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Sam: If you saw someone shecht an animal in a democracy like Switzerland that outlawed shechita, you will testify in court against the shochet so they can throw him in prison?
Igros Moshe CM 1:8:
I received your letter with regard to an evil doer who came into a kosher factory and forged the kosher symbol, placed it on non-kosher items, which he sold to Jews as kosher. The question is can one inform on him to the secular authorities who will judge him severely with either a fine or prison, or must the rabbis judge him according to Jewish law? In my opinion, even though his sin is great, and he shows no repentance, nonetheless so long as we cannot say that the Jewish judges cannot judge him, one may not turn the matter over to the secular authorities… In addition, since it is certain that the secular authorities will adjudicate the matter through incarceration or a fine inconsistent with Jewish law, one must be fearful of the prohibition of informing, as it is prohibited to inform on a Jew to the secular authorities, whether through danger to his body or his money, even if he be a sinner.
Igros Moshe, OC 5:9 (11):
It is prohibited for us to inform on a person for a matter where the punishment is unfounded in Jewish law. In Jewish law, theft is resolved through restitution as measured by an expert, and secular law punishes through imprisonment, unfounded in Jewish law.
Chelkas Yaakov, CM 5 (or 3:96 in some editions):
One who looks in Shulchan Aruch and other decisors will see explicitly that there is no difference, and even when one who uses secular courts to reclaim his own, the matter is in dispute in Choshen Mishpat 388:5 and the Shach views such a person as an informer. A similar view is taken Brachos 58a concerning… [a person who slandered government] and such a person became a pursuer [to destroy the government] and he was killed. Even though it is certain that if a gentile had done the same thing and called the government bitter they would have punished him, still Rav Shelai considered him an informer (moser) and killed him; while it is true that this case is different in that Rav Shelai was certain that they would be punished for mocking the government. …. Even the money of a Jew, once it falls into the hands of a gentile, they show no mercy on it, as is quoted in Shulchan Aruch and other decisors, and as a matter of normative halacha this matter does not change … That which we have seen in recent times [the Holocaust] provides proof to this.
Avi: Chatting, small talk, sicha, etc. Yet we have those here defending small talk (sicha). b’ishto omru, kal v’chomer b’eishas chaveiro.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/reply-to-mdd-about-calling-girls-by-1st-name
No need to be born in the US to be President. McCain and Romney (Sr.) were both born outside of US soil. Only need is to be a US citizen at the moment of birth.
The NJ monitor has agreed yesterday that courtesy busing will continue. The APP is now reporting it as well.
It is mesira.
Is al tarbeh sicha im haishah an extreme chumra? b’ishto omru, kal v’chomer b’eishas chaveiro.
Isn’t the homburg a bit chasidic or rabbinic?
Certainly not in public, if you’re referring to calling her by an endearing term.
The Lakewood Scoop is reporting today that New Jersey has surrendered and the State has agreed to continue courtesy busing. The cancellation had been cancelled.
The seforim hakedoshim say not to call your wife by her first name when in public. While this isn’t a universally followed custom, it is cited as a middos tznius. This is where the widely utilized (in some communities) “??? ???” directly comes from.
Which brings us back to the initial issue in this OP. If there’s an issue calling your wife (in public) by her first name, how much more so your neighbour’s wife or colleague or other woman!
Like was said originally, they don’t open Pomegranate or Gourmet Glatt in areas that are “Out of Town”.
Because there are too few Jews OOT. You’ll always find 1% who can regularly afford luxuries. If you’re starting in a town with a million Jews, 1% is significant; if a town has only 10,000 Jews, 1% won’t support it.
I don’t see it reflecting a sense of extreme luxury on the community as a whole because a yochid businessman decided to open a grocery store, keep it well kept and have some sections in the supermarket sell fancy prepared food items. All it reflects is that he thinks (perhaps/hopefully correctly) that there are enough people able to purchase those products for him to make a profit after paying his workers for preparing and maintaining those sections.
The verbal tour would fall generally along the same lines you gave for Pomegranate. (The valet parking there is because in Brooklyn you have a lack of parking problem.)
Do you remember what you said from one comment to the next? You said the GOP would not be in favor of supporting private schools. I told you you’re wrong by pointing out that Republicans generally favor school vouchers (nationally – not just in NY) for private schools. Now you’re hocking ah chinik that vouchers are not legal in New York.
The Agudah opposed the ruling like they should have.
gavra, Gourmet Glatt could fit into the same category you’ve described for Pomegranate. But that is a display of “extreme wealth”?! I mean those are all very expensive food items that most people don’t often buy, but luxury is relative. An expensive (i.e. $25) pen is a luxury considering you can buy a pen for 50 cents. Purchasing a fancy wallet versus a cheaper wallet can also be called a luxury. And an infrequent purchase of artisan bread and fancy sliced-to-order meat (or nuts from the nut bar) in Pomegranate or Gourmet can be a luxury. But none of these I would call a display of extreme wealth.
A display of extreme wealth is more along the lines of having a yacht or new Lamborghini. A display of wealth is more along the lines of going to a hotel for Pesach. But being an occasional customer of a fancy food item in Gourmet Glatt (let alone being in the store simply to purchase milk) isn’t a display of wealth, let alone extreme wealth.
Avi: Many of the frum Jews in prison don’t belong there. Convictions aren’t necessarily demonstration of actual guilt. (Additionally, actual guilt of a secular crime isn’t always a halachic violation. i.e. if someone is convicted of refusing to testify against someone else.) Innocents are convicted routinely in the non-Jewish system (and guilty parties are routines acquitted.) And of those that do deserve to be there, many are meikel on both bein adam l’makom and bein adam l’chaveiro.
But, as I said, there are exceptions to every rule.
The GOP supports private school vouchers.
The private school community saves the district hundreds of millions of dollars more per year, from not sending tens of thousands of children to public school every year, than they cost them in the difference in cost between public and private special ed for a hundred children or so.
And the Agudah openly opposed that marriage law/ruling. They couldn’t stop it regardless of what they did.
Queen: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/help-have-gallstones-can-i-avoid-gallbladder-removal
(Also for DY to note, if he wants to link to a post where I allegedly confirmed my gender.)
How would you describe Pomegranate, gavra?
Generally speaking, the same people who are machmir on bein adam l’makom are also machmir on bein adam l’chaveiro, while the same people who are meikel on bein adam l’makom are also meikel on bein adam l’chaveiro. Of course there are exceptions to every rule.
There is no excuse to be more lenient on bein adam l’makom than permissible or than on bein adam l’chaveiro.
It’s also the law that private school children get school books and transportation paid with public finances.
You’re welcome.
I’ve been to Gourmet Glatt. It’s a “fancy store” but it isn’t the lap of luxury.
Charlie disappears when he has no answers.
You don’t get it, do you. The extra money is for the Latinos in the public schools in East Ramapo and Lakewood, not for the Jewish children. No extra money, and non-mandatory kindergarten is cancelled. Instead of local Latinos getting half a day kindergarten they get no public school kindergarten since kindergarten is non-mandatory. The Latino kindergarteners will have to stay home with a hired babysitter or the parent taking off from work. Sports, extracurricular activities and other non-mandated public school programs Latinos are using go bye-bye. Public school roofs leaking? Sorry, no money to fix them. Public school class sizes going from 30 to 50 kids per class? Sorry, no money for smaller classes. Courtesy busing is a tiny percentage of the school budget and even cancelling it will not provide enough savings to cover the humongous deficit in the school budget. Private school children being bused going from 25,000 to 35,000 mandatory busing? Hiring new buses since it is mandated by State law to get them to school. Guess that means some more cuts in non-mandatory public school programs.
Maybe what’ll happen is the public school parents will get so frustrated that they’ll move out of town (i.e. rent basements in other towns) and the public school student body will go down to a small number and the local BOE will save hundreds of millions from having less public school kids.
Neville:
1) Please enumerate what, in your opinion, Planned Parenthood does good.
2) Would you prefer to have Saddam Hussein in power today?
3) Iraq did have WMDs. Chemical weapons were found by US forces.
4) Do you deny that Trump has had long-held liberal positions on abortion, health care and was a registered Democrat who gave campaign donations to Hillary and other Democrats running for office?
5) Do you acknowledge that Trump has led a highly visible immoral lifestyle?
ZD: Your record player is broken. No one is asking for more aid, per se. What is being asked for is to change the formula to count all school children in town.
gavra, the description that reached you about the luxuriousness of that nut bar is an extreme overdescription, to put it diplomatically.
Thank you for the update. I’m glad that it worked out so well for you.
And glad to have gotten the first post from you in 3.5 years. Obviously you’ve been lurking all this time if you saw the post so quickly. 😉
Because he is a liberal who supported abortion, thinks planned parenthood is a good thing, supported Hillary and donated money to her and other Democrat causes, was a registered Democrat, said that he’s “very liberal when it comes to health care” and has led a very immoral public personal life.
The Queen: The details of the story posted by flatbusher that you quoted does not indicate the conclusion you assumed.
Mrs. Mrs. D: That should be Mr. K to you.
gavra: Elite schools only work in-town, where there are many yeshivas each catering to a different segment. OTOH, OOT where there is one or few yeshivas, there is no option of choosing another yeshiva.
OP: Your daughter is 9 now. Did you go the homeschooling route? How’d it work out?
I wouldn’t call such a sick scenario as “basherts”. And just because you can’t eliminate the problem altogether, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take steps to reduce the likelihood of its occurrence.
I’m not sure how much overlap there is between the Assembly district and the Senate district, but they aren’t the same.
Joseph, have you ever sought help for your obsession with this subject? Just saying’ -29 (as if you couldn’t figure that out)
It’s a strongly Republican district.
The Republicans are likely to retain Skeolos’ vacated Long Island seat. But in any event the outcome of that special election doesn’t change control of the State Senate either way as Simcha Felder and the five member Independent Caucus are allied with the Republican majority.
1) Can’t be forced. Won’t happen.
2) Most likely scenario to occur. Because if it doesn’t happen you’ll have tens of thousands of black and Hispanic public school children in failed public schools whose funding has been cut to there legal bare minimum. State politicians will be afraid.
3) Very unlikely as the neighboring districts won’t agree to it.
4) Won’t happen because it would require new laws in legislative changes. Their is no public will by elected politicians to take away benefits from school children, even private ones. Especially considering their parents are a strong and influential voting bloc.
Is a penny worth two cents if you offer a penny to a pauper and he declines it?
Kol isha!!
Hahah, your liberal crowd of friends matched the results that included the non-Jewish and non-Orthodox voters in your neighborhood. Your couldn’t ask for a more non-representitive survey if you tried!
That correction wasn’t from me.
Bored: For a yehareg ve’al ya’avor one must not only gives up their job but they must give up their life. We are discussing situations that borders on giluy arayos.
Oomis: Do the men also call your “Rebbetzin” by her first name?