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Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
Sparkly – cuz you’re special!
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantI know – wanted to make sure it’s clear to Happy.
August 24, 2016 3:38 am at 3:38 am in reply to: Can you guess the outcome of this true story? #1174845Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantSam2 – I was thinking along those lines too, but it seemed too obvious, and after Happygirlygirl’s comment, I figured the answer must not be something obvious. Also, why would he ask the question if it’s obvious?
But, then again, just because it’s obvious to me, doesn’t mean it is to others, so you could be right.
I was thinking that maybe, like you said, the other guy figured out that the first guy was clearly planning to do split. If guy1 thought that he convinced guy2 to do split, there’s no reason for him to do take and split the money- if he’s going to split the money anyhow and he “knows” that guy2 is doing split, he may as well just do split, and even if he is worried that guy2 will do take after all, there still is no point in his doing take. If they both do take, no one gets the money, so he may as well do split. Therefore, the logical assumption is that guy1 will do split. If guy2 figured that out, he would do take, so he can get everything.
Mainly, I choose C because the answer is supposed to be surprising.
August 24, 2016 3:26 am at 3:26 am in reply to: Can you guess the outcome of this true story? #1174844Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantActually, I guess C
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAbsan, I don’t know if it was clear that that’s a question.
4. Is it someone from the Coffee Room?
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantyichusdik, the halacha is that you are not allowed to play a game on Shabbos that normally involves writing. This is the halacha, so it doesn’t matter what we think. But, it’s not comparable to a hand. The hand’s function is not writing; that is merely one thing it does. If you’re playing a game that doesn’t normally involve writing but you happened to have once or twice written while you played it, I would imagine that it’s not assur to play it on Shabbos.
btw, what we used to do when we were kids: even when we played Scrabble during the week, we would play w/o writing so that it would be muttar to play on Shabbos. We took a catalog or big book and turned the pages to keep track of the score. I’m not paskening that this makes it muttar to play on Shabbos (ask your own Rav) – I just remember that’s what we did as kids.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantI bought a kosher phone today. There are now 30,001 people with a kosher phone.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantJoseph, was there a particular reason you posted this now? Or was it because it’s always a message the oilam needs to be reminded of?
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantHuh? How many people were in the room when the girls came to him? Now I really don’t believe the story is true (as it’s told) – he definitely would not have embarrassed them in front of lots of people!!!
In any case, I never said it’s not true- I said I don’t believe it’s true the way it’s told.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantSyag, I think Joseph was actually being chivalrous even though he claims not to believe in the concept.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantModerators, why was this thread allowed to go through? It is pure motzi shem ra!
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantCoffee Addict – Emes is extremely important and it’s great that you have a passion for the truth. According to the Torah definition of Emes, Emes only includes things that lead to Shalom. That’s why we are supposed to lie for Shalom. Therefore, I think that in this case, Emes would dictate not starting a thread like this.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantMammele – good point.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantShould religious girls learn halachot and mussar on a frequent basis?
I discussed my view on the Rav Shach story (and stories in general) there.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantI meant that it’s either not true the way it’s presented, or possibly not at all. I never meant that it was just unimportant details that were changed. That was just a raayah that the story has been changed around. I wrote a post in the other thread explaining the problem with stories. I explained in even more detail in another thread in which this story was brought in.
The Rav Shach letter does not prove that this story took place the way it is told. I do not believe the story took place the way it is told.
Regarding your post in the other thread, I agree with you that the curriculum should be changed and more time spent on hashkafa and halacha. I think that it had changed a lot since I was a kid, and there is more hashkafa and halacha today, but there still may be room for more improvement. However, that has nothing to do with the topic that was being discussed. The topic had to do with whether girls should be learning, not with which subjects they should be learning.
What is the source of the Rav Shach letter?
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantHappygirlygirl – I’m so happy to hear that!
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantJoseph: “There’s an equally sorry state of femininity, with society pushing women to become like men. Given women’s nurturing nature, as you said, it would make sense to stress that by having them take care of, and show care to, their husband (or date) by opening the door for him.”
I agree (to some degree) with the first part, but I don’t think that’s the way to show nurturing. The ways that women show nurturing to men is different than the ways that men give to women. That’s why the term nurturing is used specifically for women and giving is used for men. The two do not have the same meaning and entail different things.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantChivalry: 2. The qualifications of a knight, as valor, nobility, fairness, courtesy, respect for women, protection of the poor, etc.
3.The demonstration of any of the knightly qualities.
Source: Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary.
There were approximately five definitions listed. None mentioned christianity.
Since we are Americans, it seems to me that the definition in Webster’s is more relevant to us than the one in Oxford’s.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantI just spent $3.00 to purchase a download of Rav Frand’s shiur entitled “Nasso 20- Walking behind a woman” from the Yad Yechiel website.
He first quotes the Gemara, Rambam and Shulchan Aruch who say that it is assur to walk behind a woman. He then brings the Tzitz Eliezer who raises the question regarding what to do if you encounter an Eishes Chaveir (wife of a Talmid Chacham). On the one hand, there is an obligation to show honor to the wife of a Talmid Chacham which would entail letting her go first. On the other hand, it is forbidden for a man to walk behind a woman.
The Tzitz Eliezer quotes the Trumas Hadeshen who states that he should let her go first since today we are not so careful not to walk behind women in general. The Tzitz Eliezer is puzzled by this – why should that make a difference? He came up with the following svara to explain the Trumas Hadeshen- it used to be that women did not go out and it was unusual to find a woman in the street so the sight of a woman was likely to lead to hirhur. However, today (in the Trumas Hadeshen’s times) it had become normal for women to be out on the streets, so it was no longer a problem to walk behind a woman.
The Tzitz Eliezer wrote his svara to Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach who was maskim to (accepted) it. Rav Shlomo Zalman also added that when manners dictate letting the woman go first, one should do so.
Rav Frand also added that Rav Dovid (I’m not sure who that is, but the guys present probably know) would tell bochurim when they were dating to hold open the door for the girl even though this would entail walking behind her. (although personally, I don’t see why this has to be the case. Why can’t she walk through the doorway and then move to the side?, but in any case, that seemed to be his assumption)
If anyone wants to listen to the shiur, they can purchase the download for $3.00. Please don’t argue with me about the topic until you have listened to the shiur.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAccording to halacha, you are supposed to eat meat on Yom Tov, at least l’chatchila. If it really bothers someone, they should ask a sheilah.
August 23, 2016 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm in reply to: Are ther Bedouin who didn't wear hats during Davening #1176648Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAbba_S: “Females who are not married do not require a head covering to pray.”
I’m so relieved to hear this! It will be so much easier to daven now that I know I don’t have to wear my burqa while praying! Thank you so much Abba_S for the info!
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantIn the original case we were talking about (the guy escorting the girl home) it’s a safety issue. That is part of chivalry. So is taking care of his wife after she gives birth, which I think I heard there are halachos about, although I’m not sure. Even if there aren’t specific halachos, it’s clearly a chiyuv in any case.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAnyone want to ask a question?
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantHappygirlygirl, are you around?
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantbtw, I just remembered that I actually do know how to make potato kugel too – I just haven’t done it in a while. Truth is, you can’t not know how to make potato kugel unless you don’t know how to read – all it involves is following the recipe. Another proof that the Rav Shach story isn’t true.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantMeno, I know. I was trying to be funny. You may be right about the reason. I had thought it had to do with my being single (at that age, the idea of a single 34+ year old is disconcerting); that’s why I tried to make a joke out of it (having people be shocked at my age is also somewhat disconcerting…)
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantI think there may be people here who are as old or older than me
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantHappygirlygirl – Why? is there an upper age limit to the coffee room? I thought they should establish a lower age limit.. but an upper age limit?
August 23, 2016 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm in reply to: Do you think it's ok to bring your kids to the beach? #1177349Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantapushatayid – that’s why I wonder if it’s appropriate to take a blind boy to a water park
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant2. Alive?
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantJoseph – we don’t always posken according to the Shulchan Aruch. In terms of this specific issue, Rav Frand has a recorded shiur on the topic that I’m sure you could get a hold of. I believe that Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach has a teshuva on it.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantSee we love and care about you Happygirlygirl even though we don’t even know who you are!
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantYeah.. well the literally part sounded like it…
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant1. Is she female?
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantThe Goq: Until I was approximately 34, it didn’t matter to me if the guy had a job or not as long as he was willing to go to work IF and WHEN it became necessary.
After that age, it became important to me that he be doing something in addition to learning. This could mean giving a shiur or a chabura once a week and it didn’t have to be paid work. This was mainly because I felt (and I’m not saying my feelings were necessarily accurate and apply to everyone) that at that age it may not be healthy for a single guy to not be involved in some sort of “work”. Also, in terms of parnassah, if a guy has never done anything besides learn (not even taught at all) by the age of 35 or 40, it would make me nervous that he will never be able to (again that’s just my personal feelings and may not apply to everyone).
Since girls can learn to cook and bake after marriage regardless of how old they are when they get married, none of that is really relevant to a girl. But I could see a guy getting nervous if a girl had never done ANYTHING in the way of housework or childcare and spent ALL her time learning or studying. I have yet to hear of a girl like that!
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantJoseph – not true. btw, I have heard that according to Halacha, since common courtesy nowadays is that the guy let the girl go first, he is SUPPOSED to let her go in front of him even though according to tznius it should be the other way. Apparently, we do believe in chivalry.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantMeno – lol, you think I would do the same thing for both games?
Answer – no.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantWell, nu? anyone guessing? Meno, you’re good at this. Sparkly, where are you?
August 23, 2016 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm in reply to: Are ther Bedouin who didn't wear hats during Davening #1176641Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAsk your Rabbi.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantMeno, thanks, glad you can agree with that (unfortunately some wouldn’t). No specific age is true – depends on so many factors…
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantMore lately than usual? Why is that? I only joined lately (is that why :)?)
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant29 – I guess so!!!! Scary to think about!! Do you delete a lot?
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantWhoa!! How’d you get it so fast?!!! Shkoyach!!
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantMeno – I wish others would follow your example and delete comments that don’t make sense! Problem is that they usually don’t realize it…
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantMeno – got it. Hadn’t been so clear to me.
If parents or others are willing to support so guy can learn or go to school, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantMeno & iacrsmma – great points!
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantPerson1 – thanks, getting a lot of validation from you today..
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAlso, I don’t know if you have to be accurate when it comes to stories. I remember once asking a sheilah about that regarding telling a story to make a point during a shiur and changing the details (either deliberately or because I didn’t know them – I no longer remember which), and I was told it’s fine.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantIn that case, I agree with theprof1 that this whole thread is LH/Motzi Shem Ra and should be deleted. Kind of defeats the purpose of going to see the video in the first place.
Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantPerson1: “I don’t like the attitude you describe either. I’ve never heard of a guy who asked a girl to travel on a first date. On one case a guy told the shadchan that he couldn’t date because he’s to busy and the girl offered herself to travel.”
Thank you for the validation! I feel better now – I was beginning to feel like I was selfish for expecting the guy to travel the first time. Honestly, I don’t think it’s about selfishness, but my concern about what it shows about the guy. And like I said, I don’t think it’s a good start for a relationship. A girl at Neve once told me that her teacher told her that it’s good for her relationship with her boyfriend for her to allow him to give to her because as Rav Dessler says, giving leads to love.
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