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klugeryidParticipant
Two things
Firstly I was not aware that hunter Biden was his political opponent.
Secondly, who cares what it looks like. Since when did ”it looks like ” become an impeachAble offense?
Yes he did not ask for a needed corruption investigation until he realised that it may ALSO help his political career (I am not saying this is true, I’m granting it for arguments sake). So what? You think anything is not done with ulterior motives?
When Obama gave cash to Iran, you think he didn’t think that would help him politically??
So should he have been impeached for using billions of American tax dollars to give himself a leg up on his political rivals?
The bidens were involved in massive corruption.
Joe himself bragged that he actually did what trump has now been accused of and trump has denied doing. Yet according to Jackk and Reb Eleizer and Rebbe Debbie and all the other cool aid drinkers it’s trump who should be impeached and Biden who should be elected.
Another reason for trump to proudly admit it. It seems it is only being accused of such behavior that is impeachable. Actually admitting to it creates impunity.
As I said he should proudly admit to it. And frame and display the impeachment paperwork.klugeryidParticipantReb Eleizer
Why should he disprove it.
What’s wrong if he did it?
So he asked for a corruption investigation.
What’s wrong?
He should proudly admit it.klugeryidParticipantMeat
klugeryidParticipantRebbeDebbie
Why would it be honorable to resign
Imagine I hired 500 people to stand outside of your house with signs chanting ”RebbeDebbie ”stole this house.
And then we would all 500 of us vote if we believed that. And amazingly would have a unanimous vote that says you stole the house.
Would you do ”the honorable thing ” and just walk away from your house that you bought honestly???January 13, 2020 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm in reply to: Why hasn’t the frumvelt embraced democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang #1822539klugeryidParticipantTlik
Thanks
That’s a reasonable position, I may not agree with every kind but I certainly would not challenge it outright and totally.
That’s a very different tone and position then someone who says ”send half the boys out to work!! ” ”let them Get off their tuchus” which is what I was responding toJanuary 13, 2020 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm in reply to: Why hasn’t the frumvelt embraced democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang #1822447klugeryidParticipantYes! Instead of sitting on their tuchis for at least a year or two doing nothing, they will be “mekayem” what it says in the Ketuba, “I will feed you, clothe you, etc”!!!!
Classic
מאי אהני רבנןI’m sure he they were spending years researching the dung makeup of African termites you would be all proud of their ”important ” work
Go wash your mind with soapJanuary 13, 2020 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm in reply to: Why hasn’t the frumvelt embraced democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang #1822398klugeryidParticipantFirstly because we lack to back a winner
TRUMP
secondly why should all boys work?
You hate torah so much?Sammy boy do you know what else it says in the ”ketubah ”
Or you found out that it says something about work and you lost your head??klugeryidParticipantWith a broom
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Where he questions whether we are safer as a result.
That’s not an important question.
The question is only are we less safe?
The man was evil and needed to be taken out. As long as it doesn’t increase our danger from Iran it was a good move.
Since Iran is being as aggressive as they could anyway, there is really no problem with killing their generalsklugeryidParticipantUbiq
I don’t know any of the statistics, and Frankly im not inclined to spend time looking at them as I don’t really trust them.
And I’m not creating public policy. I’m just arguing opinion.
But I can’t see how making it easier for a criminal with a gun who shot people makes any difference.
Fact is they got guns, they killed people.
Do I care if it would have been even easier for them to get those guns?
No. They got them anyway.
And they will get them if you make it harder too.
But had the store owner had a gun, we may well have had less death of innocents.
If there two scum knew that any Random citizen may be packing heat, they may well have thought twice.
Had someone in Monsey had a gun in the room it would now be” the dead guy who tried to attack with a machete. ”klugeryidParticipant8 7h
klugeryidParticipantUm, no not at all. That’s not what he is saying in the pull quote you posted.
He is saying that if a shul does build a מחיצה that is kosher, the fact that someone may choose on purpose to stare at the women is not our problem. A man always has a חיוב to watch his eyes and can’t pass it off by saying build a better מחיצה so I won’t be able to look.
ואם יש מי שיעבור ויסתכל בכוונה
That’s from your quote
That means that on purpose the man is looking.
Here we are discussing the fact that when I go to my local grocery store there are ostensibly religious women dressed in a decidedly אסור mode.
They are for the most part
מזידים
מחטיאי הרבים
ועתידין ליתן את הדין
מרחקים הקב”ה ממחנינו
No they have no right to say don’t look.
R Moshe is talking about one who is trying to look
I am talking about placing a stumbling block in front of someone trying not to look.
I guess that except for the fact that they are totally opposite, they are the sameklugeryidParticipantR e
Your point??klugeryidParticipantI’m married, and I have daughters and sisters as well.
I’ve seen how girls check every part of their attire to make sure it’s all working together.
Changing shirts, skirts, shoes, tights, even rings, because somehow (understandable to females only) the outfit doesn’t ”work ”
And I’m all that she didn’t notice that it is an inch above her knee?? Really?? She say the thread hanging from the hem in the back of the skirt, but didn’t realize that the skirt is too short?? Really ??
Who do you think you are fooling.
When a girl puts on a short skirt she knows good and well that it’s short.
There is nothing wrong with someone complaining about it.
You don’t like that? Don’t wear it.klugeryidParticipantThis issue has two parts
1 it’s a mitzvah just like any other, and maybe I should comment maybe not.
2 it directly affects me. Hashem created men that they are attracted to females. That’s just the fact. So when a woman or girl dresses inappropriately, that will effect any man who can see her.
It’s on different than if your Co worker started coming to work every day with a new cologne.
Gasoline. 87 unleaded. Liberally sprayed on themselves.
Imagine if you complained about the stench and they would respond, just don’t smell. Breath from your mouth and put on nose plugs. I have the right to spray what I want. It’s my body.
Would anyone buy that answer???
But somehow when a woman walks around smelling like gehennom, suddenly if a man says anything ”just don’t look ”
It’s not his businessNews flash
If you are affecting me, it is my business.
And if you are dressing in a way that is not in accordance with halacha I have every right to complain.klugeryidParticipantI love when women tell men ”just don’t look ” mine your own business and then try to sell their difficulty as ”pressure ” to be in style.
How about don’t look at the styles????klugeryidParticipantGet ît
ThanksklugeryidParticipantG H
A-ha and tics the reason all The pundits screamed not to move the embassy. Got gttgamjpklugeryidParticipantSyag,
I’ve skinned some, I’ve schmoozed with boys who were reading them asking what the books are about.
There are books where the ”hero ”is constantly killing and maiming.
There are characters who are conniving crooks.
Husbands who are jerks
Wives who are mean
Children who ”had enough ”and throw it all away.While officially the undercurrent of the book is supposed to be that the evil ones life is empty,
Ultimately the overt information has the evil one being successful for most of the book quite often.
That’s just the way a novel of intrigue is going to be built.
The hero is always on the defensive for most of the book.
That’s how you build suspense.
You create a hero you put him in trouble /danger /difficult situation/position and you work him out of it.
That means that for most of the book your reader is reading about a non role model being successful.
That subliminal message seeps in. ESPECIALLY SO being as the child is under the impression that this is a Jewish book written by someone like him. The fact that at the end it all falls apart doesn’t counteract the hundreds of pages where it was going well for the bad guy.
Of course I’m not saying the kid puts down the book and goes to rob a bank.
But neither does he put down the worst of non Jewish literature and go to ”Manhattan”
It’s a question of putting wrong ideals into his head.
I think many of the so called Jewish novels are awful. While there are plenty of kosher non Jewish ones.
Ultimately it should be the content that is the factor in the decision. Not the author.
This is similar to the ”Jewish music ” conversation.
For they are both really the sameklugeryidParticipantI don’t think anything. I don’t read that junk.
I just quoted a relative who himself was off, that the books read like a ManuAl for going off.
To me it sounds like he was saying that it glorifies such a life decisionEither way I fail to see why it’s better than Sherlock Holmes or the like
klugeryidParticipant7 is not the same as 4
Which means there is no herring without carrotsklugeryidParticipantI’m being completely serious
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Anything goes as long as its not male female related.True it’s not all but if you don’t want to generalize Jewish novels, don’t generalize non Jewish ones either.
klugeryidParticipantgenius
i meant the fact that the whole book glorifies the life of people otd
at the last page everything ends happily ever after
that wont undo a full books worth of insidiousness
how you even remotely thought i meant what you wrote, ill never figure outDecember 26, 2019 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm in reply to: President Donald Trump, Oheiv Yisroel Par Excellence #1814506klugeryidParticipantahhh!
so you are stupid because you support fools?klugeryidParticipantThat’s a new one – I’ve heard of OTD people blaming their parents and rebbeim; never Jewish novels.
Frankly, that’s that’s utter nonsense.
so you dont believe people are influenced by what they read. nice.
remind me again whats the problem with reading non jewish books?klugeryidParticipantI beg to differ
Talk about insidious
A book like Sherlock Holmes is almost totally clean has ”chochma” and if something not so great finds its way in, a kid at least knows it’s not Jewish.
Contrast that to Jewish novels of today which as a relative who was off the derech told me ”are a guidebook for going off the derech ” with everything working out in the last three chapters.
Much worseklugeryidParticipantg h
worse than the traitor obama?December 26, 2019 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm in reply to: President Donald Trump, Oheiv Yisroel Par Excellence #1814409klugeryidParticipantright
so assume that wasnt hyperbole (given that the liberals say he has never paid his bills why is this one different)
how does that make him anti semitic?December 26, 2019 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm in reply to: President Donald Trump, Oheiv Yisroel Par Excellence #1814406klugeryidParticipantso reb eliezer
you are able to wax poetic but cant answer a straight question
(as to your question, syag did a great job you dont need to be against x to be for y….., only way you could have not known that is willfull ignoranceDecember 26, 2019 10:33 am at 10:33 am in reply to: President Donald Trump, Oheiv Yisroel Par Excellence #1814323klugeryidParticipantReb Eleizer
Why exactly does trump have an agenda to ”look good in front of the Jews ” ?
I keep hearing/seeing people express that idea.
I can’t even begin to understand it.
If you told me Biden hates blacks but attempts to make himself look like he loves them, I get it. The black community has a huge sway in politics and if he’d be associated with being anti black it would really torpedo his chances at winning. So there would be motive.What’s trumps motive?
The pro Jewish things he has done have almost all been (in his world view) pro RELIGIOUS Jewish. Many have actually infuriated the ”Jewish lobby ”
Moving the embassy,
Legitimizing the shomron settlements,
Freeing rubashkin
Why would he do any of those if it wasn’t for real????
I’m asking you a favor.
You are not shy to type tons of posts.
Give me a direct answer.
Not an obfuscation not a parallel politician who was similarly accused.
Just a straight direct answer.
My contention?
He was around frum Jews his whole life. Dealt with them.made millions from them. Legitimately likes them. Doesn’t care what anyone will say when he helps themDecember 24, 2019 10:29 am at 10:29 am in reply to: Broke Bochurim Going to Friend’s Weddings #1813538klugeryidParticipantI think he meant gas and trolls!!
klugeryidParticipantI wasn’t talking about that either.
I’m sure all those events are watched streaming online as well. And by more people than will be watching the s hklugeryidParticipantGH
Your funny
You think there will be more people logging on than
Election night coverage?
Super Bowl?
Ball drop on new year’s ?
State of the union address?klugeryidParticipantlets even grant that trump only asked to investigate biden (hunter) beacuse it would help him out.
is there anything wrong , with pressing for a legitimate corruption investigation , when you are choosing specifically one of many available, because that one will have a side benifit of helping you politically?klugeryidParticipantG H
Very true
Obama didn’t cozy up to enemies
He bowed to them
Trump will make a deal with anyone who he can make a buck off.
As long as he thinks it will benefit the USA he is ready to deal. Without caring what the other party is about.Do you blame him?
The one time he tried to make sure the other side is not corrupt, got him impeached!klugeryidParticipantBesides which, there are answers on a more pragmatic level other than the ones you baited.
I’ll just give you one.
Statistically, people who move to e y while their children are in their 8-18 year old ages, have way higher percentages of children going off the Derech.
Not a very comforting thought for a frum yidklugeryidParticipantAvi
To bring a Ramban as if that closes the discussion is disingenuous at best.
Of course you will find many ראשונים and on who say one should live in e y.
And if you choose to follow that שיטת החיים, כל הכבוד!
But to present it as if you are unaware that there is another position in diametric opposition to that one, just makes you look like a fool.
We are all aware of the satmer Rebbe’s position. Which is well thought out and fully documented.
To just flat out ignore it means you are not interested in a discussion.
I personally did not stake out a position here.
How could I?
This is an age old מח with no possible solution.
I’m just commenting on your strident tones of ”what’s your excuse now ”
Why does anyone need to excuse themselves from not doing something that may entail many לאווין ושבועות if they do it???
אדרבה they need ironclad proof that it’s OK to do it before they take such a step.klugeryidParticipantAvi
Only difference is
There hashem told us to go to e y
Here he told us to stay outThere the rebels were in the wilderness
Here they are in the country of IsraelAll of your arguments are self made up after you knew what you wanted to answer.
But they all start after accepting an unproven point that needs to be proven.
Who says we are supposed to go en mass to live in e y?
Maybe we are supposed to stay in galus
With all its problems
I certainly don’t know
But to uproot oneself,
And certainly to demand of others to do so, one must be totally sure he is right.
You have not even begun to do that.klugeryidParticipantMillhouse
Thanks for the laugh!!!klugeryidParticipantChash
So based on your Op
Would you support an. Investigation got Obama’s birth certificate fiasco?
(I personally do)klugeryidParticipantZoo
Liberty science center
Top golfklugeryidParticipantAvi
Permitted does not equal “should ”
And end of McGillah has plenty written as to why exactly they didn’t takeklugeryidParticipantAnd if it was only stop gap, why only your daughters? Why can’t you sell your sons.
כל שבח נעורים לאביה
That’s even for things that rarely come up.
Why would the Torah say that if it wasn’t intrinsic.klugeryidParticipantAmong these were the אשת יפת תואר and slavery
Really??the Gemarah says
המשחרר עבדו עובר בעשה שנאמר לעולם בהם תעבודו
That’s a temporary measure?
And when does it end?
Why do we have no guidance?
“warning this מצווה will expire after xx years “??
Sorry I don’t buy it
Maybe אתרוג too. Only applicable when we lived in an agrarian society
תפילין only before we “woke ” and weren’t so cognizant of animal rights
And on and onklugeryidParticipantAvi
While I am familiar with that position, it is definitely a דעת יחיד and a dangerous one to utilize on our own
Pig is only forbidden because in those days…..
Marrying an aunt is only forbidden because…..
As a matter of fact before matan Torah people married their sisters, maybe that too is only assur temporarily
Lighting fires on shabbos is only assur because it was tons of work…..
Wearing shatnez is only assur because…..You can negate any part of the Torah you are so inclined, with that line of reasoning.
Rav kook was a great man. But He certainly was an original thinkerklugeryidParticipantWhy can’t you sell your child
Ever heard of אמה עבריה?
Sale date expires 12.6
I’m not suggesting you can do it it today’s world, but it can’t be wrong, objectivelyNovember 28, 2019 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm in reply to: Why does my son’s Rebbi have a smartphone ? #1805724klugeryidParticipantIt should meat that he eats only Cholov Yisorel
I don’t usually call out typos, cause they are just typos
But this one is great!!!November 27, 2019 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm in reply to: Any of the 2020 DNC Presidential candidates 100% against abortion (aka murder)? #1805298klugeryidParticipantYy
When??klugeryidParticipantWho is this thread smearing?
All I saw is a story
Totally nameless
Actually better than making UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS that the victim was involved in bad stuff. -
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