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Yes it’s judgemental. So what. Humans are judgmental. She is commenting on her opinion of who to spend the rest of her life with. She should reserve judgement??? She even went so far as to explain herself what I thought was pretty obvious. Most minimum wage menial jobs are filled by people that she would not want to spend the rest of her life in private company with.
She did not say she talks down to them when she goes shopping. She did not say she treats them with disdain.
Someone stocking grocery shelves, unless they are a friend or relative of the owner, In which case it’s usually getting paid to help out not a career, is usually not someone in the upper strata of society. That’s a fact. Does no good to deny it and nothing wrong with anonymously expressing your feelings that you would not want to marry them.Ry23
You are so totally correct.
Only problem is you never know what is going to offend someone. The only way to find out is to first make the joke. Then if someone tells you they got offended. Don’t make that joke again where they can hear it.
We all need to learn constantly from everything around us. So this is just another pedagogical tool.
(But if you make a joke and nobody got offended you probably should not say that joke over again anywhere. It’s probably not a good joke)Dy
Unfortunately there are those on this thread that take Medrashim as ”a suggested possibility ” to be accepted or selected based on their own personal feelings on the topic.
Read through the thread
Additionally there is truly a concept called medrashos chalukos .
So I was just showing that In this question it’s pretty open and shut that she was killed. With no wiggle room.
(there is an entire section of this thread discussing proving she was killed based on his not calling her back when he got sober)I am wondering why do I find this story so interesting.
I know the נביא ישעיהו lived in ארץ ישראל וירושלים בזמן הבית
There is an entire ספר in נביאים just for him recording some of his life and works.
As to the seal? The גמרא tells us there were millions of נביאים and בן נביאים so why is it a stretch to think there was another נביא called ישעיהו
And if it was really his would he really sign his name ישעיה נביא ? Is that like ”Alexander the great ”?Wow are we hearing from a bunch of geniuses here
The גמרא, מגילה יא עמוד ב
Three lines from the bottom
בא שטן וריקד ביניהן הורג את ושתי
Satan came and danced amongst (between) them and killed Vashti
Is that clear enough?
Or are you ready to take on the גמרא as well?Toi
Very good!!!!
Thanks for a laughG H
Are you bolstering rabbi Miller’s point ?
Cause if not you totally missed it.
His point
I will not say concerts are forbidden
But it’s not the Jewish spirit to get together simply for musical enjoyment.
How does that change when you upgrade the enjoyment factor?
Then it becomes in the spirit??As an aside. You write ”for those wishing to be machmir”
Can you provide me with any name of an orthodox rabbi who will go on record stating that it is permitted to sit in mixed gender seating at a concert?
It can only be properly called a ‘chumra ” if it is technically permittedTheir rov is giving a shiur and they need an answer right away
Their rov is on vacation
Their rov is not picking up the phone and is not telling them whyRy23
So Buy multiple villages if you must
But it’s gotta all start on your land. Otherwise you might as well drink ”great value ” instantHa ! You are all inferior.
I bet none of you own their own Columbia town complete with native workers to grow and harvest real Columbia beans.
Anything short of that is just a cheap wannabe
BTW CT lawyer, if you hire a couple good slaves to patchke with all your coffee apparatus, you can probably pack away an extra two three hours a day in bed without missing anything in your daily schedule.Ry23 you need reasons?
Two parents per kid
Parents can’t get fired so there is no accountability
Any idiot can become a parent
Parents get paid more, just they are the ones paying the rebbe so they end up with less
Parents get paid in grandkids
Parents are paying back their Dept to their parents
Nobody hired the parents
Parents don’t ask their boss for a raise
Need more?Ry23
Because they don’t have their kids for as long as the rebbeim do.
It’s that simpleI think a better question is why don’t rebbeim get paid as much as psychologists
Thinking out loud
Thanks
My pet peeve?
I am chasday lev.
Really?? You yourself are an organization?I was moderated out
I guess it’s ok to nurse in public as long as you don’t comment about itRebbeyid
Ever heard of malbin pnay chaveyro barabim ayn lo. Chelek liolam haba?
Mutav sheyapil Adam atzmo likivshan haesh vial yalbin pnay chaveyro barabim?
Diazal sumka viasi chivra (since The blood drains from his face it’s asking to killing him) (rishonim on the gemorah)
That is where I am coming from (remember your comments were in the context of this taking place in public)
Where are you coming from?
As to kollelman comment
I did not want to go there but I think it is quite obvious that there are many times when the female in question has not gained even an ounce in quite some time vihamayvin yavin
It’s time to stop making excuses for people who openly flout halacha
The halacha of Dan likaf zechus has guidelines. Did you know that when it comes to an average person doing something clearly wrong according to some rishonim YOU ARE MECHUYAV to Dan likaf chov? Look in the chafetz Chaim in the pesicha “essin number 3” and follow the footnotesRebbeyid
I just read over your signal response to me
“Criticizing is worse than insulting” ??? Really?unless you mean that in your opinion every criticism contains insults as well,
Where on earth do you get such a hashkafak from??
To insult someone Is akin to murder on some level . to the extent that one loses their share in the world to come.
I never saw such harsh words about unwarranted criticism.
Certainly Not about warranted
Please clarifyRebbeyid
“you are calling them fat. “””And it’s not nice to call people fat.”
That too Is not judgement?
Time to own up
We all judge others
And there is nothing wrong with nicely telling a friend that their clothes are too tight
Anymore than when you tell a friend that what they are saying Is lashon hara.
Should one Not do that either?
Maybe the reason they were saying the story gr8 because they did Not realize it was negative. So really when you tell your friend “please stop saying that. Its lashon hara. You are really just calling your friend a stupid person.
That is so Not nice
And judgemental tooRebbeyid
“Therefore, by saying that someone is not b’tznius because their clothing is too tight, you are calling them fat. And it’s not nice to call people fat.”
Seems like judgement to me .
Just quoting
You
Btw . when you say I am overanalyzing the issue. to me that seems like a criticism.
What time is your auto-da-fe?
Can I bring snack?Rebbeyid
I must be missing something I do not see anywhere on the thread that there was public criticism I was assuming that it was a question of one girl perhaps telling her friend you should not be wearing such a thing it is not befitting I don’t see anywhere that there is a talk of public criticism inter-gender criticism I don’t know where all this information is hidden but I cannot find it on the thread in the original post maybe I am missing the first postRebbeyid
I find your comment fascinating
Let’s break it down
Somebody says a girl’s shirt is too tight
In order to give the girl the benefit of the doubt you will now make the assumption that originally the shirt was perfect size just now she grew and did not realize that it is perhaps no longer and acceptable shirt
That is a beautiful way of judging someone favorably how ironic
How ironic is it then that the outcome of taking someone who to the Casual Observer is doing something improper and by you finding a way of judging them favorably you are now taking someone who to the Casual Observer did nothing wrong because all they did was make a specific factual comment or statement that the shirt in question is unacceptable and now you made them into the person who did something wrong and offensive
So to sum up you took two people who to an objective Observer person number one did something wrong and person number 2 did nothing wrong
You figured out a way to negate the wrong that person number one did by slapping person number 2 with a wrongdoing
That is exactly what is known in the vernacular as
PC garbageHealth; help me out here.
I am new to this board
Here is what I was able to make outYou feel that there is an intrinsic value in ”choice” no matter how poor that choice may be
Having put all that to record here are my two questions
1- what is the issue with hatzolah? No names just issues
2- don’t we have plenty of choice without ezras nashim?
You could call
Nyc ems
Cablevision
311
Citicards
Chase credit cards
Shoprite
Goldberg’s supermarket
1800weather
And the list goes on
These may be very poor choices but from your posts it is clear You are only looking to make sure there is choiceedited – by ‘new’did you mean screen name?
Sorry about lack of proper punctuation. I am typing on a small phone screen and its extremely difficult to actually see what I am writing.
My basic point in short
Perhaps the girl had religious issues. (Seems so from the paragraph about how her parents tried to save her soul for five years.
Perhaps the parent(s) who called represent a real financial threat to the stability of the school.
Would you recommend the school close down?
Its a tough call and I don’t know the answer.
Perhaps the school told the parents not to send their daughter but the parents sent her to try to force the school’s handIt seems every commentor is missing the point it seems quite clear that this girl had some sort of religious issues that may be the letter writers changed details and low Scholastic achievement may be a euphemism for low religious tendencies the parent who called two say that they would pull their child was within their rights the school is additionally within their rights to decide between the two children the school now has an ultimatum to decide between the two children if the school felt that losing and influential or financially giving parent would be to the great detriment of the school perhaps undermining the financial stability of the entire school what would you like the school to do would you like the school to shut down due to financial loss are you as a commenter prepared to cough up the necessary funds to keep the school going if the school loses affluent parent buddy the only question that seems to remain is how should the school proceed that is really the domain of the school administrator probably the administrator should not approach the girl on the first day of school and throw her out however that may also be detail that was changed within the letter and perhaps the administrator actually called the parents perhaps the administrator called the parents the day before the school started and told them to please not send their daughter perhaps the parents felt they would force the school’s hand and sent her anyway I do not know neither do any of the other commenters on this site know .
what I do know is that schools are placed in very difficult positions on constant basis yes Lakewood is and therefore it is not a community school system there are many many merit-based schools that is a fact of life it is a problem I do not know the solution neither do any of the commenters on this siteyw mod 42, did you mean “moooed”
mytake, well said, but why does the community patronize the shops that sell this stuff. we dont buy from non kosher butcher stores, why buy from non kosher dress stores
“NASI is NOT against the freezer. Never has been and probably never will be. Especially since the freezer isn’t going away any time soon and”
” NASI doens’t waste it’s time on ideas that aren’t going to be implemented.”
really?so is nasi closed? which of their genius ideas was so great? laying out 15 grand to go on a list?
“frum” girls who dress like street walkers
“frum marrieds ” who wear wigs that cover more than their skirt
unfortunately i dont think the average frum family makes ens meet .
kupat hair is responsible for degrading the worth of gedolay yisroel into slick snake oil salesmen.
females should dress with an awareness that they are going into the PUBLIC arena before they go out. no, not don’t look. don’t wear!
nature, i had same elementary school teacher as you only the story was with a fruit and vegetable store
the “had” goes something like this
kid named had writes an essay . in it he writes i had lunch. teacher takes of a point resulting in a 99 -highest mark in class. teacher says Had had had “had” had Had had ,”had had” Had had gotten 100