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My concern is so many Frum feel Tikun Olam was hijacked by the Reform that they’ll go out of their way to avoid it. Tikun Olam is not a social justice crusade of the Reform. It’s the purpose of Yiddishkeit.
There’s an old historic cemetery (not many Frum buried there) here with constantly accumulating trash. Many Non-Frum groups take turns cleaning it up. Frum boys also take turns. Can you appreciate the visual when Non-Frum media posts pictures of Non-Frum volunteers and then there’s also a group of boys with Yarmulkes and Tzitzis also helping to clean? It says we’re all one people, we’re all in this together, we all need to take care of each other. Perhaps this explains why, as a major Frum author wrote, here the Non-Frum support the Frum at a much higher rate than anywhere else.I prefer Moe Howard (Moishe Horowitz) to Trump. He’s a natural born leader. How many times did he smack Curley and Larry without them smacking back?
“Those who say, don’t know
Those who know, don’t say”It was about Yibum so there was a lot ridin on it. If it was declared hers she provided a son and she was free to remarry. If it Was her mother in laws. It is was her dead husband’s brother and she would have to wait 13 years til he was old enough to do Yibum to remarry
Randomly guess answers and if you don’t do well blame it on Antisemitism.
A person I grew up with here had a house that was around during Slavery. I’m not sure if their family owned Slaves but the garage was converted from Slave quarters, the kitchen was setup not very nice because it was Slaves doing the cooking so they didnt care, and there were buttons to press which would summon the Slaves.
A friend of mine who came from Iran told me they used electricity there on Shabbos (not for everything).
Jews in America owned slaves though I don’t know how Frum they were. Also, since Jews didn’t really own plantations but lived in cities they generally owned 2-5 slaves that worked around the house, maid, butler, driver, nanny, etc.
Amil,
So you want to ban the M1 Garand used in WWII?Reb Eliezer,
What is an “Assault Weapon” and if you name a few features how are you going to stop people from building legal ones without those features? And if you keep banning more features how are you going to not ban guns that should be legal? i.e. a standard hunting rifle.Huju,
According to those that lived then you’re quite mistaken. In New York there was a Rabbi Raphall (who talked himself up to be bigger than he was) while supporting the Union said according to Judaism Slavery was OK. Baltimore had a Rabbi Illowy that supported the status quo on Slavery and backed the Confederacy. He was the biggest Talmud Chochem in America and we hold like some of his psaks today. The first Ruv in America was also in Baltimore. He didn’t say anything pro or against Slavery but I’d imagine if it was as immoral as you say he would of spoken up. 2 other middle of the road Rabbis spoke in general about peace even if it meant slavery continuing. There was one Rabbi in Baltimore that spoke out strongly against Slavery. That was the ultraliberal, ultraleftist Reform Rabbi. It seems from the Rabbis of that era your inline with the Reform Rabbi. You might want to reconsideredited
Go back to the Shtetl you came from and beg the Goyim to be nice to you.
Abba,
Not sure where you are but I’m in Maryland and most people wouldn’t be embarrassed about their ancestors owning slaves as it wasn’t them and it was a different time. It’s like all the people here that are proud of their ancestors that fought for the Confederacy. I’m not sure why you think records are gone. The historical society often posts bills of sale for slaves. There’s also no reason most got destroyed. 160 years is not that long. I have a Shas that started being printed in 1865. So if that’s around and in pretty good shape from the year the Civil War ended there’s no reason other documents aren’t.He’s talking about the descendants of slave owners who lost their slaves without compensation. The Slaves should of been bought out, not just freed. This is why the war shouldn’t have happened.
Only if your name is Eliyahu.
As my history teacher put it (nicely), “The Rebbes never played well with each other.” If Rebbe A sees Rebbe B “stealing” his Chasidim, you better believe he’s going to react.
Avira,
Start a cable channel that has a feed of a Bais Medrash. Let me know how many viewers you get.Media covers stories of interest. Lag Ba’Omer, lighting a fire, singing and dancing is newsworthy. Bachurim learning in Yeshiva is not. Should the media report “Mr. Rosenberg had meat loaf and mashed potatoes for supper. After resting for an hour in his recliner, he went to a Chumash Shiur at Bais Dovid synagogue followed by Maariv.”
While there are exceptions like Yaakov Avinu even when it was allowed the norm was one wife.
Polygamy in Judaism is basically dead. It’s illegal in America and even Sephardim in America only have 1 wife. In Israel polygamy is also illegal. The only exception is if you were already married to more than 1 wife when you immigrated there. Assuming most came around 1950 and if they were married they were at least 20, today they’d be 90. So the number of people with multiple wives is rapidly dwindling and would soon be totally gone in the Jewish world.
While it sounds good in theory it’s much different in practice. My Rebbe told me to ask myself if I’m comfortable having Eneklach that do what their family does because that’s what’s most likely to happen. If their family wears blue shirts during the summer would you OK with your enekel doing that? I asked my Rebbe about a Shidduch with a family that doesn’t always wear ties by Shabbos Mincha and he said better not to risk it (he wondered if they lack Kavod Shabbos in that area where else are they lacking that I don’t know about yet?). When it comes to issues like Smartphones and type of filter it becomes even more complicated. We have a Shidduch system based on similar Hashkafas and Yiddishe lifestyles. Upending the system to make more Shidduchim is like trying to bring down the price of fish by declaring Treif fish to be Kosher.
2 Cannibals cooked a clown. One said to the other, “It tastes funny.”
Sam Klein,
I tried to do an Achdus project with the Shul on the next block. But my Ruv said since some of them have internet in their home and some of the women wear longer Sheitels it’s better not to interact with them. I also tried to arrange a football game for the boys but my Ruv said our kinderlach shouldn’t interact with boys who learned on Zoom during Covid.The Zionists also are unnecessarily limiting Lag Ba’Omer in Meron this year. They know what an uplifting experience it is and how much Chizuk people get from it. The Zionists will do anything to drive people away from Yiddishkeit. We should protest and a million Charedim should show up at the same time.
Avira,
How is there no one on top of them? Do you think the coach wants the management getting complaints from the parents? How is that different then a principal getting complaints about a teacher? It’s amazing how you think your way is the only way that you’ll make stuff up. I’ve worked with kids that were both more Frum and less Frum than me and like every other adult I tailored what I said to who they were.If you can’t have a not Frum coach how can you have not Frum teachers or go to a historical site and listen to the guide? (Though this is probably one reason you don’t want kids to learn secular studies). Maybe weighing the downside of interacting at a young age which is zero against creating positive relationships which payoff in the future the Derech is clear. Unless you believe “They hate us because they hate us” or they’re “jealous” of us; creating trust, understanding and friendship at a young age goes a long way toward things being easier in the future.
That you think there’s a problem with Frum kids playing on a team with not Frum kids and coaches shows more about you than the parents. What do you think the coach is telling him? How to make a play, to go out and try again, or Biblical Criticisms?
Better a community that puts up with Chilul Shabbos and not fraud than one that is Machmir beyond needed in every area but gives the man who commits govt fraud for school funds, welfare fraud, bank fraud or tax fraud an Aliyah on Rosh Hashana and throws him a big party when he gets out of prison.
Syag is correct. Theres no point discussing Yiddishkeit with people who other and denigrate those not like them.
B”H I was sent a video of a sports league run by a (not Frum) community group. Approximately 60-70% of the kids are mainstream Frum kids and the rest are not Frum (or a few not Jewish). The kids are randomly split up, not by Frumness. Almost all the coaches are not Frum. B”H there are mainstream Yeshiotherpe parents that have retained a sense of normalcy. One picture that warms my heart is a Frum boy with a velvet yarmulke and a not Frum coach with long hair talking to him with his hand on his shoulder. Do you think the coach was telling him to not be Frum? Do you think when a Frum and not Frum boy are on the sidelines they’re discussing religion? It’s great seeing Frum and not Frum boys smiling with their arms around each other. It teaches both sides how to get along with each other and will serve them both well in the future.There’s no assumption. I would hope you check out a Yeshivish house to make sure it’s a functional safe environment and I would hope you do the same with a Secular home. But if the house checks out regardless of background then what’s the problem?
avira,
You bought into the lie that anyone that’s not Frum lives an empty life full of sin. Do you think a Secular boy is interested in discussing gender instead of sports or dinosaurs or playing cops and robbers (or as your kids play “Talmidei Chachomim and Apikorsim”)? Do you think responsible secular parents hand their kid an ipad with full internet? Young children do as their parents do and want to make their parents proud. That you think kids are having hashkafik arguments in their head shows you don’t understand how children think and learn. I go to a relatives house for Shabbos meals and some of us walk and some of us drive (& park right out front). My kids don’t ask why we walk and others drive, they simply know we walk and others don’t. Do you think these kids won’t be exposed to the outside world as time goes on? But it’s your assumption that kids discuss these things themselves or with other kids that’s wrong. How are there any Frum Chasidish kids in Williamsburg? After all every Shabbos they see people driving down the road. Do they play music Shabbos afternoon because they hear music on Shabbos? Of course not because they understand people live different lives and we live a life of being Shomer Shabbos and they’re proud of it.I heard a Shiur on this topic (not specifically about Chabad). He explained Yiddishkeit is different than Xtianity in that Yiddishkeit is very low on beliefs and very high on action. While Xtianity is the opposite. There was a time when if the church said yoshka had brown hair and a xtian said he had blond hair they could be killed. Which to Jews makes no sense. We judge a person or group by whether they keep Torah and Mitzvahs. There are exceptions for example a Jew is publicly a Jew for Yoshka. But with the Chabad leadership denying these concepts and Chabad Jews being observant and have vague explanations it’s a non issue. I asked one major Chabadnik and he explained of course the Rebbe died but a Rebbe lives on through his students. Did he really believe that? I don’t know. But it’s not my job to investigate or make assumptions about someone who keeps Torah and mitzvahs.
The real problem when you get to the stricter end of any religion is you have to “Other” everyone not like you. You know a Secular kid isn’t discussing Yiddishkeit with your kid. The problem is you and his Rebbeim have told him only you live a good life and everyone else are low lifes who spend their lives on drugs and parties. If your kid goes to a Secular house and sees people living a functional, happy, disciplined life of purpose it’ll upend everything you taught him. You can see in the comments who is who. You know the ones that are always attacking and putting down everyone not like them are the super Machmir ones. My Mother (& others) taught me, there are good and bad Chasidim and Yeshivish and MO and not religious. Judge people based on how they act, not how they dress or what they claim to be. The MO serve a purpose because many who are MO would leave Orthodoxy before becoming Charedi. Also, Charedim collect money from the MO and they give even though they know what many Charedim think about them. (Did you ever see a MO collecting in KJ?) So appreciate them for the roll they play. The non-Orthodox give a ton of Tzedaka which benefits the Frum so also appreciate the role they play.
UJM,
If course I do. Growing I had neighbors that were completely Secular Jews (& I mean Secular, No Pesach or Rosh Hashanah, in all my years the most I saw was one year a small Menorah on the coffee table during Chanukah) they had a boy a little younger than me and we played all the time at each other’s houses. When we went for a snack his mother showed me the cookies or chips were Kosher. Do you really think 10 year old boys that are Frum and not Frum play differently? Do you think they discuss religion and Hashkafa? Btw, just for reference we Davened at an Agudah (& fit in).Avira,
I’m not sure where the argument even is. In my OP I said I grew up assuming kids of different backgrounds could go to the same school and play at each others house. When I got older I learned the correct Derech is to place people into different groups based on certain criteria. That’s what you and others keep advocating. So where’s the argument? The bigger question is why do you all at some level feel uncomfortable with it that you feel the need to justify or defend it?Avram in MD,
Of course I’m very friendly with those that wear Black hats, think the internet is evil and won’t eat at my house. There’s a simple reason for that. I had classmates and friends growing up that were Frummer (& less so) than I was but I know even though they have a different Hashkafa they’re still wonderful menschlich people. “Don’t judge a person by what they wear on their head, what their Hashkafa is or where they send their kids to school. Judge them by the content of their character.”That certainly didn’t happen where I went to school. We were taught every part of Klal Yisrael has a part to play and Yiddishkeit wouldn’t function without them all. There is no one way or correct way. We need Chasidim, we need Yeshivish, and yes we even need Torah im Derech Eretz Yidden. This just goes back to my OP. I thought as a kid all Jews could go to school together, play together, and respect each other. But as nicely or gently as people put it, it’s what I learned as I got older, that people need to divide themselves (or at least their kids) up based on petty little factors. Because since parents don’t know how to impart their Derech Hachaim to their kids in a manner that makes kids proud of it and want to live it they have to make sure their children aren’t exposed to anyone else’s.
Avira,
Did they have a negative affect on the Yeshivish kids?UJM,
I don’t know what your talking about. The school never asked if you had a TV. Half the kids did, half the kids didn’t. Half went to movies half didnt. Half wore velvet yarmulkes, half wore Knit. Some went to Pirchei, some went to Bnei Akiva. Some went to Frum camps in the mountains, some went to coed Zionist camps. Some vacationed where there were Frum Yidden and Minyanim, some went to the beach . Some mothers came dressed like Boro Park, some mothers wore pants and no hair covering. We had kids whose father’s were Rebbeim in Yeshivas, we had fathers who were YU anti-Yeshiva types. We all got along and as a general rule the kids came out how they went in. Because Hashkafa comes from the home not the school. The school taught Torah, not Hashkafa. Today, the Chasidish wears a Streimel, the very Yeshivish are Rebbeim, and the Modern Orthodox are…you guessed it, Modern Orthodox. That kids can’t be exposed to kids from different backgrounds is a myth.The Giraffe is a childhood myth. It is shechted where every other animal is shechted. The issues are they are incredibly expensive, thand the meat doesn’t taste very good. I heard Kosher giraffe meat would cost $10,000 per pound.
So why when I was a kid was tv, (no internet back then), pop culture, and Kashrus non issues? How did the very Yeshivish kid sit next to the kid with a knit Yarmulke and lunch box with the latest tv character on it? How did he end up Yeshivish hearing his classmates discussing the latest mega movie that they saw? How did the Chasidish kid end up Chasidish when the kid next to him from a not very Frum family brought in triangle-K snacks? I’ll tell you how. Because Hashkafa is taught at home. When you bring you children up correctly, exposure to other types of Jews only enhances their Yiddishkeit. But more importantly it creates an Achdus that bears fruit in the future. So many here are judging and often it’s based on exterior factors. The kids from different types when they get older know each from childhood and trust each other. This makes community Shalom and Achdus much easier
AviraDe,
Thank you for proving what I said.Common,
YOU have friends. Do your kids go to the same school? Do kids of the father with veisa zaken go to play (without a parent) at the house of the kids with a knit Yarmulke because their friends like any other kids?UJM,
What about schools and friends? Growing up it was perfectly normal for a Chasidish kid with very long Peyos, a kid from the very Yeshivish world and a kid with a tiny knit Kippah from a very Zionist YU type family to be riding around the neighborhood and alternating whose house they went to. Classmates would walk together on Shabbos with some headed to Pirchei and some headed to B’nai Akiva. I don’t think that happens much these days.Based on where I grew up I assumed Chasidim, Yeshivish, and Modern Orthodox can get along, Daven at the same Shuls and their kids can go to the same schools and play at each other’s houses. When I got older and was exposed to other communities I learned the correct Derech is to create divisions based on Hats, Yarmulke type, shirt color, and Sheitel length.
I thought all Zaidys were hip, cool, not Frum and didn’t talk to you about Yiddishkeit. Father’s were for following Halacha, Zaidys were for having fun. I couldn’t have been that old but remember being surprised kids had a Frum Zaidy with a beard and hat who were also talked to their grandkids about living a Frum life.
That many Jews changed their last names at Ellis Island. This was a universal Jewish myth believed by almost all. But after a thorough investigation it turns out it was extremely rare for it to happen. Jews leaving Europe had to show proper paperwork before boarding the ship. These records were used by the Customs officials to record entry to the US. So whatever name was on your paperwork in Europe is what your name was entering America. (Some people changed their name after arriving here but it didnt happen at Ellis Island)
The real surprise for me in the movie was Doson. He’s played as a real jerk who every time Moshe says something he obnoxiously tries to convince the Bnei Yisrael not to follow him.
Whether we like to admit it or not we are also affected by outside culture. Our neighbors religious pictures showed round tablets and it migrated to us. As mentioned above, Cecil B. Demille embedded it into the Jewish and Non-Jewish ethos with his epic masterpiece “The Ten Commandments” Maybe today its different because some are more insular. But almost everyone from the older generation has seen at least parts of it and that’s what they picture when they think of Yitziyas Mizrayim because it was amazingly well done and pretty much keeps to the Torah true version.
Because everyone has been influenced by the movie “The Ten Commandments” Ever notice in the pictures the Luchos have curved tops when that’s not how they looked?
Gadolhadorah,
Check out Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland. He’s a 2nd term Republican in a Blue state. Hes always the 1st or 2nd most popular Governor in the nation. He’s a moderate Republican who gets things done. He attracts a lot of Independents and Democrats and could actually win the election.