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Hashem is Ultimate Good. You have two advisers Truth and Mercy. The two don’t have the same results. If they have the same results, no choice is necessary. He chooses the one which is better for the individual. How that is decided we don’t know.
They both can be for the good of the person with different results.
His behavior is judged either with midas harachamim or midas hadin.
If he is found a tzadik, he is punished for his not good deeds in this world in order he should get full rewards in the next world, whereas a rasha will get his rewards for his good deeds in this world in order to get punished for his bad deeds in the next world. This is good for both because this is what they desire.Avi K, The Rishonim called Maseches Beitza, Maseches Yom Tov some call it Masches Beiah because of its connotation. The Magen Avraham says not to say beitza but beiah.
Sometimes being merciful is not good because it encourages bad behavior. Only Hashem knows what is good for the person.
I don’t think that these are two things. The goodness brings to the right judgement either by mercy or truth whichever is good for the individual.
yes, the Baal Haikerim says that the goodness of Hashem brings us to love him even though you can only love someone who is like you because you want to emulate someone who does good and you will follow him in his deeds.
RebYidd23, A religious atheist isn’t that an oxymoron?
RebYidd23 Thank G_d that we have protection for freedom of religion.
Some say freedom of religion but not freedom from religion being an atheist. The Pilgrims and Puritans were religious who escaped from England after their discrimination brought about this part of the First Amendment.I would say the essence which dictates to either follow mercy or din as it says חסד ואמת יקדמו פניך mercy and truth come infront of you.
I will illustrate: The Ohr Hachaim Hakodash in Parshas Beshalach on מה תצעק אלי דבר אל בני ישראל ויסעו why scream to, me talk to the jews and tell them to move, asks why does tefila not help? He answers that there is a time when din, judgement rules, so we need to create an action to make mercy rule. When they showed their sacrifice by throwing themselves into the water, they converted din to rachamim.
It does not mean that you can’t respect someone else’s religion if yours is different. It is better if they have a religion respecting others than being an atheist where they have no one to be responsible to.
We say on Yom Kippur הס קטגור וקח סנגור quite the accuser and take the defender.
TheFakeMaven, Hashem is all just. There are two characteristics mercy and judgement. They are represented by malochim, defenders סנגור and קטגור accusers. Hashem according to His knowledge and understanding follows one of them. The best is when both groups agree as no choice needs to be made.
According to the Meshech Chachmah on אף גם זאת בארץ אוביכם who says that antisemitism in, a small amount, is good for us in order not to get assimilated and remember that we belong in EY.
It means that the mercy and the judgement agree to the action.
I have posted the Lakewood Rabonim and the statement of Agudas Israel.
I agree with Yichusdig it is not our job to attribute this to their wrong doing, The people killed were a tinuk shenishbo and died innocently.TheFakeMaven, I don’t think you have any proof from there, ה’ refers to the good and אלוקיך for the bad that follows the beginning of the pasuk.
STATEMENT OF AGUDATH ISRAEL OF AMERICA ON MURDER DURING A SHABBOS SERVICE IN A PITTSBURGH SYNAGOGUE
The murder of eleven people during a Shabbos service this morning in a Pittsburgh synagogue is a horrific tragedy and an outrage. Our deepest sympathies go out to the mourning families and friends of the victims who were targeted because they were Jews. We extend our deepest gratitude to the law enforcement personnel who arrived at the scene and captured the murderer. We also thank law enforcement across the country who are ramping up security measures around houses of worship.
`There are simply no words of condemnation that can truly express our anguish and disgust at the perpetrator of this hate-fueled act or others like it. Any platform or group, including those on social media, that serves to stir up and metastasize bigotry and anti-Semitic hatred, needs to be called out and shut down for incitement of violence. Until all Americans confront the horror of anti-Semitism head on, our great Democracy will not have achieved its promise.
May those who were injured in today’s senseless violence have a speedy and complete recovery from their wounds.
They apply the pasuk הקל קול יעקב והידים ידי עשו Yaakov is suppose to accomplish things with his voice and not with arms, let others protect us and at this time, those who sit at learn, should do so.
TheFakeMaven, Does you name reflect your being? What do you do with the pasuk Devorim 28:63 והי’ כאשר שש ה’ אלקיך להטיב אתכם And it will be that the way Hashem rejoyces to do good for you.
Look at the Rambam Hilchas Yesodei Hatorah 1:9 as I explained above.
TheFakeMaven, Have you ever heard the expression כדי להסביר את האוזן we don’t know what applies to Hashem. We use the expression כביכול but we speak according to our understanding as the hand, eyes and ears of Hashem. This is called צמצום minimizing Him for our understanding. We use love and hate and therefore we can say He enjoys giving. See the Rambam in his explanation.
Avi K, Why can’t the will of Hashem be to share with others because He enjoys giving?
Avi K, I was questioning the Rambam in Morei Nevuchim that you were
quoting.It says אם למדת תורה הרבה אל תחזיק טובה לעצמך if you learned much Torah don’t praise yourself כי לכך נוצרת for that is why you were created. Says the Binah Leitim, don’t keep the best for yourself because that is why you were created to pass it on. I said כל הלומד תורה שלא לשמה one who learns to Torah for his own benefit, not passing it on, מוטב לו שלא נברא it would have been better if he was not born, because he is not keeping the purpose of creation. כל שרוח הבריות נוחין ממנו if people get a benefit from him because he is passing on Torah, רוח המקום נוחה הימנו Hashem gets joy from him, because he follows the purpose of the creation of the world.
Avi K, The problem is how do you explain that Hashem did not become greater by creating the world if He created it for Himself.
The world was created for our benefit and not Hashem’s. The midrash in Tehilim on the pasuk עולם חסד יבנה the world was created with favor, compares this to a king who has storerooms of all kind of goods. He says, what should I do with this? I will distribute and share this with my servants and the only thing I ask them is that they should show appreciation for it. See the Binah Leitim for more detail. Therefore, our purpose is also to share our wealth and knowledge with others to emulate Him.
StuartW , Thank you for clearing that up. I learned Torah in yiddish so my english might not be the most articulate. We try to avoid talking about gilgulim as the gemora avoids it.
The USA is not my birthplace. You should listen to my accent. I am an
emigrant from Hungary who graduated from Brooklyn College with a BS degree and went to NYU Courant Institute in Mathematics.StuartW , ” It is hard to be a light upon the nations when you can’t talk to the nations properly.” sorry this is not complimentary.
StuartW, you must be an english teacher. A joke is told where someone arrives to the next world. The gate keeper asks, who is this? He answers,
it is I. He says to him, you must be an english teacher.StuartW – I am questioning, you announcing to everyone, don’t you make a bigger transgression than I misusing a word? You know ashaming someone in public is a big aveira. Besides, by can also mean next to.
It says in Pirkei Avos איזהו עשיר השמח בחלקו if a person is satisfied with what he has, he will no be jealous of what others have, look at people having less than you. Recognize that whatever you have is not only your doing, but it is acquired with the help of Hashem.
StuartW, They ask the question, why Hashem tested Avraham with the Akedah even though He knew he can withstand it? The answer is that the experience made Avraham better or others can learn from it.
It says in the Hagaddah, whoever tells Yetzias Mitzraim in great detail, הרי זה משבח they traslate, becomes himself better. האמנתי כי אדבר I streghten by belief when I speak.Reshaim are a bad influence, so the tzadik can mix with them and become like them or avoid them. It becomes like in Shir Hashirim a rose among the thorns which makes them avoid bending either way and they end up growing straight.
Maybe the right does the conspiracy through the president not being civil against his opponents creating an encitement against them?
Halevi, whether the legend is true or not is irrelevant. The importance is to learn to reach our potential.
Tell them to look at Rav Yair Hoffman’s article of how many averos they violate fot their own selfishness.
Trying to answer your original question that tzadikim feel jealous and embarassed of other tzadikim that is provided they did not reach the level of Moshe Rabbenu who reached his full potential. Our assignment in this world is to reach our full potential so we are jealous of other tzadikim who reached their potential. The jealousy of other tzadikim is not like getting welfare where someone did not do anything to earn his keep.
The Tiferes Yisroel at the end of Kidushin tells the story where king commisioned his painter to paint a picture of Moshe Rabbenu. He asked his advisers to interpret the picture. They said that the picture indicates that he was a murderer. The king got upset, the painter said they did not interpret it correctly and the advisers said that he did not paint it correctly. So the king decided to see by himself how he looks like. He took his anterage to see him. He was suprised to see that he looked exactly as painted. He asked him, how can you be a leader and look like this? Moshe Rabbenu told him that his job is to fight his nature. The Tzetil Katan from the Noam Elimelech that our job in this world is to fight and over come our nature.