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He’s making an assumption that they want to be videoed. Do people with home CCTV or shul CCTV want to be videoed?
Sam: Many shuls have videos recording 24 hours on Shabbos. In NY, including in many frum neighborhoods, there are 24/7 videocameras all over the streets. Many homes have CCTV. On previous discussions various sources were cited permitting walking in an area that is being video recorded.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/cctv-on-shabbos
Which of the melachos is violated by standing or walking in a march on Shabbos?
I find them attending any rally on Shabbos to be totally untoward and wrong.
But if you accuse it of being chillul Shabbos, you need to identify what exactly about walking is c”S. If it is only about carrying signs, then it would only be applicable to those who carried it and only if there is no town eiruv. If there’s another thing that’s a halachic violation of Shabbos, then identify what it is. I haven’t read any identified thus far.
My vote is completely with sushibagel on this discussion.
Okay, I believe it now because you said they are. Can’t argue with such impeccable logic. Now if you don’t mind explaining how they were mechallel for the less intellectual, they’ll be sure to be thankful. If you are talking about guys carrying, then that would indeed be applicable to the guys who were carrying, if there was no town eiruv. The pictures I’ve seen (from Shabbos) didn’t show them carrying.
Your point is that Netanyahu is a rasha for being mechallel Shabbos? The nk guys walking in the demonstration on Shabbos doesn’t sound like mechallel Shabbos by walking.
MDG: I would imagine they would retort that a nuclear armed Iran threatening the Jews in Israel is a pressing need, and they would probably further argue that like pleading with Roman General Vespasian to save some Jews they fancy themselves doing something along similar lines.
MDG: Nobody was talking about Esther and Achashveiros. We were talking about Esther meeting Haman. And you missed the context of this point, as it was a response to zdad’s claim that anyone who would dare meet Haman would automatically be “a moser and a rasha”.
The point about Yochanan ben Zakkai and Vespasian is that there is no inherent aveira with meeting an enemy of the Jews. In fact, throughout Jewish history Jews and Jewish leaders have met our enemies. Did Moshe meet Pharaoh? Did Jews not meet King Ferdinand of Spain to plead to revoke the expulsion edict? And Nazis. (Did Kastner ask Daas Torah about negotiating with Eichmann to get a train to Switzerland?)
Esther was not forced. And neither was Yochanan ben Zakkai forced to meet Vespasian when he met him before Vespasian destroyed Yerushalayim.
Really?!? What is it? I need a favor from Graham!
If a Frum jew kept all Halachas met with Haman, He would still be a Moser and a Rasha.
Who’da thunk that Esther was a moser and rasha!
And if he wears a baseball cap in the street (with his tzitzis tucked in), how will people know he is a Yid?
In most of the world outside of America, people tend to shower with a frequency closer to once a week than every other day.
Why don’t you do the cats the same thing you would do if it were mice?
Because Jews always wore uniforms that very clearly identified him as a Jew and being different than gentiles. True, different communities of Jews sometimes had different uniforms. And they even changed over the centuries. But always did the Jew dress conspicuously Jewish that screamed out loud “I am a Jew”.
So tell me what is their uniform? (Not what it isn’t, i.e. no hats.)
gaw: Hashem’s Army has many divisions, each with their own uniform.
Joseph and sushibagel: No one is disputing the fact that we always dressed differently than the goyim
Sam seems to not accept this fact.
were really copied from Goyim. Making a slight change doesn’t negate that fact… If you google pictures of Russian Noblemen and see their streimel like hats and then find pictures of streimels from the same era, you’ll find any difference, if there is one at all, to be negligible.
Making a change isn’t slight and is notable. To take your example, the Russian noblemen’s headgear wasn’t closely similar to the common shtreimal and in pictures of the nobleman you will not find them wearing something on their head that could be mistaken for a shtreimel.
Chazal met with reshoyim leaders like the Roman Caesar Vespasian when he came to destroy Yerushalyaim r’l.
Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to the discussion. Hopefully you’re not dressing like the irreligious Jews of prewar Europe or of postwar America.
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What’s wrong with it changing over a period of decades or centuries, Sam, as long as it is still identifiable as a Jew with fellow contemporary Jews still wearing the similar dress code?
In the newest poll out today, from ABC/Washington Post, Trump has taken a clear lead in first-place and has 24% in the new poll, with Scott Walker in second place at 13% and Jeb Bush at 12%.
Trump gained 18 points among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents that identify as white evangelical Protestants compared to the last poll.
Sam: What is this “famous” discussion between R’ Dovid Feinstein and R’ Shlomo Zalman?
ubiq: What I’m saying is that you should defer your views to the views of the military leadership on military questions and to the political leadership on national security questions that you are not privy to national security secrets to. Especially if it is unanimous. And in Israel it is virtually unanimous that this treaty is bad for Israel’s security. (Yes, compared to no treaty/status quo.)
Sam, does a team’s uniform never change? Of course it changes with time. There’s nothing wrong, and everything natural, about a uniform changing with time.
But its still a uniform. And it is still unique for Hashem’s Army.
People want to show they are part of the Hashem’s team, so they wear the team colors.
FTFY.
*sigh*, ubiq. A nuclear armed Iran is a far greater threat to neighboring Israel than to far away America. America’s national interests and Israel’s national interests do not always coincide.
So tell me, should we sign a nuke treaty with North Korea? Should we put boots on the ground to fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq? Should we arm Ukraine against the Russian rebels?
What do we need military leadership addressing these questions when we have ubiquitin answering it all based on his reading the news.
Fair enough. Well I disagree with what they are saying.
“Perhaps you should accept that… your layman analysis based on being a news junkie doesn’t give you sufficient insight to disagree with national leaders in a state of ongoing mortal conflict.”
ubiq: Your #2 doesn’t address my #2. “The Israelis are virtually all saying that having no agreement would be better than this agreement.”
America, Sam? America, 75 years ago, was a spiritual wasteland. It was just then that the beginnings of a Torah world was being built in America. Prior to that time it was difficult to simply be a Shomer Shabbos in America. Prewar America in no raya how Jews should behave.
If you want to look how Jews behaved 80 or 90 years ago, you need to look where Torah communities thrived. That would be prewar Europe.
1) I dont know you have to ask them
It’s fine for you not to know. Perhaps you should accept that if political enemies are all agreeing that this Iran agreement is terribly worse than no agreement, than your layman analysis based on being a news junkie doesn’t give you sufficient insight to disagree with national leaders in a state of ongoing mortal conflict.
The Israelis are virtually all saying that having no agreement would be better than this agreement and that this agreement puts Israel at great security risk.
Sam: If some people in Efrat have an inferiority complex when they see a Jew dressed like a Jew, because they feel he’s better than them, that is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the Jew to dress less Jewish.
Au contraire.
If you walk into a Reform gathering they’d feel the same way seeing someone wearing a yarmulka.
What are you ????? ?? ???????, Sam. The Jews dressed differently than the goyim 50 years ago, 25 years ago, 100 years ago and 250 and longer years ago. Me, my parents, grandparents, rebbeim and rebbeim’s rebbeim.
ubiq: If the Iran deal is anything less than dangerous for Israel, why is the entire political spectrum in Israel, from the far-right (Liberman et al) to the far-light (Lapid et al) and everything in between (Netanyahu, Herzog, Livni) dead set opposed it to in very stark and almost apocalypse terms?
Was Mehadrin the first post-war Cholov Yisroel mass food producer? (They started in 1949.)
Barry: At no time was the way the common Jew dressed not different than the way the goy dressed.
Gaavah and their embarrassment to dress differently from goyim.
His “views” change depending which way the wind is blowing.
He ain’t dropping out anytime soon.
@apushatayid: He’s respecting himself and society.
LinkedIn isn’t a social network similar to Facebook.