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@Midwest2-“I agree with all those who mention all the advances in health and sanitation, that save lives every day.”

-As I mentioned earlier, any medical advances are undebatably important for our every day lives. So I refrain from mentioning them as they are an obvious given. No doubt that life was much harder to deal with in earlier generations due to conditions that got out of hand which nowadays are considered “simple” since there are medicines to combat them. Although in earlier generations they did have their ways of treating sicknesses, and especially can be seen by the Rambam’s vast knowledge and medicines. Many of these herbal medicines are forgotten but probably a lot are just evolved and used in different artificial forms such as pills and liquids which carry side effects as well. From what I understand many medical universities mention and learn the Rambams methods as part of the course.

“This is a great thread and the responses are funny and thought-provoking at the same time.”

-ha,yep

@redleg- lokshen?

Backup cameras…..so many less bumper knocks. Surprised how accurate it really is. Literally to the last centimeter.

@RBS_gimmel- Anytime

Time, changed the world a lot. Clocks, watches the ability to tell time. That’s probably one of the biggest things that shaped up the world.

Winnie-eyeglasses are more medical inventions. Anything that helps a person’s health is like oxygen so it’s more of a necessity since it is so crucial.
It’s a good point did people suffer less medically in the past than nowadays? Im not too sure about that.

DovidBT “How did people manage without food wraps? E.g., plastic wrap, wax paper, aluminum foil.

Did they use leaves or animal skins?”

-Are food wraps really that important? Probably one of the easiest things to live without. Besides most of those things are only needed due to other inventions such as oven, fridge, stovetop etc.

facebook? More Good or more Bad?

Is this brought up anywhere?

The nusach by Chasam Sofer was ashkenaz but I think he himself davenes from an Arizal siddur. He learned kaballah from Rabbi Nosson Adler.

Was the Arizal half sefardi from the mother side? But what difference if he was ashkenaz or sephardi? His nusach is based on kaballah isn’t it?

Laskern-Do you mean “Sefard” or “Sefaradi”? 2 different things. Many Ashkenaz or Chassidish daven sefard. Sefardim daven Sefaradi or Edot Hamizrach.

Didnt the Chasam Sofer daven from an Arizal siddur?

Also if we are always thinking about the Beis Hamikdash and trying to do things to get closer to it, how come the nusach was changed since then? Wouldnt that be the best way to daven since it was in the times of the Bayis actually standing? Or did we need to add to and change the words around in order so that this Beis Hamikdash would never be destroyed? Im half kidding.

Avram- it’s not 5 pages extra. Somehow all other siddurim managed to squeeze it in right before aleinu without any issue. In face it’s usually separated on the bottom half of the page or uses up just one full page.

Flipping one page is much easier than 100. I know that they may have wanted to make a special section for motzei shabbos, but also including it in maariv as well would not have made the siddur that much thicker. If that’s too much they could also take out ashrei in mincha and just force everyone to flip to the ashrei in shacharis. No need to waste pages with duplicates.

Avi, I know why airlines have weight limits, they claim safety issues. How dome then when you pay extra it suddenly becomes safe again to add more weight to the plane? I guess money IS magic.

Secondly I never said being early in Israel airport would make any difference. If they charge you when your last to board, for sure they would charge when there are still a lot of people to check in. I was jus pointing out that even when your flight is about to leave, they still hold you up and play games.

And I guess your right, when you already paying over 1000 dollars for a ticket, what’s anothr $300 to throw into the trash over nothing right?
Besides how does it make sense that extra 4 kilo or 8-10 lbs is $300 but a whole nother suitcase is half of that? Go figure.

Going out of New Yorks JFK there is almost never an issue. Ive had some overweight and they usually dont care and if they do you can easily persuade them to let it through (long distance flights). This is never the case in Israel. A few extra pounds equate to $200-$300 are you serious? Even if you are late for your flight and the last one to board they will just not let it go. In NY it usually works to your advantage to be the last one at the counter they usually just take your bags and get you on the flight as fast as they can, no time for games. Many times they’ll even check in your carry on so you dont need the shlep it on the plane. Im not saying you should always be late just generally speaking.
Its especially annoying when israelis try to charge you up to space on extra weight and then when you get on the flight you see that its half empty. Is that the definition of hard time or what?
It just ruins your whole trip and flight back while you leave Israel remembering that last ugly experience and the rudeness you had to deal with. What a shame.

uh ya Avi K Im pretty sure i dont.
Its a known fact that many israeli government offices are hard headed, so not sure what you were referring to. I have many friends who have had to deal with them and I myself once almost missed an elal flight coming back to ny since the israeli “supervisor” decided to charge me $300 for 7lbs overweight or not get on the flight. Obviously I didnt pay the bizarre fee of $300 and had to make a scene in order to get on the flight (thats their way of communicating). Of course he tried taking advantage since I am American and he thought i was a “fraier” as the israelis call it. So maybe come to ny and ask each and every one of us mechilla for falsely accusing someone.

For Visa not at all. I think they sometimes stamp you a 3 month visa which is probably not at all a problem to extend aside for their foolish fees.

Draft- were you sent a letter for joining army? If you live in America its usually not a problem to visit Israel. If you plan to move there its different. But even visiting can sometimes be a hassle (Israelis love giving a hard time)so best is just to get a “ptor” from the consul stating you live in US.

Original tefillos maybe referring to times of Beis Hamikdash when there was a more established structure to davening. From what I understand though, it’s nusach Ashkenaz which most resembles it and dates back closest to Bayis Shayni

So what would be the most “accurate” siddur nowadays or closest to the original tefillos?

Mutche- check their website again, the new law is they issue adult passports for 5 years only and then needs to be renewed.
Secondly as an Israeli you have to pay more taxes on renting a vehicle. I am referring to visiting Israel. If you only have an American you save yourself the extra tax I forgot which one it is.
By maintaining passports I meant having to renew every certain amount of years meaning trips to consul and mailing aside for paying unnecessary fees for something you don’t really need(Israeli) or which actually causes problems.
Especially with the Israeli laws constantly being made up on the spot at their convenience.

I’m applying all this to an American citizen living in US. Obviously living in israel an Israeli citizenship/passport has benefits. And even if citizenship doesn’t require a passport, you most likely will travel sooner or later. Besides I think if you make Aliyah they require you to get an Israeli passport.

Does anyone have any idea who composed these siddurim? Is it discussed anywhere? Was it any of the Rishonim, Achronim?