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JosephParticipant
He has no chance of winning. If he were President he might be a good president. He did bring well deserved attention in the election to the problem of illegal aliens run amok.
July 15, 2015 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm in reply to: Lakewood school board State monitor (and Five Towns) #1094399JosephParticipantlesschumras: I simply replied to the facts Abba_S presented about the monitor attempting to eliminate bus service to students living within 2.5 miles of the school.
July 15, 2015 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm in reply to: Lakewood school board State monitor (and Five Towns) #1094397JosephParticipantAbba_S: Is the Lakewood monitor attempting to implement any additional negative proposals other than reducing the busing you mentioned?
What is the likelihood of him succeeding in reducing the busing?
What have the high school students within 2.5 miles been doing until now to get to school?
JosephParticipantWolf, I offer advanced refresher courses in English. squeak is my most recent satisfied client.
JosephParticipantYekkes are never late.
JosephParticipantDaasYochid has prevailed in this discussion.
JosephParticipantDY: My reading of Curiosity’s jestful comment is in line with ca’s.
JosephParticipantca,
Hashem still runs the world.
It’s a fact.
JosephParticipantA frum developer just built dozens of brand new homes in Bloomingburg, NY in Sullivan County, and is planning to build another over hundred brand new homes in a developing frum community. From what I understand the pricing is very good. You can google “Chestnut Ridge Bloomingburg” (without the quotes) to find the website with the information.
JosephParticipantnewbee: I can’t speak from your perspective, but from mine it is quite unburdensome to keep CY. And I’ve yet to meet anyone seeking recognition for it. (But then again, I haven’t met you. If you feel you could use some extra schar, no one’s stopping you from joining the club. It has open membership.)
JosephParticipantTo ease all the tension here, the next question is as follows:
In Gan Eden will they serve non-Cholov Yisroel?
JosephParticipantMy rov doesn’t think it’s okay. I’m asking from an educational perspective.
JosephParticipantCholav Stam is not a derogatory term. What we all said was that there are those who use it as a derogatory term, they attach negative connotations to it, and Joseph is one of them.
No, that is factually incorrect. In fact you claimed there was a halachic difference! (“Ha! As if it is all the same halachically.”) When in fact CS and ChC are the same thing. So you got it utterly wrong. And APY, in fact, did claim it was derogatory. So who is this “we” you speak of?
JosephParticipantDM: Aside from your post being senseless because it’s premised wrong, if someone smokes on Shabbos do you tell him he shouldn’t worry about driving on Shabbos until he stops smoking?
JosephParticipantDY: My intent had only been to ask if it is a maaila. If it came out differently it was due to poor phraseology on my part for which I apologize. (In any event, benignuman confirmed his proposed phrasing is the same how I rephrased it prior to his suggestion.)
On a side note, am I mistaken in thinking that you still are upset with me (/strike have it in for me) for our dustup in the youtube thread?
ubiquitin: There is no chilik. Each is following his own minhag. (I also don’t see the shaychus, as that is a matter of minhag [both are covering their heads with their own communities custom] whilst this [CY] is regarding a question of halacha.)
JosephParticipantbenignuman: TY. Can you clarify how or why you suggested that rephrase? I’m not following how it is different than my rephrase above.
And can you specify the reason you see a clear spiritual benefit to choosing CY, even if CS is muttar?
JosephParticipantYiddish is over 1,000 years old.
JosephParticipantcharliehall: Yes, just a lot of different mitzvot…
Yes, just a small number of different mitzvot.
2+2 = 3+3 (Just a small difference in numbers.)
JosephParticipantAPY: The quote is from DaMoshe. His statement (as quoted) was “I’ve heard some Rabbonim say that if you can, you should only have CY.” It appears these rabbonim hold that CS is muttar (thus if CY is unavailable they permit using CS) but the rabbonim are saying that if CY is available then “you should only have CY.” I asked DM to clarify why the rabbonim hold that it is preferable to use CY if CS is muttar.
JosephParticipantSam: So I take it that when you made your comment several hours ago, without qualification, that HKBH will don folks why he did not enjoy Haagen Daazs, you are holding like the Chazon Ish and not Rav Moshe?
DM: I’ve heard some Rabbonim say that if you can, you should only have CY.
Why do these rabbonim hold that it is preferable to use CY if CS is muttar?
JosephParticipantLet’s rephrase the discussion:
The premise here is that Cholov Stam is muttar.
Is there any spiritual benefit for a person to choose not to eat Cholov Stam?
Either to not eat any CS altogether – or certain foods or times that he chooses not to eat CS.
Or, once we are working on the premise that Cholov Stam is muttar, then we should accept there is no spiritual reason to ever avoid CS and instead choose CY (if the CY is less convenient or more costly)?
JosephParticipantbenignuman: I don’t know the answer but Rav Chaim does. And surely others do as well; perhaps even a lurker here.
JosephParticipantDM, ubiquitin: I see, there should never be halachic discussions since everyone has a Rov. The CR should be for politics only. That’s simply wrong. There are many halachic discussions and this is one of them. No one should be paskening off this. But this is certainly a legitimate issue and discussion.
Let’s put aside the gan eden/olam haba issue, if that’s contentious. But the question whether someone who holds CS is muttar has any reason to refrain from eating CS, either all the time or some of the time, is a very relevant question and point to many people. If you hold that CS is muttar wouldn’t you want to know if there’s ever any spiritual reason to spend more money on a gallon of CY milk or buy CY chocolate or ice cream rather than CS milk, chocolate or ice cream?
JosephParticipantubiquitin, DM: It is fine for you to acknowledge that the answer whether they receive more schar for avoiding CS “is above my paygrade”, but an answer can be ascertained and in fact needs to be ascertained. If there is schar or if it is a positive, then people who hold CS is muttar may still choose to be machmir. So certainly the need to know what Hashem wants and considers a plus (even if not mandatory but “only” lifnim meshuras hadin) is an answerable question.
Syag: You are mixing up the terms Cholov Stam with Cholov Akum. The term Cholov Stam, just as Cholov HaCompanies, is a neutral (and interchangeable) term. It is Cholov Akum that has the negative connotations from halacha that you are thinking of, not Cholov Stam.
JosephParticipantSyag: The fact is that many people who hold, and their Rov holds, that Cholov Stam is permitted still are machmir and refrain from eating CS either sometimes, or regarding certain foods [i.e. plain milk], or certain times [i.e. aseres yemei hateshuva] or any number of other conditions where they’ll refrain from eating CS even though other times they will eat CS as they hold it muttar.
So the question certainly is a relevent one.
Are these people being foolish for refraining from always eating and enjoying CS?
(Or Cholov HaCompanies, whichever nomenclature floats your boat.)
JosephParticipantSam: There’s no concept that a Sefardi baal nefesh should refrain from Kitniyos or that Eruv or an Ashkenazi baal nefesh to use Sefardic shechita. There is the fact that a baal nefesh should refrain from CS even though its muttar.
JosephParticipantDM, ubiquitin: If one’s Rov says CS is permitted to be eaten, will such a person receive zero schar if he is makpid to only eat CY and not CS? It is a relevent question because people who are advised CS is permissible need to know if they are wasting their efforts, enjoyment and life by sticking only to CY.
ubiquitin: It isn’t a matter of olam haba having limited room. It is unlimited as necessary. Nevertheless, the fact as you surely are aware is that by doing certain greater efforts lifnim meshuras hadin one is rewarded for the additional effort. Certainly just because something isn’t mandatory and “only” falls into the category of lifnim meshuras hadin, does not mean people shouldn’t go above and beyond. So even if are to grant CS is muttar, as numerous authorities do, does that then negate those adherents from receiving greater schar?
JosephParticipantSam: So why should a baal nefesh keep CY and lose a lifetime enjoyment of Haagen Daazs and Entenmanns (thanks Goq) when he will receive no more schar for avoiding CS than the other guy eating M&M’s and Ben & Jerrys every day?
JosephParticipantJosephParticipantMatan1: If your response to my above question to you is that if one’s Rov holds CS is permissible to consume then he receives no additional schar or olam haba if he is machmir to only consume CY, then my follow-up to you is three-fold:
a. If there’s no obligation to say Tehilim why does one receive schar for saying it but no schar for only eating CY?
b. Did the person in this aforementioned scenario (with the CS-permitting rov) who strictly only consumed CY, waste his life avoiding CS that he could have and should have enjoyed, and received no spiritual benefit for avoiding?
c. Why did Rav Moshe say that a baal nefesh shouldn’t eat CS? Putting aside the question of who or what a baal nefesh is, did Rav Moshe hold that a baal nefesh would receive schar for avoiding CS even though CS is permissible?
JosephParticipantIt is my contention that the Gemara says that when he gets to Shamayim HKBH will ask him why he did not enjoy the Haagen Daazs that HKBH specifically put in this world for him.
Sam: So you disagree with Rav Moshe Feinstein that a baal nefesh should not eat cholov stam, i.e. Haagen Daazs.
Noted.
JosephParticipantWolf: If someone says Tehilim 20 minutes a day during a period of time that he previously used to read the sports section of the news that he dropped and replaced with Tehilim, and if he would not be saying Tehilim the only other thing he would be doing is reading the sports section, and otherwise in either scenario he would be living his life and biding his time the same, do you not agree the scenario of him saying Tehilim for 20 minutes a day will earn him more schar in olam haba than had he been spending that time reading about the Knicks and the Nets?
JosephParticipantThe Wolf = Anav.
JosephParticipantThe Wolf = Lamid Vov.
JosephParticipantWolf: If someone says Tehilim every day (aside from what’s in davening) will he get schar in olam haba for that? Or do you contend there is no way to know whether he will get more schar than if he lived his life exactly as otherwise except that he did not say Tehilim every day?
JosephParticipantMatan1: Is it your contention that if someone’s Rov told him that it is not halachicly required to use CY, then his using only CY will not gain him any favor with Hashem or provide him any reward in olam haba?
JosephParticipantWolf: It is untrue that it always cannot be ascertained in advance whether a certain activity, action or behavior will provide one greater schar in olam haba than the absence of engaging in it.
JosephParticipantTorah613: I’d appreciate if you elucidated your comment a bit more so I can understand it.
akuperman: I’m referring to receiving schar for keeping CY.
July 13, 2015 12:56 am at 12:56 am in reply to: Why does every profession today need to be composed of half men and half women? #1091653JosephParticipantA woman’s place is at home. (Azoi zugt der Torah un halacha.) Anywhere else is, at best, a b’dieved.
JosephParticipant(Obviously in the latter case the food is milichigs.)
That depends on the case, and how you define “milchigs”.
Er, please explain how “Cholov Yisroel food made in Cholov Stam keilim” is ever not milichigs.
JosephParticipantRav Chaim doesn’t have a list. He said names should not be used if they have no traditional basis among Jews to use them. (And he isn’t shy about specifying names which are inappropriate.)
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-name-shira-asur
JosephParticipantubiquitin: According to the quote from Rav Ahron it is abundantly clear he means “must”. The rest of the recording is only Rav Heinemann’s opinion.
benignuman: Unless you provide names of rabbonim, your definition of “yeshivish” vastly differs from the common definition. The only names you provided are those of unsourced and unwritten rulings that someone allegedly claims to have heard. And if, as you say, “when someone asks a personal shaila, the response is meant for him alone, not for publication unless the rov says so”, why then are you publishing these supposed shailas and alleged responses that you acknowledge were at most a one-off responsa that the rov didn’t want published or used generally by the public? As you say “Rabbonim are often reluctant to publish heterim because they do not trust that the heter won’t be misunderstood/extended”, why are you extending it where it is easily liable to be misunderstood as the rabbonim feared?
The mainstream view and psak, as abundantly demonstrated by numerous written psakim by the gedolei haposkim across the spectrum (yeshivish/litvish, chasidish and sefardish) is that it is prohibited to shake a woman’s hand in a business setting or otherwise. There may be any number of private heteirim to do any sort of aveiros the Torah might prohibit based on unique circumstances. But those heteirim in no way, shape or form indicate that the underlying aveira is anything other than prohibited. No less that when someone receives a heter to be mechallel Shabbos does it mean that chillul Shabbos is permitted. Or “mainstream”.
newbee: What if you have to physically pick a woman up and take her off the train tracks to save her life? Being permitted to do so demonstrates that other times you can pick a woman up if you feel it isn’t derech chiba? You’re arguing since you can carry her out of the pool so you should be able to carry her to a cot if she fell asleep on the kitchen floor if you believe it isn’t derech chiba for you.
And all doctors don’t shake hands. What on earth are you talking about?
Rav Moshe writes multiple times that shaking a woman’s hand is objectively derech chiba.
JosephParticipant“I will tell you what my Rebbe said “mdarf zich arose dreyen fun deim”
The translation of that is Rav Ahron said “one must get himself out of that”. Must.
newbee: What if you have to physically pick a woman up and take her off the train tracks to save her life? Being permitted to do so demonstrates that other times you can pick a woman up if you feel it isn’t derech chiba?
JosephParticipantSoon people will be quoting this story as a psak that some “prominent posek” permits hugging women if it isn’t derech chiba.
JosephParticipantRav Moshe in OC I 113 also writes it is assur because an unmarried woman is a nidda and a married woman is an eishes ish (and also may be a nidda).
JosephParticipantYou don’t have to klerr what Rav Moshe was saying. Rav Moshe is very clear in multiple teshuvos (EH I 5, OC I 113, EH IV 32.9) on this issue that a handshake with a woman is objectively derech chiba.
JosephParticipantwritersoul, when folks backup themselves with a “well-known rosh yeshiva” (Dov Linzer is a well known RY) or “a substantial posek” who must remain unnamed (which poskim want their psaks published without attribution?), especially when they are going against numerous written piskei din by the gedolei haposkim, and they can’t cite any written psak justifying their deviation from numerous written psaks to the contrary, that is the typical reasoning.
JosephParticipantSam, we’re still waiting for information on this so-called psak you made up in the name of the CS that one can only sell chometz to a woman.
JosephParticipantSam: Please provide a citation to this alleged Chasam Sofer where he rules one can only sell their chometz to a woman (and that the Rov must shake her hand.)
JosephParticipantSam: I am not incorrect – I didn’t even address the issue of whether a handshake is needed to seal a deal. I simply pointed out that you don’t need a gentile woman to sell your chometz too. You can be less egalitarian.
newbee: Rav Moshe is very clear in multiple teshuvos on this issue that a handshake with a woman is objectively derech chiba.
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