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Why is it always assumed that if there is a woman who can’t get a get, her husband is at fault and she is an “agunah ”
Maybe she is actually a moredes and he has a right to divorce her without giving her anything but she won’t accept? Maybe he is a good person and she is a witch and walked out on him?
Why is the automatic assumption that he is a lowlife???????November 21, 2019 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm in reply to: Is it illegal to walk around wearing a counterfeit “I Voted” sticker? #1802942klugeryidParticipantIf you put through a blank ballot, does that count as a vote
klugeryidParticipantDy
Thanks for clearing that right up.
Many ראשונים say that’s a conundrum that no human mind can untangle.
But now we are smooth sailing
Thanks 😊klugeryidParticipantConfused
How would you know and why is that so?klugeryidParticipantCT to stick in an odd topic comment
I love (poppy funny bone, thanks ubiq) McCowen (however it’s spelled) apples but they are hard to find in Brooklyn
Recently I saw that shop rite had so I eagerly bought some
Phoney!!!
They tasted like mislabeled MacentoshNovember 14, 2019 7:55 am at 7:55 am in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1800773klugeryidParticipantFollick2
Thank you.
That was what my post was trying to show. That it is possible.
Glad for you that you have more now. May you always be on the giving sideNovember 13, 2019 10:45 am at 10:45 am in reply to: $5,000.000 donated to Trump by Orthodox Jews, can we afford it? #1800256klugeryidParticipantPerhaps! “they” need to think multiple times before spending on this. But that is their job.
“we ” have no right to demand it of them.
(to put it in more stark terms, do you make sure to give every possible dollar that you can afford, to צדקה ? Or do you also have a discretionary spending budget for your wants that are not needs?
So they are blessed with wealth and therefore their discretionary budget is larger than yours. What’s the issue. It’s Not like they did anything wrong.)
If anything this gave Donald a warmer feeling for frum people which all of us will benefit fromklugeryidParticipantCT
That you want trump out we know.
That I want him reelected, I’m saying.
My conversation opener is two fold
Do you agree that if is a credible threat to trump and do you agree that from the current crop he is the first (and currently only) threatklugeryidParticipantומשנאי ה אשנא
klugeryidParticipant770 no not really we are not enjoined to love purposeful sinners.
As a matter of fact we are supposed to hate themklugeryidParticipantRabbi miller says it’s foolish to think one can love every Jew
klugeryidParticipantbut will for a long time will remember that bnei and bnos Torah are shaming the beauty of the Torah.
Because the non bnei and bnos Torah Are truly glorifying the Torah.
And how pray tell?
By lobbing insults at those who learn Torah?
By…………………. I’m not going to go into the laundry list of public mocking of Torah rules and regulation (which In your worldview is the endgame of Torah fealty )
Really????
You are a classic case of מאי אהני לן רבנן
For shame.klugeryidParticipantClassic
By your own admission just now, you will focus on negative ignore positive and denigrate others based on that
Wonderful.
Some of us choose to focus on the beauty of the Torah and realize that humans are fallible and therefore try to forget or look away from others accidental failings , instead of looking down an entire segment of klal yisroel who choose to make Torah the primary ideal and goal in their life.klugeryidParticipantZg
They tranquilize quests who are too shallow to appreciate the beauty of Torah.
Those who think it’s all about laws. Do don’t…
No we have not “arrived ” when our children lose sight of the fact that Torah is something so much greater than them.
We have lost when the next generation thinks Torah is just a bunch of rules for lifeklugeryidParticipantWhy doesn’t Moshes this
Why doesn’t moshes thatMoshes firstly has a fifty car valet parking lot
Secondly
Why don’t shoppers just return the carts that they take
It’s too hard?
Ask the store to send a worker to walk you to your car and pay an extra two bucks tip.
Stop making excuses for people’s stealingCan’t return an air conditioner to Walmart (even though they technically allow it.)
Can’t have Someone else write your essay (even though the school is aware of it)
But somehow it’s OK to steal shopping wagons from a store that has multiple signs telling you it’s not OK and it’s the stores problem to figure it out?????? “?”klugeryidParticipantMy favorite statement here is that Obama “accomplished his goal by passing a health care plan that is too popular to repeal ”
Guess what? That does not equate with being good.
If a president pushed Through a mandate/law/policy that have every citizen receives $100 a week.
It would be horrible policy. It would bankrupt the country but it would be way to popular to abolish.
Simply because there are way more takers than people willing to pay, In this country.
Yes his healthcare is popular. But it’s awful. For that alone he belongs on the list of worst presidentsNovember 7, 2019 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm in reply to: Whats Baltimore like nowadays.Still OOT or suitable for intown fam #1798564klugeryidParticipantI was in the Mikva there, and I met a guy with goggles
klugeryidParticipantAvi, sorry I totally lost you there
I know Hebrew
I know English
I know what it means to buy a field for פירות
I never heard that word
And by the way
If that were the only way to translate it, and nobody knows that word, it doesn’t help to say it in a different language That they don’t know. If they speak English and that’s the English for פירות and they don’t know that word, to keep calling it פירות does not make it any more understandable.Regardless.
You are way off topic.
You asked what can be a rational for writing an essay for someone else
I am telling you that since it’s clear that it’s rampant and the school obviously doesn’t care , because they don’t even try to stop it, and the only reason to do it in the first place is because those same people who accept these obviously cheated essays asked for them, so that is tacit approval that you can do it. So what is wrong??klugeryidParticipantOp
Because then there would not be free willNovember 6, 2019 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1798036klugeryidParticipantIitft
What Language is your post formulated in?klugeryidParticipantAvi k
They are not studying Hebrew
They are being taught other subjects in Hebrew languageklugeryidParticipantAmil
What are you referring to when you say
“I’m exampling “?klugeryidParticipantAvI
You obviously never send a daughter to a Brooklyn high school
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Telling me the teachers are not in charge is passing the buck
And I never said anything to indicate I thought they are אחראי
For creating the current system
But they Are aware of it.
As I wrote in talking about English speakers being asked to do work in Hebrew.
Not sure where your comment about getting Along in their host countryAs to Walmart
I said there may be plenty of good reasons you are not allowed to do it (my rav told me he holds it’s straight genaivah ) just saying that the argument that by returning it used after a summer downgrades it’s value and therefore you are stealing from Walmart, is factually incorrect.
It may be so that IF ultimately it is given to someone that entity receives less value, but they did not own it at the time you took it so you owe them nothing and Walmart, contrary to the opinions expressed here, does not put most of the returned items back on the shelfklugeryidParticipantAmil you ask a good question. I don’t have a good answer. But that is the reality.
Most girls high schools in Brooklyn teach at least some (and some all) classes exclusively in Hebrew.
Most ninth grade girls do not speak Hebrew.
Yet the tradition continues.
Why?
I do not know. Go ask your dad. (Dr Seuss for the purists here)klugeryidParticipant??
November 5, 2019 1:46 pm at 1:46 pm in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797614klugeryidParticipantI don’t follow them either 😁
November 5, 2019 11:14 am at 11:14 am in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1797532klugeryidParticipantOK I have many sources for what I hold.
What’s worse?
Depends on tons of factors
Starting point I think is there is no issur that I am aware of to sit near a woman (except ones wife in specific circumstances)
After that you start to get involved in
Enjoyment, and level of permissiblity of the woman in question.
Way too many variables to give a clear answer
Assuming there are no side female or relation issur going on it’s quite possible that it’s worse to fantasize which is basically the issue with sitting next to a woman than to actually do the act.
Strange but possibly true
Source, Gemarah יומא
גדולה הרהורי עבירה מעבירה עצמה וסימנך שילהי דקייטא קשה מדקייטא
Please excuse spelling and or paraphraseNovember 5, 2019 8:22 am at 8:22 am in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797451klugeryidParticipantSyag ,
that’s actually great what you did here. Cute too.
Only difference is , here I’m just repeating what I posted multiple times, on this thread, it’s a logical point, that keeps being missed in people’s responses to me.
It’s not saying I’m right I’M RIGHT!!!
I am saying hello!!! This is what I keep saying over and over.
And yes it’s frustration with stupidity of responses.
Still in all your catch was A+ (a+)klugeryidParticipantAvi
The value is lost the moment you open the box and perhaps even the moment you pay for the item.
(yes I know of a specific instance where someone realized after paying that they bought the wrong model, they went straight to return it. The clerk started to open the box. The person said “don’t open it. I just bought it a minute ago here’s my receipt. They said we need to check. They opened it took it all out then threw it into the returns with all the other used / unused /broken items)
So you take nothing from them by using the item. It’s the same to them if you return it sealed as if you return it usedklugeryidParticipantSyag
Can I assume you are putting together a cogent rational response?
Or is your whole opinion just the strength of your conviction?November 5, 2019 1:15 am at 1:15 am in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797435klugeryidParticipantA mamin
I DIDN’T SAY I DO IT I SAID IT CAN BE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WAS THERE A RECENT GEZAYRAH PASSED TO ASSUR READING COMPREHENSION THAT I MISSED??????
WHY DO SO MANY POSTERS KEEP TELLING ME
“NOBODY DOES THAT ”
YOUR MISSING MEAT OR VEGETABLES
…..
I AM JUST SHOWING IT CAN BE DONE.
DON’T YOU GET IT!????.
IT’S NOT SO COMPLICATEDklugeryidParticipantG h
Walmart dumps returned merchandise regardless of condition.
Once you open the box, and sometimes even if you didn’t,
The item never makes it back onto the shelf. It’s donated or more often thrown out.
So it’s hard to hear an issue based on loss of value to Walmart.
There may be other reasons why it’s forbidden but your going down the wrong pathNovember 5, 2019 12:17 am at 12:17 am in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797418klugeryidParticipantGlat mart has bags of bones they used to give away for free but now charge either 1 or two dollars. I don’t remember.
Again to all those commenting about lack of variety, or what their recipe Calls for.
I was responding to someone who said it’s not possible to do it. I’m showing that it is possible. When someone has no money they don’t eat chicken during the week. They make soup with less vegetables than “your recipe ” calls for.I said I spend much more I’m just saying it’s possible even kosher and In Brooklyn to feed a family of EIGHT people including adults where the food is always fresh and everyone is full and it’s less than 200$ a week.
No it doesn’t include sushi
Or many other delectable things that many of us are b “h able to indulge inNovember 5, 2019 12:17 am at 12:17 am in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797419klugeryidParticipantCoffee addict and frum guy laid claim to 150-165 weekly
Zahavasdad said he can’t believe it
So I was trying to show it can be done
That’s allklugeryidParticipantReb yid 613
Your attacking the wrong person. Kind of makes you look foolish and not so klug yourself there.
I have nothing to do with the returning air conditioners part of this whole discussion
So feel free to keep attacking but if you want to sound smart try to keep your comment relevant.November 4, 2019 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1797321klugeryidParticipantUbiq
What’s worse? Giving the finger or burping loudly in public ? They are both uncouth boorish behaviors neither are forbidden thoughAs to your painless surgery question, it still seems as if money is the worse punishment.it is given where we would give malkos plus but we can’
So that would mathematicallay make it worseklugeryidParticipantNeither
Why would you think thatklugeryidParticipantSyag
I hear your indignation loud and clear
Unfortunately indignation Is not a rational position. It just means you are passionate that you are correct.
That’s beautiful.
But it’s not going to convince me. I’m fact it’s not even giving me anything to think about to see if maybe In fact I am incorrect.
It’s more like a signal that it’s a difficult position to defend
In the words of Ronald Reagan
“weak point – scream “November 4, 2019 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1797241klugeryidParticipantUbiq
Just read the diversity of opinion on the thread regarding changing airline seats
Which is worse?
Sitting near a woman or making a large loud fuss?
You have proponents of both positions here.
Whose “common sense” are you going to use as the arbiter for all of jewery to go by?
Do you really not see how untenable a position that is?November 4, 2019 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797182klugeryidParticipantThere is no בעל תשחית In a hypothetical situation
November 4, 2019 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1797234klugeryidParticipantNot sure why you are confused
Maiming is hitting plus
So it can’t be less “bad ” then hitting because it contains hitting.
So it’s either equal or greater.
I already explained
Severity means grade of issur not how much it hurts
That’s applicationNovember 4, 2019 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1797111klugeryidParticipantmore info meaning
maiming is hitting plus
the wounded gets nothing if the perp gets malkos
you cant give both
so even though malkos is more chamur you give mamon so the victim gets something
so no its not a smaller crime its extenuating cicumstanceNovember 4, 2019 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1797104klugeryidParticipantubiq
i dont see mamon on that list
does he hold its not a punishment at all?November 4, 2019 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797103klugeryidParticipantFirst are you feeding a family of eight with six children or a family of 6 with 4 children? You post says both .
“Family of six children”
“Why is $150 so hard to be true for a family of four children?”
um…. my numbers work for a family of 6 children so for sure they can work for a family with 4 children
(if you cant figure that out, then just cook for six and throw out the extra 2 portions)
didn’t think question was including non food
it wasn’t posed as total household budgetNo breakfast cereals allowed? correct
Sugar, salt, spices? minimal daily
Cream cheese sandwiches and scrambled eggs for breakfast?no
scrambled eggs for breakfast
Cream cheese sandwiches for lunch
2 family packs of chicken bottoms yields 12 quarters – if it’s a family of six that’s two dinners. Last I looked there were 6 dinners in a week. Are you only serving pasta the other 4 nights with no protein (ie fish or meat?)
no. american cheese in the pasta. its called mac and cheese
quite tasty really
1 pack of hot dogs (8 pack or 16 pack?)i think for 10$ you can get a 16 packwhen you say children do you mean toddlers, under 10 or teens? Do you know how much teen boys eat? a mix of ages like a regular family
yes. some eat very little(1 can for a family of 6?) yes plus eggs and dips . not everyone likes/eats tuna
nope. its a half a pound of cheap meat
pretty substantive in a 5 quart pot of cholentany more questions your honor?
November 4, 2019 10:54 am at 10:54 am in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797067klugeryidParticipantExcl
Why on earth not?
You can buy a pack of “cholent meat ” for ten dollars. Use half. Remember we are seeing if it’s possible
You can also put in a bag of beef bones, available for two dollars to give more flavor
Soup veg. ????
One onion one carrot a zucchini and a parsnip cost more that $3??
Are you shopping in “the orchard ” ???November 4, 2019 9:00 am at 9:00 am in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1797030klugeryidParticipantAs to your question how did the חכמים know עז is worse
I think you missed my point
They knew because their moral compass was pure.
That’s the same reason I’ve said all along they can tell you something is an exception
My point from there is
Even knowing that עז is the worst, why should that NECESSITATE it having the more severe punishment?
If they are not correlated so why does it follow
Yet the Mishna is clear that once they knew it was worse, it automatically follows that it requires the more severe punishment. Ergo we can deduce backwards, if it has the more severe punishment it must be the worse sin
Are there sometimes mitigating or extenuating factors that skew this rubric?
Sure
But we aren’t in a position to decide that because our moral compass has been compromisedNovember 4, 2019 8:59 am at 8:59 am in reply to: How much $$$ does a typical Frum family spend on groceries per week? #1797035klugeryidParticipantInterjection
I didn’t forget
I personally spend way more than that
I was showing that it can be done as some posters claim it is an impossibility.CTlawyer
What type of apples?November 4, 2019 8:52 am at 8:52 am in reply to: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment? #1797028klugeryidParticipantUbiq
Were I to have no other information to go on, absolutely yes. I’d say the hitter is worse.
Unfortunately for your side, there is plenty more information, as that is the sugya of the GemarahklugeryidParticipantAvi
Not sure what your whole post equals
If the student is not capable they will flunk
If the teacher round up (which many do) they will pass
If everyone is cheating their way through, then it’s a broken system and it’s stupid to keep it going that way. If a non participatory student who can’t answer a question in class is submitting a grade essays, and the teacher lets that through, it’s time for a new teacher.
I thought you were asking about entrance exam essaysRealize, it’s not like you have a possession, that if I take it I’m stealing. Here it’s arbitrary. If a school /teacher decides they want you to submit an essay, and they give it in a way that easily allows cheating, and they know it’s happening, and they accept it, then it’s not cheating!! They are in charge of creating the rules. If they allow it then it’s OK
klugeryidParticipantSyag
That’s not really a response to what I said, but I’ll ask you this
When the school gives the students an assignment to be done in a language they neither speak nor understand, what do they really think is going on behind the scenes??
Or is your opinion that the teachers and principals of our children’s schools are so stupid that they never realized what I am saying?
Again
When children too young to type are submitting typewritten assignments (sometimes mandated by the school) what do the teachers who are giving these children high marks for those assignments think took place.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
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