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Do you think R’ Dovid Feinstein and R’ Shmuel Kamenetsky etc were reading the coffee room and decided to publsih the kol koreh and coincidentally Ami and Mishpacha decided to publish pages on it too?
Should I think like you that R’ Dovid Feinstein and R’ Shmuel Kamenetsky and the other gedolei rabbonim are manipulable simpletons and whom scaremongers can twist these multitudes of gedolei rabbonim to do their bidding?
ubiq: The net effect of your words is that rabbonim such as Rav Feinstein, Rav Kaminetzky, Rav Belsky, Rav Miller, etc. are scaremonger enablers. That, and that you think that Rav Feinstein, Rav Kaminetzky, Rav Belsky, Rav Miller and a bunch of other gedolei rabbonim are nincompoops that fall for scaremongers tactics – and all those rabbonim couldn’t see the “truth”, as you do, and see right through those scaremongers and stupidly sign their haskama to untruths.
Do you think the list of heimishe stores (including some seforim stores) in the ad have stopped selling the device?
nishtdayngesheft: Isn’t Tiferes Rifka one of the fancier halls?
The downside was it was midweek and 80% of the relatives and almost all the friends did not come because of the 4 hour round trip drive.
That’s the upside. He saved 80% off the catering (in addition to the cheaper hall).
ubiq: So in your opinion “those rabbis” like Rav Feinstein, Rav Kaminetzky, Rav Belsky, Rav Miller, etc. are just “scare mongerers” trying to scare away Jews from following other rabbis who permit? But you are off the mark about the rabbis you cite. i.e. Rabbi Oelbaum disavowed permitting it, said the developer misrepresented his view, and said it is Mechallel Shabbos with the issur of Zilzul Shabbos:
In any event, you’re okay with the Shabbos Switch being advertised in the Hamodia etc. and sold in local seforim stores?
even messages on the CR
Uh oh. I was wondering why we haven’t seen chaplaintzvi in a long time.
Not that the evidence of his treachery is lacking. Even after the war, Zionist Kastner defended Nazi SS Officer Kurt Becher in the Nuremberg Trials, saving this Nazi who killed numerous Jews from the gallows.
Which town?
Sam: Have you read Min Hameitzar (or its English translation The Unheeded Cry) by Hagaon Harav Michael Dov Weissmandl?
Regarding Kastner, even Israeli Judge Benjamin Halevy said of him that he “sold his soul to the devil”.
DM: That’s a boldfaced lie that does not contain a single shred of truth in its deceitful untruthful attack against one of the Gedolei HaDor of the last generation.
Despite that, it is certainly true that Rav Elchonon Wasserman hy’d wrote (the ksav yad is available) that it is better to die a physical death at the hands of the Nazis than to be saved by YU which could cause one’s spiritual death.
How is it that Hamodia had the chutzpa to accept an ad for KosherSwitch in this week’s US paper and stores such as Eichler’s are selling it?
Of course there’s support for that. Regarding the MO OTD rate, it is well established that it is far far higher than any other Orthodox group. Rabbi Pruzansky of Teaneck, MO himself, famously discussed this a couple of years ago. (See: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/shocking-study-of-modern-orthodox-otd-rate for a discussion of that.)
He had a paid-for seat on the train that Eichmann allowed out of Hungary. He should thank Eichmann more for allowing the train out
(there was no way for the train ride to exist or be able to leave if not for Eichmann’s approval) than to thank Eichmann’s Kapo Kastner for selling the leftover seats that were still available after he gave away most of the seats to his entire immediate and extended family and zionist colleagues, after he traded receiving all that for the price of Kastner facilitating Eichmann’s liquidation of Hungarian Jewry and keeping quiet about the Vrba-Wetzler Report.
flatbusher: The more cloistered/chumaradik the community, the less likely the people are to go off. The Meah Shearim/New Square have from the least dropouts. More mainstream chasidim have less dropouts than yeshivish. And yeshivish have less dropouts than MO. So your theory holds no water.
Bring him back on track.
The Gemara suggests that the Shichvas Zera of a Nochri has different properties from that of a Jew, since the Nochri eats non-Kosher foods and is physically affected by his diet. The Chasam Sofer (Teshuvos YD 175) writes that this Gemara is relevant in practice. He rules that we cannot assume that a medical treatment that was tested successfully on a Nochri will also be successful on a Jew. Rav Elyashev zt’l pointed out that the Chasam Sofer writes that the physical characteristics of a Yid are different than a Goy, and that what applies to one may not apply to the other. Therefore, said Rav Elyashev, how much more so regarding the mind/soul?
Avi: Israel’s wars don’t fit the halachic definition of a milchemes mitzvah. And Limud Torah is fully effective without any misheberachs.
Yes, RY23 took my bait! Good one, no, DM? We got him right where he wanted to see KJC.
No mention of their collaboration with the Nazis?
YWN should advertise that Dennis Prager is a member and posts here.
You already agreed that a Ptur from the Army should be given to anyone who wants to learn once the Army has enough people. (And the Army has more than enough even if every yeshiva guy wants to continue learning.)
“Which means as many people in the army as the experts determine necessary and everyone else learning as much as possible.”
You should always daven before during and after doctor, ditto for crossing the street.
So what’s your beef in your first post? newbee also said to daven before seeing the doctor. He didn’t say anything about not davening any other times.
Refuah Shelamo.
What is your thought on that point, DY?
Nevertheless it isn’t comparable. He didn’t use Ben Franklin’s teachings on Tanach to learn from. It would be more understandable if you suggested learning an ethics book of Mr. Praeger than a book from him on what to learn out of the Torah (Aseres HaDibros).
newbee is 100% correct. You should daven before going to see the doctor. What’s so earth-shattering or objectionable about that idea?
Bad comparison, ubiq. You can daven before crossing the street too. But definitely look. No one said not to see a doctor. newbee specifically said to see a doctor “after” davening.
Sam: “Which means as many people in the army as the experts determine necessary and everyone else learning as much as possible.”
Beautiful. The army has an oversupply as it is. They certainly are not short personnel. If everybody who wants to learn full-time does so, the army will still not be short. So everyone who wants to learn should, and must, be in the Beis Medrash.
Wasn’t R. Lefin a maskil?
An Orthodox person getting Jewish inspiration from someone non-Orthodox? This is a book about the Aseres HaDibros.
Is there any reason not to leave the switch in Shabbos Mode all week?
YWM-42: I supposed you could leave it on Shabbos Mode all week, if that was your goal. About the green light, I thought it is on the entire time when it is in Shabbos Mode. (IOW, that the green light is only there to let you know it is on Shabbos Mode.)
Why are only my pseudonyms getting listed on this thread? I think some other posters should get some mentions too.
If I started a serious thread entitled “Proof that men are better than women” with real proofs from the Torah and Chazal that breached every concept of political correctness but nevertheless was almost unassailable from a Torah hashkafic viewpoint that ignored all the modern apologetics trying to explain away the so many open pesukim in Tanach, mishnas, gemoras and rishonim, would the CR go into an uproar? (Or is the more likely probability that the thread would be rejected?)
Yes, I quoted that as well right above rob’s comment – right in the opening of my comment.
I think that was PAA’s original point about why argue altogether if it is all irrelevant anyways. But we argue over how to bring a korbon too, don’t we. One good reason to keep alive the fact that the State was and is a violation is to educate everyone as such so that they don’t think that its establishment was a positive event. Another is because it was a violation it has ramifications on how we interact with it today. (There are, of course, great disagreements on how to interact with it after-the-fact. Brisk doesn’t vote. Agudah does but doesn’t take a cabinet level position. etc.) As far as protesting against the leadership, that usually occurs (with the mainstream klal) when the leadership is pursuing negative actions such as drafting yeshiva bochorim, digging up kevarim, etc.
Rav Moshe’s rebbetzin was taller than him.
A Jew is obligated to believe Moshiach will be coming any moment and to be prepared for Moshiach on a moment’s notice.
Which tzadik was it (the Chofetz Chaim) that famously always had a bag ready with him with everything he needed to go to Eretz Yisroel should Moshiach suddenly appear?
akuperma: See my earlier comment above that I addressed to you. If the husband is offering his wife support in his home then the beis din halachicly can’t make him send her money in lieu of the support he’s offering her in his home.
“There is and has always been a wide gap between the halacha in the sefarim and what happens in the real world.”
The consequences of failing to follow the halachic laws on gittin is severe when a Get is pressured kneged halacha resulting in a Get Me’usa and the potential for future mamzeirim.
“One or both of them want the other to be out of his/her life.”
In the halachic system, unless there are specific halachicly recognized (and proven) “grounds”, a divorce can only be obtained with the mutual consent of both spouses. One spouse cannot impose a divorce upon the other unwillingly.
“Creating an economic incentive to give a get is no coercion”
An economic penalty for not granting it is recognized as coercion under halacha.
“if the husband goes to civil courts”
Neither party is permitted to initiate proceedings in civil courts to adjudicate any dispute. (An exception might be granted if one party defies beis din.)
In terms of reconciliation, if either spouse is seeking that then the general rule under halacha is that the beis din must pursue that and cannot force a divorce.
Kovetz Teshuvos vol. 1 #174. See also the teshuva I referred above from Rav Shternbuch. The rare cases where he can be forced require proof that the claim she makes is true. In any case, you’re overstating when it can be done. Read those two teshuvos as well as the Rishonim and Achronim and especially Shulchan Aruch and Rema that Rav Elyashev and Rav Shternbuch refer to in their teshuvos. Read Rav Elyashev again. He says very clearly and repeatedly that we don’t (and beis din can’t) force him.
It’s from six and half years ago and I was going on memory, so you’ll have to cut some slack about the bt/ger switcharoo. 😉
It was simply a thought that occurred to me that the kosher keeping aspect probably wasn’t a factor in answering the OP’s question.
What brought that thought to mind was remembering that Feivel (aka Mod-80), who said he’s a bt, opined that it is a legitimate consideration in shidduchim whether a bt is more likely to fry-out. (Thinking about it now, I’m starting to wonder if it was actually about considering a shidduch with a Ger that he made this point about.)
Rav Henkin said that after the against-the-Torah establishment of the State of Israel, the fact is there are now millions of Jews living there and whose safety depends on the physical security of the country, and so nobody should do anything that puts Jews in danger and the fact that the creation of Israel was an aveira is no excuse to support the Arabs.
Of course, nobody disagrees with that. The Satmar Rebbe writes more than once that now that the State is established, we cannot allow the Arabs to take over, and only prayer – and Moshiach – can safely dismantle the State and that we cannot allow the nations to dismantle it because that would be a sakanah for the Jews living there.
Rav Henkin zt’l in Kisvei Rav Henkin vol. 2 5719 #109, vol. 2 in the haskomos, vol. 1 #206, vol. 2 p. 103 states “I opposed with all my might the creation of the Medina”. He also quotes that it is against the 3 oaths and that Hashem will punish us for it. He also says that the holocaust came about as a punishment for the violation of the Oaths:
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=3217&st=&pgnum=115&hilite=
Kisvei Rav Henkin vol 2 5719 #109, vol 2 in the haskomos, vol. 1 #206, vol. 2 p. 103:
“Dechikas Haketz [i.e. one of the three Oaths – not to “pressure the time of the geulah] pushes the time of Geulah further away, and because the different types of Baryonim wielded the sword and participated in various rebellions, one thing led to another and the result was that we lost the majority of our nation, who were killed through horrible deaths, the like of which has never been seen in all of history, and thousands of holy congregations were razed to the ground, and b’avonoseinu harabim it has fueled the warning of Chazal – “and if not [i.e. if you do not follow the Three Oaths], then I shall permit your flesh to be hunted like game in the field” – Hashem should have mercy on those who survived.”
He also adds about how Jews are not allowed to be involved in wars and our approach should be totally one of submission, and how the Baryonim are still involved in antagonizing the nations.
avodat HaShem
Moving to Israel turned you into a Sefardi? It isn’t proper for one to change their havara.
Avram: You’re wrong. The first quote of mine you cited (made yesterday) was *only* referring to my immediate previous post addressed to Sam’s point. The second comment you quoted (which was my first comment here and was made over a month ago and unrelated to my subsequent comments) was addressing the OP’s comment. (In that the op’s question isn’t limited to a bt who used to only keep kosher but could similarly be asked on a bt who didn’t keep anything.)
I believe it can be switched repeatedly. It works the same on the first change as all other changes.
I mean you’re still in 12th grade. You still have a year or two before you are allowed to start worrying…
Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvos 134):