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That’s largely irrelevant, even had it been accurate, considering the statistics include inner city drug dealer-on-drug dealer crime and the fact that most crime victims are family or otherwise familiar with their victimizer, rather than the random type street violence. So the random terror attacks specifically directed at Jews in Israel victimizes us far more than any statistics including husbands being violent to their spouse or drug dealers shooting each other in bad neighborhoods.
BTW, Page 414 already has four threads. So this post didn’t take it to the next page.
A minhag for a groom-to-bride gift to “make” the engagement?
There is no reason it can’t be any other gemstone.
Is there any pre-De Beers minhag in yiddishkeit that any gemstone be given when getting engaged?
If Wolf sees this thread he’ll be sure to relate how he got engaged with a candy ring.
Should we light 414 candles on the cake?
I was talking about the general public.
In what sense?
But it would now be unacceptable to the kallah and in-laws not to do it
So this very expensive cycle of narishkeit should never be broken?
Comlink, smoking is a form of arrogance.
Lakewood is about to do that, it seems, with The Mechinah.
What’s “The Mechinah”?
Practically speaking, that’s often the case, regardless of policy.
Where are there yeshivas that exclusively cater wealthy families and other yeshivas that exclusively cater poor families?
De Beers, the international diamond conglomerate, had a successful advertising campaign 100 years ago convincing people that they need a diamond engagement ring.
Is every post using wry humor or an allegory deemed trolling?
O’Canada!
The Kosher Kitchen by Rabbi Binyomin Forst (Artscroll).
Asian society looks to Jewish society to learn how to learn and be smart.
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I know a family whose daughter was redt a top guy who could virtually pick any girl he wanted to marry and she would come running with her ring finger ready for him. Well, this girl was a simple girl from a simple home who liked simple things. But what is bashert is bashert, so her parents of course said yes.
Apikorsus.
VM: But then the malach flicked his finger under his nose causing him to forget everything.
No yeshiva calls five minutes before Shabbos.
Well, that explains it.
How did Ashkenazi Jews get so smart?
I suggested separating high potential students in order to cultivate them to their highest achievement.
They could still get married.
VM: “The results of Terman’s longitudinal study of gifted children suggest that IQ can play an important role in determining life success; but high IQ alone is not enough. Variables such as family background, socioeconomic status, and educational experiences as well as personality factors including motivation, willingness to work hard, being committed to goals, creativity, and emotional maturity are also strongly linked to success in life.”
So perhaps we should separate students by economic status as well?
VM: Why do you assume that IQ is very relevant in determining who will influence the world significantly?
The type of guy sensitive to rejection should be matched up with girls who are sensitive to rejection.
What do they accomplish?
Are girls parents’ concerned about rejection for their daughters’ shidduch redting? Should the girl be concerned about being rejected?
Yeshivas should aim for a 85 IQ.
Alternatively, there should be separate yeshivas for different IQ levels.
Dentists are the root of all evil.
“Arrogance is unbecoming a woman” – Megillah 14B.
For a man it is not an ornament, but for a woman it is as if she wore a mustache.
AUNT:
The current insecurity in Israel for the past 65+ years of war and terror is greater than the insecurity preceding it in any period. 20,000+ Jewish deaths and 100,000 Jewish maimed since 1947. What other 65 year period in Palestine or the Arab countries comes even remotely close?
Better economics is no excuse to have opened this endless cycle of wars and terror.
As far as keeping the Torah is concerned, there are some basics. A Jew lights a fire on Shabbos? Executed. A gentile eats meat from a living animal? Executed.
This is the only ???? I know of which suddenly becomes activated after marriage.
There are other things that become activated after marriage. Another thing that comes to mind is being the Shliach Tzibbur on the Yomim Noraim.
The Agudah doesn’t espouse the medina. They work within the system and medina institutions as they exist – because they exist and are the reality, even though they don’t like it. Even Brisk and Satmar, which does not work with the institutions of the medina and does not vote and does not even accept legally entitled educational funding, acknowledges that the medina exists because that is the reality.
The Jews also accepted and worked within the reality that Agrippa was King, Vespasian was the Roman Caesar and Titus was the General of the Roman legions during the last period prior to the destruction, even though surely they didn’t like it; they still had to pay homage to Rome.
I can tell you that we should prevent mamzeirus from happening; I can tell you what caused a certain historical case of mamzeirus to have occurred; but I don’t know if I can tell you what to do about a mamzer that has already been born.
The gemora talks about mamzeirum that were talmidei chachomim. So we should treat them with respect. It isn’t their fault but rather their parents fault. But they are still a mamzer.
rob, none of my above comments addressed post-facto what should or shouldn’t be done today as a result of the current setup. My comments were in the nature of a historical discussion and the result those historical activities have had on what we are experiencing today.
Sam: Jews have, at best, been treated as second class citizens virtually anywhere Jews have lived at least as long as we have been exiled since the destruction in our current golus. That is the point of golus, which still continues and will continue until Moshiach comes. It helps us remember we need Hashem to send Moshiach. The medina is not Moshiach and the medina certainly did not stop Jews from being treated badly. Not even in Israel. (65+ years of war and terror is not a first class or first world living arrangement.)
So we are “okay” with being treated as second class citizens so long as we can at least practice our Torah life even if it need be under the radar by trying not to rub shoulders too much with our non-Jewish neighbors. Better that than to poke the bear and be angry that it bites us. We lived far far better under Arab rule, both pre-Islamic and post-Islamic, than we did under European rule, both pre-Christian and post-Christian. And that was generally true for the past 2,000+ years until the advent of political zionism advocating (and then implementing) “Jewish” sovereignty over Palestine.
Sure there were exceptions both ways. Yes, there were isolated pograms in Arab countries. But peace was generally the rule for periods of hundreds of years. And 20,000+ Jewish deaths in Israeli war and terror victims since 1947 (and not even counting the pre-’47 Jewish victims) plus six digit numbers of maimed Jews in that same period, does not even remotely equate to any period of us living under Ottoman rule (or pre-Ottoman Arab rule) for any similar period of years. Both in Palestine itself as well as in other Ottoman and Arabic countries.
DY: ?
Even if not a single person becomes frum, even if they don’t keep the entire single Shabbos, some of them will have kept Shabbos for a few hours, not driven, heard some brochos, said amen, maybe went to shul, heard some divrei Torah, so they surely got a few mitzvos for coming for that Shabbos and it was well worth it.
G-d forbid but who can say what will happen in France, Great Britain, with their large Moslem minorities?
G-d forbid but who can say what will happen in Israel with a billion Moslems at their doorstep looking to annihilate it? You think Israel is safer for the Jews than Great Britain? You may think so and G-d forbid be surprised the next mass casualty incident takes place in Israel while the Jews in Great Britain remain safe. You think that the leaders don’t know but YOU know what the future brings?
You don’t want to live with a large Moselem minority? There’s Canada, Australia, the U.S., and other places.
RR: Those people have no right to sacrifice 20,000 Jewish lives. Additionally, it was only a subset of those people who made that decision against the will of others.
rob: That’s a canard. Millions of Jews weren’t trying to leave, didn’t ask to leave and those that did ask to leave could not get Visas since the doors elsewhere were closed. Including Palestine.
They aren’t “inducing terror”.
Who gave the right to sacrifice over 20,000 Jewish lives (and counting) and 100,000 maimed (and counting) to establish sovereignty?
If the goal is to ensure that our brothers and sisters in Arabia not endure the same fate, it can perhaps be best achieved by them moving to Australia or Canada.
A “silver platter” doesn’t constitute over 20,000 Jews killed in war and terror. And still counting more each year. And quadruple that for the number of maimed.
rob, you seem to have forgotten that HKB”H kicked us out of Eretz Yisroel.