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Wow Avi K I’m surprised your comment went through. I don’t even get close to that and my comments get deleted lol.
Besides yitzyk brings up a good point regarding if it keeps you from sinning. When Yosef hatzaddik was in the midst of a great nisayon, it says he saw an image of his father which stopped him from proceeding. So obviously these things have an affect on us. The only thing is by Yosef it was an image that he saw probably ruach hakodesh or even if it is an image in the mind which is more likely for regular people. But again how can והיו עיניך only apply suddenly to a generation that has pictures, how would it apply to the past thousands of generations that didn’t? Maybe עיניך isn’t literal and can mean the image in your mind? I mean if it’s a Rabbi that you never seen and there are no pictures of them, you would have to imagine how he looked like anyway right? Rashi, Moshe Rabbeinu etc. Maybe it doesn’t even mean how they physically looked but of their essence?
Also when it comes to pictures it’s one thing to have a picture on the wall to remind you but to start carrying around and take it out every time you are in a situation that you need to daven for, it can become a little tricky.
@-29 when I reposted I did not “rehash” anything so nothing was missing it wasn’t just a feeling that something was missing. I think your confusing the previous post with the latest post which had no links. Besides if I give you sources and links I’m not sure what you gain by censoring the truth unless you are owned by one of their websites and are scared of them which is what seems to be the case. Good job feeding into their agenda. When there are problems there is a need to point things out, you allow worse comments to go through which half of them aren’t even true and are only brought upon by hate. But when someone actually points out negative truths with sources to back it up you censor them. Interesting. -29 you seem to be very biased and also trying to frame people to look bad by putting in you false “edit” comments in green or any other color. Way to go does it make you feel big about yourself? Nice.
There was no link, I took out some hateful comments so that I wouldn’t have to delete the whole post. The “negative truths” are not what are being edited, the accompanying hateful commentary that accompany them are not postable. Feel free to stick to objectivity if you would like your posts posted. Otherwise continue ignoring all the warnings you continue to get and they will just be deleted. (I used orange because it definitely makes me feel bigger than green) – 29
@coffeeaddict- yes but not only, there are other rabbis that they use that term about (BMG past and present generation) and others, ch”v and it is shocking how casually they say it and with such a belief that they feel they are doing a mitzvah by saying that about litvish gedoilim. But it seems ywn agrees with them is anyone missing something here? Why would I mention this if it didn’t bother me? Is this accepted by anyone besides that group to say such horrific things about big Rabbonim? Especially when you orrwch to the world about how much you “accept” everyone? Ywn if your think this causes strife I suggest you look elsewhere to compare. And if it doesn’t bother you how people talk about tzaddikim then we have a different issue.
Laskern- yes but pictures are pretty modern and not everyone had paintings of everyone back in the day. Do you think that pasuk refers to pictures in modern times and skipped all other generations?
@It’s time- uh I guess? I mean that’s pretty bad but whatever. I mean I would think you shouldn’t say it on gedoilim it seems counterintuitive. Also my post was put out in full not sure what was edited about it? Why write edit but post the original post in full as if I said something wrong lol
There was a section that was edited out that served no purpose other than to rehash things I already deleted in the other posts. And you are right, it was so not relevant to that post that you don’t even know it’s missing. – 29
@avi- no I wasn’t referring to you. As far as the ym”s of gedoilim, I was referring to a certain group who casually says it regarding a few litvishe gedoilim but I cannot mention them since the post will not go through. Also within that same group, there was a “rabbi” who wrote a negative piece on Rav Shteinman zt”l, and referenced those terms such as old or mind not clear ch”v.
I actually tried posting excerpts of the article along with links to prove the validation of my post, but it was not approved by the mods. So you’ll just have to do your own research.
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Some say Ym”s about gedolim. Which is pretty sad. Also some say that certain gedolim were too old and their mind wasn’t working well. Also sad.
Bitul-“That is very disrespectful and I’m surprised that CR mods allowed such impudence to be publicized. The Coffee Room should not be allowed to be used as a way of advocating an Anti-Chabad agenda.”
Look who’s talking about disrespectful after bashing every litvish gadol he can in previous topics posted. You cry about the CR as a place for advocating anti chabad? I think the mods enforce the comments even more than they should.
Edited – I don’t know how many times we need to edit your vitriol before you understand that it will not be posted. You will not change their website by complaining about it here, perhaps for your own well being you should stop reading it. -29
Nusach plus name of the shul=hashkafa.
At least sometimesshlucha-you still didnt answer any of the questions. You also made some strong hints with your previous posts.
It probably wont be such a shock since if we see whoever Moshiach is fighting a physical war and leading us we will probably know who it is and be able to point out”zehu Moshiach”! But ya it would definitely be exciting ; )
shlucha-“It was quite a shock to the family when he was anointed let alone the country’s reaction when he became king. I guess that’s why it took him so long to establish his kingship. If there was such a shock factor when it came to just the ancestor of moshiach, imagine how it’ll be by moshiach himself. ”
-You mean when the Rebbe gets anointed? And this is why its taking so long because it is such a shock factor? I dont think you couldve been any clearer here. Also where in Daniel does it say that Moshiach will be dead? Theres a difference between concealed or not living.
Anyway can you just stop forcing this on everyone?
btw shlucha did you ever read this?
In fact, the Rebbe constantly made clear that he is not Mashiach. In his monumental biography of the Rebbe, Joseph Telushkin devotes a chapter to this question, and writes:
In 1965, Rabbi Avraham Parizh, an elder Chasid who had been with the movement from the time of the Fifth Rebbe, printed letters stating: “With great joy, we can inform you that King Messiah, for whom we have waited so many years, is already among us. He is the holy Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the King Messiah. His address is 770 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn, New York. He does not need us to choose him since God has chosen him.” Rabbi Parizh printed up many of these letters and started handing them out in Israel. According to one account, Parizh also distributed these letters by dropping them out of a helicopter.
When the Rebbe learned of the letter, he instructed his secretariat to immediately dispatch a telegram to Parizh, dated June 24, 1965: “We were shocked by the letter [you wrote and handed out] and ask that you immediately cease distributing it. Gather and send to the secretariat all copies of the letter, every last one, and please confirm immediately that you have fulfilled this instruction.” Chasidim tell how Parizh spent several weeks scrounging around the streets of Tel Aviv looking for every such sheet he could find…
In 1991, Rabbi Aharon Dov Halprin, the editor of Chabad’s Israeli magazine, Kfar Chabad, wanted to print an article explaining why the Rebbe was worthy of being considered the presumed Messiah. When the Rebbe learned of this he responded sharply, “If you, God forbid, [plan to write] anything even remotely similar, it is preferable that you shut down the periodical completely.”
In an urgent audience to which the Rebbe summoned Chabad activist Rabbi Tuvia Peles, the Rebbe rebuked those who were making Messianic claims about him, saying, “They are taking a knife to my heart” and “they are tearing off parts of me.”
… Some months later, and shortly before the Rebbe’s stroke, the Alaska-based shliach, Rabbi Yosef Greenberg (author of Y’mei Bereishit), brought a letter to be given to the Rebbe in which he referred to him as “King Messiah”. Later that same day, Rabbi Groner told Greenberg that the Rebbe had looked at the letter, thrown it down in frustration, and then wrote on it, “Tell him that when the Moshiach comes, I will give him the letter.”
An even more definitive statement of the Rebbe on this same issue occurred at around the same time. An Israeli journalist, Sarah Davidowitz of the Kol Ha’ir newspaper, approached the Rebbe and said, “We appreciate you very much, we want to see you in Israel; you said soon you will be in Israel, so when will you come?” The Rebbe responded: “That depends on the Moshiach, not on me.” The journalist persisted, “You are the Moshiach!,” to which the Rebbe responded: “I am not”.
Ok Ok now lets hear all the excuses twisting it all to your liking.
Also doesnt it say (in Rash”i) something about being concealed 45 years? That doesnt fit with the last generation of galus from 20 years ago does it?
Gadol-” My golf-club also didn’t allow yidden on the course until the late 1960s. Does that mean I should spit on the first tee every time I play?”
-Not a bad idea
Walt Disney was a notorious anti Semite and also psychopath it turned out.
There is a famous Teshuva by the Chasam Sofer on the topic. Very in depth.
Midwest-I think you completely did not get the post.
gitmeshige-“Now that I mentioned all of that what has the ” left” and MO done to promote any of the above?”
-You do understand that there are several levels in Modern Orthodox right? Those who call themselves “modern orthodox liberal” or “Open orthodoxy” are pretty much flawed in their understanding of what “Orthodox” means.There is no such thing as being orthodox but on the other hand doing whatever you want and lowering Torah standards to your liking.
On the other hand their are many erliche Yidden who just dont fit into any category and dress casual (as in not black and white), and maybe dont wear a black hat on Shabbos so people will view them as “modern” or “modern orthodox”. That does not mean their values are modern at all. Its funny there’s a new term called MO Machmir. But this term is very good way to describe Yidden who fit into this category as I described. They are basically “MO” but “machmir” meaning they are machmir on Torah values and are actually orthodox in their ways. Its basically a lighter version of litvish/yeshivish style (to some extent) just without the label.Akuperma-“Baltimore is cheap (homes in good, safe, frum neighborhoods for under $150K).”
-theres such a thing as safe neighborhoods in Baltimore? What neighborhood would you compare it to in NYC?
so are all communities becoming majority chassidish including the most litvish area lakewood?
Daas-“Someone might want to delete an account if they regret many of their posts, and especially if some people know who he really is.”
He?…..or she?…..
Isn’t it illegal to block your own driveway as well? Seems pretty ridiculous I think you need to get a permit to park on the street blocking your own legal driveway. Makes somewhat sense if you aren’t using your driveway why do you have one, but on the other hand it doesn’t make sense I mean what is it if you don’t park in your driveway then that mean noone can use the spot including yourself? Why not there’s no parking regardless of if someone is in the driveway or not so why is it an issue? I think traffic cops can time let you for it. I’m not sure if they only ticket if it’s pointed out or automatically if they see a car blocking a driveway.
Joseph-“Laws are meant to be broken. Do you never cross the street when the light is red?”
-Thats kind of a grey area though.coffeeaddict- “Just wondering, have you ever been to a frabengen and heard that (I have never been to one so I don’t know”
-Yes, coffeeaddict, and yes to the rest of your questions. Exactly, you havent been around them enough so thats why you dont know and buy into their propaganda of how everyone is out to get them. I dont blame you though. I wish this werent the case, but yes, I do know this personally and have been close enough to experience all of that. I think most people who are aware of this know exactly what I am talking about.
But when you point out these bad characteristics you are labeled, a hater, a snag, a sonei lubavitch, chabad hater, misnaged, worthless litvak, and so on you get the point. Also take note that I did not attack, merely pointed out their faults. But you just cant win.
coffee addict-“Really, what do you gain from knocking Lubavitchers?
What’s all this “chabadniks” and “you guys””””””
-Really what do lubavitchers gain from knocking Litvishers and Satmar and everyone else for that matter?
Whats with all this “snags”, “misnagdim”, “yoilys”, whats with all these topics on if its ok and encouraged to laugh and mocks Litvaks as if its actually a debatable matter,
non-stop articles on chabad sites portraying all non chabad Yidden in a bad way, only posting non chabad articles if it pertains to something negative-with such hateful comments that will make you puke (in case you thought the comments here were bad),
“farbrengens” also known as bash fests filled with challenges of how many times you can mention the word misnagdim and say that they have nothing in their lives and that their Torah is worthless since they “dont have chassidus”, criticizing those “filthy Satmar Ungars” for trying to invest in real estate near the vicinity of crown heights and trying to “destroy” lubavitch, articles bashing Litvish Gedoilim from past to present, belittling the GR”A calling him by his first name, comparing the Chazon Ish Torah knowledge to that of a little chabad boy learning Tanya and saying they are on the same level of greatness, Saying Yimach Shemo on a Litvish Gadol who they cant get enough of berating, playing both the victim when its convenient but also attacking and ridiculing EVERYONE else who isnt like them (in the frum world), the list goes on and on should I continue? I mean seriously, “whats with all that”?Oy ma haya lanu
CS-“This one was about how the world is ready for the Geula – and all input is welcome, not just Chabad.”
-with all due respect, those who read between the lines know that your main motive for opening this thread is to prove chabad to be correct. “Dont misunderstand us”, already you made it about yourself so you arent fooling anyone by playing the double sided card as is so often used whenever you guys bring up any topic. Like, “ya everyone chime in we respect everyones opinion even though (secretly) only the chabad opinion counts but ya lets hear it great”! ; (
Closing statement from your opening post-“So that’s what we mean when we say the world is ready for the Geula or the world is in a state of Geula.”
-uhh….ok? So do you want a medal for that? What other response were you looking for other than “oh ya you guys are right about everything including this one, good job guys you’re the best”!
I mean, really now. Did you expect everyone to shout kiddush lubavitch! or the like?“What year do you think this is, 1870?”
-uh, no…it’s called renting a room in an apartment or more likely a basement in boro park. Yes it sounds about right.
I know people who rent out a basement for $800 a month so a room is usually cheaper than that.
It’s an aveirah to break a traffic law? I’m not sure it’s an aveirah to not fully stop at a stop sign or to reverse through a one way street. Maybe only to save you from a fine but pretty sure it’s not an aveirah.
Even the laws aren’t always enforced it depends on the circumstance and the officers mood.
Daas-“They have no more right to their illegal driveway than you have to the spot in front.”
-youre right. I was thinking if it was a legal driveway, sometimes people block it if noone is inside. But even with illegal driveway youre still taking a chance of getting your car scratched if the owner doesnt see it as an illegal driveway.
yitz-“If someone’s there, I wouldn’t do it. I’m not sure it’s mutter to inconvenience someone that way. ”
-Oh but its ok to inconvenience someone if they might want to pull IN to their driveway. Good to know.Zahava-“I belive rashi was a wine dealer”
– Rashi made and sold wine for parnassah. What does that have to do with conducting or attending wine tasting “events”? Keyword, event.