To up the squeamish factor
What is the punishment for being meanes a meter married Jewish girl?
Money, and he must marry her!!!
Now granted she can say no way, but think about that, the Torah is saying that the meanes should marry his victim!!!!
Isn’t that a horrible thing?? We should throw him in jail and lose the key? No??
She should look at the guy every morning when she wakes up?
How can that be?
Obviously the Torah does not view the act with the horror western “civilization ” does.
Again I’m just reading the Torah.
If it was as horrible as western thought holds, why would the Torah even allow him to marry her.
Much less require her to refuse in the instance that she doesn’t want to

Ubiq
Yes basically you are understanding correctly what I’m trying to say.
One can say that a molester is a mazik, and as such is chayav the same as any other mazik .
But that is not a special chiyuv for molestation.

You can tell your rov that I went to a mainstream American charaydi yeshiva.
If you can , please find out from him, chapter and verse, the punishment for a non Jew being meanes a non Jewish woman, and the source for special treatment (ie extra severity ) of a molester.
(please don’t get me wrong. I have no soft feelings for molesters and would not allow my child in one’s presence. But that doesn’t necessarily translate into severe punishment for the fellow. I don’t make hashems cheshbonos ). If the torch does not proscribe a specific punishment, whether rabbinical or Torah, then it normally indicates a lower severity.

I don’t see how my post shows stifling me critical thinking.
I may be flat out wrong, but I am certainly engaging in non standard thinking.
If anything I think most people would never entertain such ideas since nobody else does. And they would never bother to think for themselves as to whether they are correct or not.
I believe I am engaging in critical thought.
Again, I may be factually totally wrong, and I’m open to hearing it. But just for someone to tell me “that’s perverse thought ”
I don’t really give any weight to that.
If I’m wrong show me.
I stated clear supposedly factual positions. If I’m wrong it should be pretty easy to show

Or to put it a different way,
Since you are seeming to try to justify its “severity “by pulling out the embarrassment card.
If you call someone a nasty name in public, you are embarrassing them.
Yet would you say that that is the worst crime short of murder?
(of course now you will say something of the sort. But honestly, had I asked, do you think someone should go to jail for life if they call someone a nasty name in public, you’d say I’m Josef like and I’m just nasty trolling.
Yet from the embarrassment angle, they are both the same.)
I’m not so sure you are right anyway, because if it was done in private, that may not be called embarrassing.

Ubiq,
I don’t remember which thread it was on so I can’t look.
I seen to recall you asked a similar question, and I responded and changed the details slightly to this.
C A
If there was, then yes.
If not, it’s at worst a Lav which with hassrah , would get malkus. Possibly it’s not even that much.
In western society, it’s just one step below murder.
Most people I have asked this to seem to lean more to the western feelings on this topic and have a rough time accepting that the Torah doesn’t view it that way

Just read and scanned this thread
Wow
There are at least three issues being jumbled here
Josef posited that women should lose the right to vote.
From his next comments it seems he really meant to say feminism has failed.
Not sure how that equates with the right to vote
They may be connected, they may not.
Someone asked Josef if he has any halachic backing for his position.
Instead of responding “all I said is my opinion is that feminism has been a dismal failure,” he responded with a halachic reference.
For which he was attacked, that that’s an archaic position rendered obsolete by the passage of suffrage!!
He should have responded “who cares! I never stated my opinion based on that, I am just opining that an objective observer would agree that feminism has failed ”
Instead he took the bait and the discussion devolved to whether old halachic opinions carry weight when the facts change.

I want to bring the discussion back to what Josef claims was his original intent (if misleading title)
Does anyone believe that the world is in a better situation now that women have been emancipated from domestic “servitude “?
As a follow up, what about the orthodox Jewish community?

The reason I only rescind my previous posts but do not switch my opinion, is because one can differentiate that there it was just hate /spite whereas here it is with just cause. However I’m not certain which way to go

Sam, let me remind you of a previous post you wrote

HASHEM RUNS THE WORLD AND HAS A PLAN FOR EACH COUNTRY AND EACH PERSONS LIFE

Don’t be so petty to slap a two star rating on a yid trying to make a living because USPS smashed up your order

So in other words
Joseph and ry23

You both feel that even though the parent is aware that their child does not have an admission Card and knows the ramifications of sending their child to school without it, and still chooses to send their child, the school is wrong for carrying out their terms that they clearly enunciated to the parents???
Really?
So the school should say, well we really didn’t want to allow this child in because their parents are stiffing us and giving us attitude to boot, but hey, once you sent your kid we’ll keep them in school.
I wonder how that will work out for the viability of the school in the long run.
And when the school can’t pay their teachers, will you Joseph be understanding that it’s because they have no way to force recalcitrant parents to pay, (because once word gets out that if you don’t pay they won’t throw your kid out, many more parents will stop paying, because why not)
Or will you pontificate about the school having an obligation to their staff to pay on-time?

Without mentioning names of schools
A prominent administrator told me, they only withhold cards from parent who won’t speak to the business office, and just make believe all is OK.
It also is Never done without warning the parent.
So I ask you or undercover bocher ,
Who is doing wrong here?
The school that can’t function without money, and tried in good faith to work something out, and warned the parents,?
Or the self centered stuck up arrogant parent, who ignores the school and then callously sends their own kid !!! To the lions den to be embarrassed, basically telling the school, I dare you to carry out your threat???

Agreed
I think fully but it’s a bit long so I skimmed parts of it.

Again my point is solely to address Those who contend that corporal punishment has no part in חינוך and never did. And who would go to great lengths to reinterpret the passuk/im that they do not mean the simple meaning that they actually say.
Guidelines? Parameters? Those are individual considerations Not really subject to blanket public parameters

No. But I try to kiss my eyes ☺

As to the question about toeles
There are a few issues
1) you may only tell the person to whom it’s applicable. A public review is open for everyone so it would not be permitted.
2) the c”c, I believe in beginning of rechilus ninth perek Makes a clear distinction between responding truthfully and volunteering information. The first is often permitted. The second (to volunteer unasked, aka an online review) is almost always forbidden
3) the heter of
. תועלת הוא רק לעושה מעשה עמך והמבין יבין

The shamir did NOT EAT rock.
It split the rock like a ripe fruit splits WITHOUT LOSING ANY OF THE ROCK matter!!!

Obviously this is not the Shamir

How did btguy know in 2012 that the Donald would become president?

lightbrite
ill repost
ever hear of rus?
she was a ger
married a nasi gadol hador
caused the creation of dovid hamelech along with the rest of his liniage up and down through mashiach
which bar in shidduchim are you worried about?

Yeah
Yo
Some of us make sure to say we pray instead of Daven

BTW what is lo titgodedu ?
Perchance you mean lo sisgodidu ?

Once you opened it up can you explain to me what the sav did wrong that it is always mangled by the sefardim/tzionim ?
Like maybe we should say
Vanachnu korim umishtachavim umodim lipney melek malkay hamlakim

Or viahabta et hashem elokeka bikol libabka ubkol napshika ubkol miodeka