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Shelmay – Thanks for your thoughts on the issue.
You probably meant Rav Dessler in Kuntres HaChesed instead of Kuntres Habechira. The Kuntres HaChesed is a must for any spiritually striving-thinking individual.
lbmzrMemberyitayningwut – The ????? at the end of my last post was my own – not a quote from the ???”?. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
BTguy – Obviously, one of the goals of working is to make money to pay for good things. However, someone who works at a job only to make a buck, is going to have a sour taste with the job itself.
The kiddush hashem concept is a good answer, as is the answer that we are supposed to utilize the Torah to act properly in the world.
But, there is a big BUT. To act properly, one has to know the Torah first. There is so much ???? ???? that could be put into use; so much ?????? ??????, so many priorities to set correctly. And for that, the more Torah one knows, the more he can act accordingly. I personally will know enough Torah to be confident to go into the world in around 40-50 years!
lbmzrMemberfar east – The Rambam does seem a bit extreme. I don’t want to offend anyone. Why don’t you check the original quote yourself?
I apoligize if it is a little off the topic of this thread, I just brought it in to back up something a different contributor wrote.
lbmzrMemberyitayningwut – Thanks for the food for thought.
Naftush – To clarify: I didn’t write that working is not part of ????? ???. I merely asked how one can be ????? with his work at the level needed for proper ????? ???.
To reinforce Csar’s position about the ??? ????? of the working world, here’s a quote from the ???”? in his ????? ?????? ???????.
“??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ???? ????? ???”
He explains there (pg. 55 in ?????? ??? ????) that the purpose of all the people that are working out there – even though they’re not too intelligent – is to provide for those that attain the ???? ??????.
???”? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??????
lbmzrMemberCsar – That story comes from ?’ ???? ??????. It is not a very satisfactory solution for our situation. Remembering that one is doing something crazy for 40+ hours a week! is not going to keep your spirits up to the level needed for proper ????? ???.
What yitayningwut quoted is more helpful, but a better understanding is needed to fully apply those lessons.
lbmzrMemberyitayningwut – Thanks for the ???? ????. These quotes are actually tremendous ???????. To compare our working to ???”? ???? ???? means that there is an purpose to working even without the ???? of “????? ??? ???? ???”!
Perhaps ??”? can support this too. (??”? (?????? ?:?? says on the ???? of ????? ??? the following: ???? ???? ?? ????. It can be explained to mean that was added with this ???? was the quantity of work. But there may always have been a need to make a living.
All this needs an explanation. Why? After all isn’t “Csar” correct?
To quote “But to spend the gift of life that Hashem gives us for such a short time in this world selling cars or programming computers or whatever we need to do to make a living, is insane.”
yytz – R’ Horowitz is correct that there is a need to have a parnassah. However, how can one do it eagerly, ?????, if he is spending his wonderful ????? to accomplish something petty like computer program or the like?
Does anyone have anything to say on the second point of my original post? What are the challenges to a frum person in a secular workplace?
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