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I find this thread amis ng. Everyone is is making assertions, claims and statements, during percentages, without a shred of value statistical evedudence or documentation
Lu, you keep justifying your opinions by using the ambiguous “many people”. How many is many and please cite use actual stats ( and cite your sources ) to support your claims
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Lu,. If you are ignorant about history, why are commenting?
LU, you’re new to the CR. This is the first year that I can recall that that debate didn’t come up.
With regard to your other point, that being Jewish and an American are incompatible when it comes to American holidays. However, when it comes to Medicaid, school bussing and other benefits, our hands are out , shouting that we’re Americans, we are entitled, just like the goyim.
Thanksgiving never was a religious holiday. That myth is always cited by people looking to justify not celebrating. The first national day of Thanksgiving was declared by the first Congress to meet under the new Constitution in the 1780’s to give thanks to G-d for the new Constitution. Southern Congressmen had objected to the declaration because it was something that European kings did. Roger Sherman of Connecticut argued that they were actually following the example of King Solomon, who thanked G-d for allowing him to build the Temple. The Southerners said they had no problem emulating Solomon and approved the declaration.
While it is true that the local church instituted a Thanksgiving prayer, so did the Spanish and Portuguese synagogue, which was then located just down the street from Federal Hall, where Congress met.
Health, in your antizionidt quest, you conveniently ignore that hatred of Jews ( Crusader massacres, numerous expulsions, pogroms, blood libels ) did not require the existence of the Medina
Ellison is being supported by our alleged supporter of Israel, Chuck Schumer
Kiryas Joel. It’s the upstate NY town controlled by one of the satmar brothers
If the only proof you have is the quote from a bitter wife in a divorce case ( a quote that he denies ) then you are truly a sad individual
Mosheach, the official name is the Affordable Care Act. Obamacare is a nickname
CT, please take off your Obama rosy glasses. You are the one who is generalizing. Obama care required a one size fits all insurance plan that included all possible conditions. Besides being expensive, that is why Obama’s promise that you could keep your current policy was a lie; it was canceled if it didn’t cover everything. Existing Obama care policies carry enormous ( upwards of $10,000 ) in order to lower the expensive premiums. Most exchanges now have only one carrier,who can now charge high premiums without competition. With regards to Medicaid, most states in the south and west chose not to expand their Medicaid programs. Obamacare largely didn’t affect kollel families as , for the most part, they were already on Medicaid.
It has had other negative effects on people’s incomes and employment. Many employers, to avoid paying for Obamacare have kept part-timers hours under 30 per week and total employees to under 50. My employer , a large hospital, despite significantly raising deductibles , has had to significantly raise our premiums,
Obama created part of the problem by reneging on promises by granting exemptions to large unions that supported him. This allowed them to keep their existing policies and kept out thousands of young healthy people whose premiums had been counted upon to offset the costs of the preexisting patients
Has anyone hear mistakenly claiming that all goyish music has cursing ectually listened to goyish music? None of the misc I listen to has cursing.
Joseph, a. Rav Miller was never the Gadol Hador. B. He was a communal rabbi for less than sixty years, not seven decades. C. His pulpits were small shuls in Massachusetts and in Brooklyn. Unless these s.all shuls were havens of marital unhappiness, what was his basis for making the seemingly absurd statement that 99? of all divorces are unnecessary? How many divorces was he involved with?
They’re lousy fruits, largely inedible
It’s almost all rind
Benignuman, when Rav Fienstien was alive he was considered the unquestioned Gadol Hador. Except for you and Joseph, I’ve never heard anyone consider Rav Miller a Gadol let alone the Gadol. He was a Yu graduate , the Rav of the Young Israel of Rugby and,to the best of my knowledge, was not a posek. He was a talmid chachom but not a Gadol
LU, by now you’ve seen that Joseph’s practice is to either not have sources to back up his halachic claims or to misquote or take statements out of context so as to make it appear the source supports his position. Given that, you can be assured that he probably did the same with Rav Miller
Joseph, once again you make exaggerated statements with absolutely nothing to back it up.
Please substantiate , and please don’t drag in Rabbi Miller by attributing unproven. Paine of “vast” numbers of divorces
Ash, the problems arise when groups set up a site without permits or permission, and by the time authorities are not and arrive all that’s left is an unsightly smelly mess
Joseph, I’ve asked before and you’ve never responded. If civil court is Assur, why are your heroes, the Satmars, been slugging it out in civil court for years?
If, as people have stated, the jammers are illegal, what’s the point of this discussion?
Health, don’t make assumptions, particularly when you don’t know my beliefs. APY, my assumption, if incorrect, is a tendency by posters to condone behavior by frum Jews that are condemned when done by others
Apushatayid, so do you also consider the chareidi mobs that riot in Israel thugs?
DY, it wasn’t answered. The silence was justified for different reasons. The same way their long time silence on molestation has been defended
Iac, no disagreement
Curious about two things:
1.I’ve never been on a MO shul where women wore pants during davening
2. In the chareidi soldier thread, gedolim were excused for keeping silent . Why the double standard?
People don’t need Google to be misinformed. Rav Miller was never the Gadol hador.
Why would the RCA care about anything said hare?
This wasn’t so terrible. It’s not like they had a TV in a sports bar.
Seriously, Geordie and DY, why shouldn’t that logic be applied to the coffee room? Why do posters criticize Zionism, MO , OK etc when they also don’t come from their community? The same applies when the above group gods after charaidi etc.
The other thing that I thought would bother more people is how the gedolim were defended. They were portrayed as helpless and isolated, totally at the mercy of controlling askanim for information about the outside world
The left is largely silent on this but Cuba did not not have an Aids epidemic comparable to the the US because Castro qarantined anyone diagnosed with HIV
Without the TV’s it’s no longer a sports bar. A sports bar/restaurant in the five Towns has been open for several months with no controversy
MA, why would I discuss it ( I have it ). Every company I worked for offered life insurance as part of the benefit package.
Do you have health insurance? According to you having it says that you don’t have bitachon.
Insurance is for your dependents, not your afterlife.
LU, my final comment. In your original post re the rosh yeshiva said that you were assuming his rationale. It wasn’t until much later that you said you had personal involvement. Had you said that originally, I wouldn’t have made my comment. And, yes, as originally posted, I find nothing wrong with finding fault with a claim of healthy smoking
DY, and in NJ it’s $8.20 and I’m amazed people don’t wonder where teens get the money from to spend on an unhealthy, dirty and addictive habit. In addition, it’s more posts probable to assume healthy means physical, not mental, when saying that smoking is healthy.
Besides all the other issues, cigarettes in New York cost $14 a pack! How is spending that kind of money on cigarettes justified, especially if you’re in kollel?
DY, that is what LU said the bochure said. LU doesn’t dispute the statement; LU is trying to justify the statement by qualifying it with pure speculation as to the rosh yeshiva’s motives.
LU, how an a rosh yeshiva claim smoking is healthy?
Joseph, I congratulate you on coming up with an innovative way to prove a point when you have no sources. Simply claim that the relevant Gemorah would support you if it hadn’t been censored.
Do you have the original text to prove your point?
Seriously, your position is a dangerous one. What would you say if an OO rabbi used your argument to get around a Gemorah that he found troublesome?
Joseph, you’re missing the point. The victim is frum online retailer aho had to come up with a way to deter the shopper’s who treat the business as a gemach.
Lu, why is making people aware of murky, quasi illegal practices motzei Shem Ra?
Unfortunately, people treat the stores as gemach. My sister and her friends do it all the time. They “buy” a dress for a simcha and then return it. The Wal-Mart near Monticello was treated by bungalow families as a toy gemach. Taking advantage of Walmarts liberal return policies, toys were purchased at the beginning of the summer, returned at the end.
Giving only store credit deters this practice. The owner of the Boot Park dress shop where my wife bought a dress told her she offers store credit only because she was tired of being a gemach ( and the returnees didn’t even bother to have the dresses cleaned before returning them)
Unless you live on the eastern end of Long Island
Why don’t you contact NCSY directly?
Joseph., your concept of responsibility domestic chores went the way of the dodo bird when kollel wives ( being the breadwinner ) and wives of working men ( yeshiva tuition )
have to work.
LU, my point was that whether Jewish or not, the reasons why customs continue beyond the original reason have no logic.
Joseph, we do live in a Western country. We’re citizens not just when it comes to accepting Medicaid , Section 8, bussing and other government benefits. It also means respecting customs involving courtesy
Joseph, you of all people should know that customs have no basis in logic. There minhagim we continue when the original reason is gone .Why should door opening be any different? One wH of opening the door is no better than the other, it’s simply become a custom.
LU, I was in Manhattan recently and I couldn’t believe the number of people crossing streets, walking on stairs while staring at phones tablets.
It was a joke
Joseph, little I know is right about what Kollel should be. Kollel as we know never existed in Europe. Jews were too poor to support anyone who wasn’t talented enough to be a Talmud chachom , rosh yeshiva etc . Ironically, it was the baby boomers who went to yeshiva AND worked that funded the current system. As the boomers age out and pass, the system will contract. A friend supports two sons in a Lakewood kollel. However, there is no way fifteen years from now that they’ll be able to do the same for their sons. The contraction won’t happen tomorrow but it’s inevitable.