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Futurepotus – I was just explaining why LB seemed to think that they do and what her question seemed to be based on. I wasn’t saying that I agree.
I have never seen such an umbrella, so I don’t feel qualified to have an opinion. It is possible that the whole idea is ridiculous but I don’t feel comfortable saying so if I don’t know what we are talking about. But I certainly don’t want to give over the impression that I think there may be something wrong with it either.
True. I just noticed that.
“PLEASE DONโT CONCOCT THINGS IN THE NAME OF POSKIM. RAV OVADIA SAID TO RECITE HALLEL WITHOUT A BRACHA โ WHICH IS SIMPLY RECITING PRAKIM OF TEHILLIM. THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. Rav Ovadia Yosef (Teshuvos Yabia Omer 6:O.C. 41)”
This is a common misconception. According to halacha, saying Hallel even without a bracha is not the same as saying Tehillim, and there are halachic problems with saying Hallel even without a bracha on a day on which one is not supposed to be saying Hallel.
There are shitas that hold that it is assur to say Hallel without a bracha on Yom HaAtzmaut even if they feel that the day is a day that should be celebrated.
I believe that those people who hold that Hallel (w/o a bracha) should be recited, often refer to this as “saying Hallel on Yom HaAtzmaut” (and don’t feel the need to add the words “without a bracha”). Of course, it doesn’t hurt to clarify for those who might misunderstand. But someone who does not do so is not saying something incorrect (since they didn’t say “with a bracha”).
I sent in a post that didn’t get posted, and I have been told that if I post something and it doesn’t get posted, I am not allowed to guess that it might have been a technical mishap (even if it seemed like a completely harmless post and one for which there would have been no reason for it to have been moderated), and to try to post again. ๐
But if</if> you really want to know, I wrote something like this:
After the cat eats the birds, the feathers are left.
Huh? I thought we can’t change our own titles – only the moderators can.
If someone has a list of 30 girls to go out with, then why is it a problem if he is “picky” and compares them to each other? He can’t go out with all of them anyhow, so he has to say no to most of them.
I don’t know if the topic at hand is older singles or younger singles, and perhaps the two should be evaluated separately. But when you are dealing with older singles, I think that a big part of the issue is that dating is very difficult. It is extremely draining physically and emotionally and it is very time-consuming and money – consuming (for girls as well as boys since they may have to spend a lot of money as well as time before the date in preparation).
I have never understood people who say, “just give it one date; what’s the big deal?” Dating is a VERY BIG deal!!! At least if you are the type who takes each date seriously, which is the way that one should date, imho.
And if you are an “older single”, chances are that you have already gone on at least 100 dates, and in some cases. over 500 dates. And you might not feel capable of going out on another 100-500 dates.
That is why many people feel that they can’t just go out with anyone unless the person really sounds like someone they want to go out with. I think that is very reasonable. That is also why I think that it might be a good idea to have another method by which singles can meet each other.
There definitely can be chesronos to other methods so they should not be used instead of the shidduch system, but only in addition to the shidduch system for those people who have already given the shidduch system a fair shot.
what happened to my post? Is it racist to talk about cats eating birds? or was that a technical mishap?
What post?
I am constantly second-guessing myself (and third-guessing, and fourth-guessing…) and I keep allowing myself to be brainwashed by society that I must be too picky if I’m single, so I keep rethinking about guys I said no to and forcing myself to look into them again and asking aitzah if I should really be saying no to them…. and you know what? I keep finding out that I really have good reasons for saying no, and when I ask aitzah, I am told not to go out with them. Or in some cases, I do go out and realize that I shouldn’t have.
There may really be some people who are too picky. But there are other times when people are not too picky, and being single and saying no to all the crazy suggestions you get doesn’t necessarily mean you are too picky even though society thinks it does.
One problem that I have found is that I try not to speak L”H, so I don’t tell people why I am saying no, so they make assumptions and assume I am too picky.
That being said, there really may be some people who are too picky about things that really aren’t so important. I think this may be common with guys in particular. I don’t know what the solution is. I’m not against speed dating, but I don’t think it will solve the problem.
I think that it would be good if there were more ways that singles (over a certain age) could meet casually, but I don’t think speed dating works so well. I think that maybe people should have over singles for Shabbos meals.
Torah is meant to be learned on various levels – pshat, drash, remez, Some people relate more to some ways and others to others. That being said, it is best to at least start with the pshat, but then there’s nothing wrong (an d a lot right) with looking deeper.
Sorry, I’m still having trouble with the link thing. The above quote was from Yekke2 – see link below
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/kabbalas-loshon-horo/page/2/#post-1259177
His source was:
LB – it seems that we do have to do it twice. When I did it once, it didn’t work.
I guess I still don’t have the link thing downpat – I’ll try again:
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14370&st=&pgnum=41
They are really cute in any case! Shkoyach!
post in the Coffee Room – I’m sure the posters in the Coffee Room have the solution to this problem!
Oh! Chas v’shalom!
Huju – I meant I was impressed by you.
And RY – thanks so much for sticking up for my friend! ๐
yeah, right. And it knows what Yom HaAtzmaut, etc. are.
It feels like one – but maybe I’m just tired. I did have to read it twice.
The way some of the posters were expressing themselves, it came across sounding like the entire Lag BaOmer was being pushed off to the next day. When people talk about “pushing off Lag B’Omer”, they are referring specifically to the bonfires which they wanted to be pushed off (either to daytime or the next night – I’m not sure which).
Some people think that it’s not a big deal – there is no chiyuv to light a bonfire on Lag B’Omer, so why not push it off if it might cause Chillul Shabbos.
However, the counter-argument is that some people (I think certain or all Chassidic Groups) have a very strong minhag concerning lighting bonfires on the night of Lag Ba’omer. It’s not just a “fun thing to do” but a very real part of their religous practices, and they do consider it a serious thing to push it off. And they don’t feel that they should change their minhag for the sake of people who don’t keep Torah and Mitzvos who would have been mechalel Shabbos anyhow and who don’t have to be mechalel Shabbos for the sake of the bonfire (if they were Shomer Shabbos, they would just spend Shabbos in Meron. The reason they aren’t is because they aren’t shomer Shabbos anyhow and they would be mechalel Shabbos either way).
Someone I know had the argument that it’s no different than people going to the Kosel on Shabbos which causes a need for security forces who are also mechalel Shabbos (by driving in on Shabbos, etc.).
I’m not taking sides here as I don’t feel qualified to do so. I just think that it’s important for people to realize there are two sides to the issue and they shouldn’t be so quick to judge. There are probably other factors involved that I don’t know about which is even more of a reason that no one should be judging.
Regarding the Boyaner Rebbe pushing off the bonfires to 3:00 AM, I’m not sure if that was what the Rabbanut was calling for originally. They may have been asking that no bonfires be lit at night at all, and that may be what people were taking issue with. In the above article, it mentions 4:00 AM. 4:00 AM is not 3:00 AM. 4:00 AM is practically daytime halachically, and perhaps they were concerned that by the time they really start, it really will be daytime.
So 3:00 AM may have been a compromise position on both sides.
Joseph, I managed to figure it out, so it can’t be too hard.
just saw your post Winnie – thanks for the correction.
I’m sure there are Rabbanim who say not to push off Yom HaAtzmaut.
But it’s true that it’s not the same as Lag B’Omer. It’s a bit harder to “push off” Lag B’Omer from a halachic perspective.
Not sure what point you are trying to make though?Funny true story: A Chareidi friend of my mother’s was in Bank Mizrachi in Geulah on Erev Yom HaAtzmaut one year. As she finished her transaction, the teller started to say, ืื ืฉืื. He then apologized and quickly corrected himself: ืกืืืื, ืฆืื ืงื
ืื ืืขืื ืืฉืจืื!
I just don’t like it when they are in my house.
Because it’s hanging out of the living room window, which is 2 feet away from the computer (actually, that ‘s an exageration – it’s probably more like 3 feet).
“I think itโs important to point out that the ืืืชืจ of ืืขืื ืืขืืจ does not apply in the case of ืืื ืืก ืื, which may well include a next door neighbor or a boarder.”
Thank you for pointing that out. I was wondering about that. I am pretty sure that I know people who relied on that heter for a boarder. On the other hand, I know people who were extra careful about yichud when I lived by them for that reason. I am guessing that it’s more complicated when the issue involves a single girl as opposed to a married lady and a teenage boy.
Who said she did?
say what? They are also following Rabbanim.
And feathers and cats do go together.
“Fasting? I thought you are supposed to eat a Seudah with an egg”
That’s before shkiyah.
Now that was loshon hora. You may follow different Rabbanim than they do, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t tzaddikim. There are different opinions regarding what the best thing is to do in that case, and some feel that it would be wrong to push off laga BaOmer.
“I have to fast again tomorrow?! ;P’
That would depend why you’re fasting. Are you fasting because of the creation of the state or because of the fact that there are Yidden who think it’s a cause for celebration?
Personally, if I were to fast, it would be because of the Israeli flag hanging two feet away from me that is making me nautious. But then I’d have to fast straight through Yom Yerushalayim, so I think I’ll pass.
Yehudayona – You’re welcome. Yeah, that would be funny. As I pointed out above, it might still happen.
I wonder if anyone does both…
Just to add – from what I recall from the past, there were people who would still celebrate Yom HaAtzmaut on ื ืืืืจ even when it was officially pushed off to ื ืืืืจ.
If you say Hallel because you feel that a ื ืก happened on ื ืืืืจ that requires that Hallel be said, then logically it should be said on ื ืืืืจ. The same would go for a Seudas Hodayah.
Although I would imagine that there some Frum people who don’t hold that way and DO say Hallel and/or have a Seudas Hodayah on ื ืืืืจ.
I did it twice. So I guess it works if you do it once, LB? Good to know.
Sorry, I just reread what you wrote. Not completely correct. He actually married Rachel after he married Leah but the deal was that he would then work another 7 years. But he was actually married to her during those 7 years (the second set).
Correct. A lot of people get confused about this because they know that he had to work 14 years for Rachel, so they don’t realize that he actually married her after the first 7 years.
Did it! It actually worked on the first try! Thanks, Mod 25 ๐
Yeah! Thanks so much, Mod 25!!! ๐
Perfect. You got it!
Also – I think it’s a joke. I don’t think there are too many people (if any) who literally say Kinos on the 5th of Iyar. If there are a few people who do, I would imagine they are not people who post in the Coffee Room ( um… actually, maybe they are… in any case, if it happens, I think it’s rare.)
I just want to make sure that I understand – are we supposed to copy the link two times – once within the quote marks and then again outside of the quote marks?