Chash
You wrote
however as in the case above you responded while on afterburner and thus clarity was lost…
That’s exactly what I meant by women being more emotional.
When you respond with emotion you often lose clarity
Doesn’t make you necessarily wrong
Doesn’t make you dumb
But it’s often a cause of seeming so.
ובדברי חזל
בא לכלל כעס בא לכלל טעות

ח”ח פתיחה, עשין אות ו, בהגהה
וכל שגן לפי מה שמצוי בעוונותינו הרבים בשבת קודש אחר סעודה שלישית, שיש כמה כיתות אנשים, הלומדי תורה מסתמא משיחין בדברי אלקים חיים –ושארי אנשים” מסתמא!!” משיחין בענין הבלי העולם. ובוודאי מתגנדר על לשונם דברי לשה”ר והוללות וליצנות. אם כן מי שפורש מהבעלי תורה והוללות ומטה אזנו לחברה הרעה הזאת כדי לשמור מהם סיפוריהם ההבלים עובר על מצוות עשה זו לבד מה שכובר על לא תהיה אחרי רבים לראות… ע”ש

Do you see what he did here?
He spoke negatively about a future activity, based on normal observation of his surroundings, piling on לאו after לאו without stopping to maybe be דן לכף זכות those people who are going to the schmooze group because ”we are not the Chazon ish we can’t be expected to learn all day.
Casting aspersions on regular jews.
Seeing negative before it takes place.

I’d really love to know who this anonymous halacha knower is and what he based his decision on.
I know he is clearly arguing on the Chafetz Chaim

Avram
There is nothing wrong with positing that ”frum jews ” will sin provided you are not claiming it on any specific person or identifiable people.
The gemorah does it.
The gemorah actually does even more
ג דברים אין אדם ניצול בכל יום מיעוטן בגזל, רובם בעריות , וכולם באבק לשון הרע
Lonely translated there are three things people don’t get saved from daily.
Some Steal
Many transgress on illicit activities
And everyone with a touch of לשון הרע
It’s talking about religion jews
It’s saying that they sin. Daily.

I’m not following your circular issue at all so I have no comment.

Search all galaxies? Actually why not. Rabbi Hutner famously said, the Reason God created crooked minds is to be able to judge favorably.
Especially here, where the favorable option is just that he holds of the simple reading of mainstream Halacha. I would not exactly call that ”searching the galaxies ”

avram
i hear
but i would contend that as the posters here are anonymous, it is not the same as casting aspersions on a person or defined group
but i can hear your position
however i keep falling back on the position that since there is a bening way to view his comment, she should have done so at least according to her logic and worldview

To elaborate a bit further
Were I to state ”all people who drink coffee are over many sins every time they drink it because coffee is a drug and it’s unhealthy so they are not watching their health ”
You can easily argue with my contention, and prove that the torch allows one to drink coffee and therefore they are doing nothing wrong.
And having proved your position, I would be incorrect in my assertion.
But I have not been over on judging people favorably.
Judging favorably simply means when you see someone do something that no the surface looks incorrect, you should try to mitigate the wrongness in your mind and try to explain it away as much as you can possibly do so that you don’t have a negative opinion of a specific person or group of people.

Yes I agree to your rendering of what Josef said. No need to sound the exact words.
However my point is,
You cannot ”point” to anyone, to say he spoke negatively about them.
In my hypothetical examples, In the first case the fellow has tarred ”all” satmar. Hence he has made an accusation on specific people. That is wrong.
In the second example he has openly tarred a specific group.

Here, who has he tarred?
All jews?
Not at all!
He specifically stated its only the sinners that he is referencing.
Who are they?
Nobody can point a finger and say he meant that guy.
He meant nobody specific.
As soon as someone goes ahead and does the act, yes In retrospect he meant ”him ”
But at that point there is no issue judging because (and here the second issue needs to be brought to bear) it is OK to judge a person who knowingly does something wrong, negatively.
(even if you personally were to want to be stringent in the issue, and hold like those who say you can judge everyone favorably, he has the right to hold like those who say in such a case it’s actually forbidden to judge favorably. So here there is a clear way to judge someone (Josef) favorably for an act that In your eyes is wrong. Simply by granting him the right to hold by those who pasken that it would be forbidden to do otherwise)
As I said before, as a proof to his correctness, I brought a piece from the Chafetz Chaim where he does the exact same thing.
He writes in his sefer that those who sit and talk between mincha and Mariv instead of using the time to learn, end up committing a whole list of severe sins.
Is there any material difference between saying that and saying anyone who watches the super bowl commits a whole list of sins?
Anyone who defends watchers of the super Bowl commits a whole list of sins?
We see from the quoted Chafetz Chaim that it is OK to say anyone who does…. Commits a whole list of sins.
If it’s good enough for the Chafetz Chaim, I suspect it’s good enough for Josef.
So as I said I now understand where you were coming from but I think you are wrong

By the way syag I was doing it for my best interest. I actually sincerely enjoy open and frank exchange of ideas.

Chas
I did say there were those who did not take the view that it is forbidden. I didn’t remember who. I guess it was the c c himself.
Thank you for your compliments.
As you yourself pointed out. I usually ignore personal insults and I don’t report to them either as, as we both know they add nothing to a discussion.
In this case I just saw it was going nowhere fast and I thought maybe it would shake her up to respond rationally in order to disprove my point.
It seems not to have worked though.

CHASH
i didnt say exactly that there is no chiyuv dan likaf zechus
i said and i have sources (starters in the chafetz chaim ) that an average person doing something which has greater than 50% odds of being wrong, one does not need to judge them favorably. a straight reading of the chafetz chaim actually says its forbidden to judge them favorably, but there are those who argue on his understanding of the source)
so in this discussion where we are really just discussing an idea, as there are no specific people being discussed, its difficult to fathom why or by what right one would look to judge favorably people who choose to walk past the door of the house of ill repute

Syag how About just answering my Question.?
There is alot of verbiage in your latest comment. I don’t have the strength to pick through it all. But a few.
I spewed? How would one tell the difference in written words?
I didn’t stick to facts? Exactly what did I say that was conjecture?

You are making all sorts of assumptions about my comment, starting with stating that I am not interested in hearing what you have to say, then you tell me that I’m the one who is not sticking to facts.
Years ago from the tone and content of some of your comments I thought you were a man. When you posted at some point that you are a woman I was not sure if you were playing.
Now you’ve proved your femalehood

And another thing why does judging favorably always end when it comes to Joseph supposed. It seems that one comes to Joseph. There’s no commandment to judge favorably. How interesting could it perhaps be because Joseph makes people uncomfortable so they go on the defensive. When people see others Sending to God. It doesn’t bother them. So they are very quick to spout the judge favorably line. However, as soon as it becomes personal and they feel like somebody perhaps it’s attacking them they forget about the whole business with judging favorably and immediately, they start condemning and insulting very very interesting

Dovid from hearing people’s comments that was what I gathered but then you have all the posters claiming not to watch the commercials or the half time show.
So what exactly is the big draw?
It’s just a stupid football game

Amil you have a tablet?
You know how harmful to the environment those machines are when you try to dispose them??
And previous generations lived just fine without them. As a matter of fact I don’t have one and I feel no lack in my life from it.

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Ubiq
I would argue
Trumps persona is built on
”me ”
What he wants and can get he does.
Beginning middle and end.
Happens to be that b ”h the things he currently has a fancy for are to the religious Jewish community benefit.
What you call immorality is actually just no self control.
It’s just a symptom of his weltenschaung .

Sam Klien??
Hashem doesn’t run the world anymore when it comes to boys learning after marriage?? All of a sudden ”where is the plan? ”

Wow a corpus of ignorant people

Human alone is only a דרבנן
Kissing a child’s cut would be permitted if it’s not for sure you will ingest blood

Sam Klien you really overstepped it here
ישקני מנשיקות פיהו
And many other times in פסוקים הלכה חזל where kissing is mandatory /laudable/beneficial
You with your own ideas end up calling חזל corrupt.
For shame!!

How about impeach the talker