LerntminTayrah

I don’t eat beis yosef meat ( ie “kelber glatt”, ie beis yosef chumros but also Rema chumros) because
1.Our mesorah is like the Rema
2. We currently do Hungarian glatt which only allows 2 small ririn- treif according to beis yosef but we ashkenazim have a right to our mesorah. I asked my rav if I should be makpid on “kelber glatt” and he told me no.

The old seforim do NOT talk about modern Lubavitch, as the Rebbe went further than most chassidim with violations of the 13 ikkarim. So safeik apikorsus lechumra, and stay away. Gedolim said this, not just LMT in the Coffee Room. Ask your rabbeim and your rav. I’m not your poseik, neither is anyone else here. But you can look at the 13 ikkarim yourself, and see how the kashyes are much stronger than the teirutzim.

The Rashab may have been friendly with the litvish gedolim, but was the beginning of the breakaway from the rest of klal yisroel when he came out with the idea that learning Gemara with meforshim was for galus, and his “Tomchei temimim” talmidim should focus on “chassidus” to bring geulah instead of the gemara like Litvish yeshivas did. He also put out pamphlets saying the Litvish yeshivas were full of kefira. (This is in Making of a Gadol for those who need a source) .

This led to the “Shangai” disputes over who is a ben Torah worthy of the chaluka from Rav Kalmanowitz zt”l and Rav Aharon Kotler zt”l and who should rely on the Joint Distribution Committee. Rav Aharon kotler zt”l was also bitterly attacked by Rav YY Schneerson for meeting with various reshoim to save Jews. Rav Kotler zt”l responded with “I would bow to the Pope if it saved one nail of a Jewish child”. (A Fire in His Soul)
More on this can be found in the book of Bryan Mark Rigg, “Rescued from the Reich”

As mentioned, Chabad believes that only learning chassidus can bring the geula. And I mentioned how many gedolim hold that Chabad as kept in Crown Heights is kefira or apikorsus. So as a good “zeh neheneh vezeh neheneh” compromise, you can learn Tanya on your own. So you are bringing the geula lefi Chabad but avoiding the kefira/apikorsus of Lubavitch according to the gedolim of your mesorah.

Mishna brura is rather explicit that there is no heter to violate other mitzvos while fulfilling this one. It’s a milsa yadua that many young drunk bochurim miss krias shma shel arvis and krias shma shel shacharis, never bentch properly, etc. As per the explicit mishna brura, Shichruso Shel Lot is wrong. The yeshivish people in this thread pretending it’s an MO cchumra instead of a mishna brura halacha are mind-boggling. Halacha bemkoma omedes.
This is forgetting about vechay bahem being doche yom kippur, kol shekein a mitzvah derabanan that is only according to some shittos.

Any gadol who spoke out against chabad becomes a target of a smear campaign to say he’s a koton. So no need. to smear gedolim unnecessarily But they’re out there. So ask your mesorah why they’re against chabad.

For the record there’s chabad non-Lubavitch that you can get into, eg the mesorah of the Rogatchover , the Malach zt”l, or others. The Beis Haleivi married the daughter of a Lubavitcher, so obviously Litvaks held of Lubavitch early on.

Mishna brura is quite clear that there is no heter to be mevatel mitzvos deoraysa . Many teenagers don’t end up saying krias shma shel arvis and are yatza scharo behefseido. If you’re makpid to go by the mishna brura year round, the why should Purim be any different?

Anybody who decides anything based on coffee room posts instead of speaking to daas Torah wants to be misled.

If Jews using something makes it holy, then a nafka bayis used by Jews is holy.

Again, please quote a source for that other than “only deniers will deny that”. Your insistence doesn’t make it true. You need a source.

I do argue on Yiddish being equivalent to French. Rav Yaakov Emden came out strongly against the learning of French instead of lashon kodesh, saying it leads to bad things. It’s mentioned by the Kav Hayashar with the footnotes saying the source.

Even the Stmar Rebbe only said Yiddish is holy because through yiddish Satmar yidden stay separate from the goyim. The German, Polish, Russian, and Hungarian words certainly aren’t holy.

There is holiness in yiddish based on
1. Loshn koidesh verter in Yiddish
2. Expressions based on Torah, like shep nachas (“scoop nachas”, similiar to hseplefl a scoopiong spoon or ladle ) based on the pasuk in koheles about tov melo kaf nachas , a spoon of nachas is better.

But none of that is intrinsic to Yiddish.

Ein adam meisim atzmo rasha.

Used to be a guy in my yeshiva who would walk around saying “oy what a rasha I am”. I went to him and said “oy lerasha oy leshcheino. Hi neighbor!”

He wasn’t happy with that
We’re all going to the place of fire, but at 350 you bake and at 500 you burn. Keep the fires closer to 350 not 500.

Here is the kitzur shulchan aruch talking about the Yiddish sefer tze’ena ure’ena. Notice no love for Yiddish here. It’s just another foreign language.

וְאִם לָאו בַּר הָכִי הוּא יִלְמַד פֵּרוּשׁ אַשְׁכְּנַזִי (לוֹעֲזִי) עַל הַסִּדְרָה, כְּגוֹן סֵפֶר “צְאֶינָה וּרְאֶינָה” וְכַדּוֹמֶה, שֶׁיָּבִין עִנְיַן הַסִּדְרָה.

My source is mishna brura 307.5 which says to say shabbas shalom, “or as we say in mundane language” (ie yiddish, the language he spoke) Shabsa Tava (“gut shabbes”)

So he spoke yidisha and called it a lashon chol. Others referred to it as lashon ashkenaz, the Germanic tongue. Teitch literally means deitch, the Germanic language.

Neville, your protest is noted for the record. Nevertheless, Rabbi Bender, Artscroll, and my own experiences say otherwise.

As a reminder, these protests of “of course chassidim are makpid on zman krias shma, there’s a befeirush sign up in shul!” aren’t a kashye on me. They are a kashye on Rabbi Bender and Artscroll that published this as a davar matzui. Feel free to call up Darchei and Artscroll and ask them. Again, pok chazu. Ask the chassidim who daven at these 10 am or 11 am shacharisses if they were makpid on zman krias shma, and report back your findings.

Rav Yaakov Bender put out a book a few years back called “Chinuch with Chessed”. One question he deals with is how to tell your kid to be makpid on zman krias shma when his chassidish zeidy doesn’t care about zman krias Shma. He explains how you should stress its halachic importance but say zeidy has a mesora or something like that. But clearly it’s a real issue and common enough to address in a book, not something that I made up.

Neville, when a chassidish minyan starts at 9:40 on a shabbos, ask around how many of the congregants actually said krias shema. Tell me what you find. Nefesh Hachayim made this point as well. Rav Shwab famously said about the Satmar Rebbe that he would have accepted him as his rebbe if not for the zman krias shma thing which the Satmar Rebbe ignored.

Pronunciations- litvish said Ay rhymes with pay. In Brisk they still speak of “tayreh”. Anyone who had a litvish rebbe knows it’s Teyreh not Toyrah. But those days are gone.
Chassidim say oy. American yeshivas apparently adopted “klal yiddish” which meant saying oy but pronouncing everything else litvish style. so it’s oyb azoy instead of ayb azay.

As the Yemenites, who have meticulously preserved pronunciation mesorah, say “O” instead of “oy”, or “ay” “O” is clearly the preferred pronunciation. “Oy”, which yeshivish people act as if it’s a chumra over the modern “O”, is actually a kula since “O” is more correct.

But at this point, saying “oy” is a mistake is pointless. That ship has sailed as well.

To be more precise, the main yeshiva in America was Torah Vodaas, which was half-chassidish. America’s strong chassidish influence meant that it became yeshivisah to say “oy” instead of “ay” (Toyre instead of “Tayreh”) and black and white became the norm. Decrying this now is as silly as the “Zionism is evil” crowd decrying Zionism 70 years after losing that battle.

I once saw a statement from Rav Hutner zt”l on this. He was a slick Slabodka dresser and dressed chassidish after the war. He said that
1. It actually started with Rav Yisroel Salanter, who felt that the bochurim were looked down upon by baalei battim and needed to look like they weren’t nebs
2. He changed because he wanted to show the world what a Jew looked like after churban Europe which wiped out most of the Jews.

Also, like Berel Wein said, the Mussar Movement lost. So white shirts black pants it is.

To be clear, most people aren’t wearing that to make a statement. They wear what everyone else wears. The uniform of a Ben Torah today is white shirts black pants.

Like any language, you need to both listen to it and read it to learn. As was mentioned above, there are many dialects of Yiddish, from the fake yivo yiddish (shik mir a blitz breev” instead of “shik mir a email” to modern yiddish. You need to start from the bottom up. Once you got the basics you can worry about nuance. So by all means, first learn proper yiddish, then you can tzu leyg (add on) modern yiddish.
Sheva Zucker has 2 books on college yiddish. Eichler’s sometimes has a book called der yiddish lehrer, a good beginner’s book. Lily Kahn has a book called Colloquial yiddish.
Then, you need to listen to spoken yiddish. Even if you get nothing, it’s helpful. It trains your brain in Yiddish phenomes, the same way you learned as a baby. So listen to Rabbi Avraham Karp’s daf yomi, or shiurim from kol halshon or torah anytime in yiddish.
Once you got some basics, a great way to expand your vocabulary, if not so yeshivish, is the back2 basics sichas, which are translated sichas of the Lubavitcher Rebbe with hard words and loose translation every other page. Google it and you can find a page with 10 free ones. Otherwise they sell books. Not for everyone of course but great tool.