood.
Yet its everyone else who “hates” chabad, not the other way around.
Sometimes I almost go as far as getting upset when I hear and see how much respect people give to chabad, and I think in my heart if only they knew how much Lubavitchers look down upon them.
I know the deal firsthand. Its a real shame.
And it hurts me to write this but I cannot take these coverups.From someone who knows the system very well, “outoftowner” is right. Unfortunately the gezhe does show how much they adore the baalei teshuva that they haul in. Up to a point that it. Just make sure you stay far away from our kids when it comes to marriage. No matter how frum you became.