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David Bar-Magen and illini07:
Maybe you guys should come spend some time in Eretz Yisroel where it’s “????? ????? ??????” (“the air of the Land makes one wise”), because you need to be infused with some wisdom (if you can make such an equation…) 🙂 (don’t take that personally, we’re just having a great time discussing this)
If you go to the bakery, you’re not there to inter-mingle with the customer; you’re there to buy your bread. If you call your neighbor to find out if your kid is there, and the wife answers, you’re not calling to shmooz with her; you’re calling to find out some info.
According to you, Rabbonim shouldn’t ever receive women’s shaylos b/c they might becoming friendly with them. What will Dovid Hamelech say to that? (where the Gemora early in Brochos says he took pride in the fact that his hands were blood-dirty from answering such shaylos.)
The point here (and I’m not quite sure why it’s so hard to understand) is that friendly-like situtations CANNOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE be gender-mixed. Business-like cases: well, “you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do”.
intellegent: good point there about the tuition, and don’t forget insurance (which anonymouse1079 just mentioned)
When we moved last year, we saved nearly $30,000 in these 2 departments alone. Of course there are some other expenses that you don’t have in USA (arnona if you rent, car/gas if you plan on getting one) – but for the most part, it’s much cheaper to live in EY. And I recently heard from an Israeli whose son works on the financial sector of Switzerland (we’re talking big $$$$$$), that although his son earns 3 times as much as he does, the sone rarely “makes the month” – but his father living in EY never has this problem.
So definitely, besides for Dollars and Shekels, you need to carry some Emunah bills with you while living here – it’s worth it!
illini07, so when are you going to permit McDonalds?
Going to Facebook (and having mix-gender “friends”) is just the same “issur d’Oraissa” as eating treif, as the Torah clearly writes “??? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??????”, and “?????? ?? ??? ????? ???????” (the former you know what it means, the latter refers to the chiyuv d’Oraissa to refrain from gender taaruves)
nameless, (sorry i’m so late, but B”H i live in E”Y and i miss out on everything while i’m sleeping 🙂
“I have a friend who told me that whenever they speak a shidduch for her son, she checks to see if the girl is on facebook. If she is, she WONT GO INTO IT!”
Ahh! Finally, someone who has some seichel in their head! tizku l’mitzvos!
Facebook in Gimatria (???????) =
??? (stench)
JF02, our condolences to you for the loss of your father.
The Jewish Depress is no resource for what the Torah permits or doesn’t.
Disgrace-Book is a disgrace to anyone who has even a drop of yiras shomayim. Open any person’s page, and right away you see the pictures of all the zoynos/shiktzos on his “friend” list.
To those friends I say: “??? ??? ???? ?????” (referring to Yorovom Ben Nevot, who corrupted Klal Yisroel – Berochos 35)
“jewish” and “feminist” are oxymorons
halavai: I don’t believe any of the <i>nochri</> fruits and veges during Shmitta were from Europe and the USA, but rather from Jordan.
But absolutely, since our move a year ago we also wouldn’t trade it for anything, despite some of the hardships.
We try to tell our story to others back in Chul, hopefully they’ll follow these footsteps and come back home too.
How about my favorite: Kitzur Shulchan Aruch (just like my YWN name), where you can learn your daily dosage of Kitzur, based on the international schedule.
We just recently went through the same wonderful experience of moving to Eretz Yisroel (and yes, we did it before Obama came into the picture 🙂 – So if you have any questions, please email me and we can talk.
to quote the words of a famous scholar: “I don’t see the value of fiction.”
he’s already talking and acting just like Achashverosh (??? ??????), always changing his policy (suddenly hiring Jews, speaking against his brethren the Iranians, etc.) based on what’s popular – an examplary democRAT
simple, “HaReb Hagaon” (referring to the new practice of calling Rebbetzins “Reb. so-and-so”)
TOHIGHSCHOOLGUY, since her name is “GILA”, i don’t think she has a rosh yeshiva, but perhaps a seminary dean, or a high school teacher. (actually, if she’s in HS, she shouldn’t be online), so skip that choice. but she may discuss it with her LO rov or rebbetzin
i-LIE-ni-07: stop lying to yourself and get the picture: obama’s bad for us (us the jews and US the United States). stop being such a liberal (from the word ‘liberate’, meaning, you’re free from all obligations), and stop believing all the garbage the media’s shoving down your throat.
A joke originating from Bnei Brak:
The title “Gaon” is used nowadays primarily to differentiate between a man and a woman 🙂
cantoresq, there’s certainly the mitzva of tochacha (rebuke) when you see someone doing something wrong
how about: “How to impeach him”?
Queen of Persia: Come join us and live in Eretz Yisroel, you’ll see how safe it is.
shkoyach: “Halacha shtait that Eisav Soineh Yaakov” – this guy’s Yishmoel, not Eisav. Not always does the shver agree with the eidim 🙂
If you need further advice on how/why to come to EY, send me an email: [email protected]
I guarantee that if the American public was more “well-versed” that his middle name is Hussein, he wouldn’t have a chance next week.
Proof: Google “Barack Obama” and you get 70,600,000 results. For “Barack Hussein Obama” you get only 1,460,000.
?? ????? ????? ??? ???
YWN! 🙂
it’s ok mariner, and i never took it that way – i live in EY, where it’s common to poke fun of people, and aderaba, it makes you feel like you’re more appreciated that way… Kol Tuv to you, and a Ksiva v’Chasima Tova and a Gut Gebentsched Yohr !
rabbiofberlin, just a side point: I always thought your name was “stam” made up, but I see by the way you spell “Daas Jochid”, that you really are from Germany. “Ich habe Deutsch drei Jahre studiert”, and I’m very for the German language and spelling. “Mein Grosseltern sind aus Mannheim gekommen”, and it runs in my blood.
mariner, (this is getting fun 🙂 – have you tried Office 2007, or Vista for that matter? Did they add ANYTHING there as far as features, or just LOOKS (ribbons, transparency, etc.)
It’s true that originally Mac had this image that it was superior for graphics apps, and that PC controlled the business world, but all that’s history now.
Correct, Adobe & Office will run better of PC, since they’re made for that. But other multi-platform apps are a different subject altogether.
Think about it, how long did it take MS to come up with their on-steroids ASP.net (to rival PHP)? Have you ever tried (babyish) ASP classic? It’s just running a bunch of VBScripts with some object (and/or database) calls. Nothing to brag about! And IE7 – how long did it take MS to copy Opera’s tabs and page zooming?
The bottom line is that MS w/ Bill Gates at the helm are just a bunch of copy-catters (sorry for my childhood terms, I get it from my kids), and can’t invent anything new on their own (but give them much credit for being excellent in marketing as far as looks goes).
Case in point: MySQL and Oracle vs. SQL Server (time them, see who’s faster); Opera & Firefox vs. IE (time their JavaScript parsing); Lotus and WordPerfect vs. Office (see who crashes more often); MacOS vs. Windows (same as above) – the list goes on and on. Who came first? the non-Microsoft, only to be followed by MS’s copying.
berlin rabbi: you’re right, the sefer Ahavas Chessed isn’t that famous, and I should have used a different word. There definitely are opinions that hold that Maaser Kesofim is d’Orayssa, based on the psukim “Aser a’aser loch”
Hey raboisay, there are plenty of takanos in Chazal about this exact thing: Rabban Gamliel made a takana that even the wealthy should make inexpensive levayos, etc. – all for the purpose of not embarassing those who don’t have.
SJSinNYC, don’t worry, people blare their AC here that you don’t feel the heat 🙂
True, if you’re set up financially etc. in America, than you probably shouldn’t think of moving – each person has their own story of why or why not…
i completely disagree with you mariner: Mac is essentially Linux under the hood, and farkert, the reason why Macs were invented (and still are being used) is for the non-techies who want some computing power. So again, the software written for Mac/Linux is much more stable (and therefore won’t cause a crash), since it’s made by developers who concentrate much more on the “toychen” (contents) of the app, rather than Microsoft’s goal of esthetics (more chitzoyniyus than pnimiyus)
Yes, Macs are more costly, and by now XP’s proven itself to be pretty stable (we can’t say that for Vista though) – so therefore there isn’t the urgent mad rush to get a Mac.
I personally use a PC (need it to interact with the software development world and Sforim production biz that I’m in) – but my wife uses a Mac for other professional applications, and she can’t rave enough about how much better it is than her former PC.
the basic difference is as follows:
MAC: much more stable (i.e., programs and PC won’t suddenly crash on you, making you lose data)
PC: about 97% of the world’s software is written for PC, so if you want to use a specialized software (besides for the regular internet, email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), you may not be able to find a Mac version of it.
mariner, do you realize that Yom Hadin is in a week? How dare you put down the Tanna Hakadosh Hillel Hazaken who was <i>mesaken</i> the pruzbul, based on psukim in the Torah? (Refer to Gittin, approximately Daf 34-37)
Simple solution to chunchie & SJSinNYC: Move to Eretz Yisroel, where the weekend is Friday/Shabbos. Also, when you start working at a company, you get more vacation days (EXCLUDING the Yom Tovim) than any USA job could think of, even after a few years of working there!)
Yes, it’s true, salaries aren’t the same as in America. But when you think of how much insurance and tuition that you DON’T have to pay (I saved about $30,000 once I moved – yes, $30,000), it makes the big picture MUCH different.
One more thing: If you’re in the IT field, there are TONS of jobs available here, much more that in the USA.
Pashuteh Yid, that’s “Kova Tembel”, which you may not need anymore on Sukkos, since the clock goes back an hour already, and summer finally starts to say good-bye.
Also Joe Schmo, be EXTREMELY careful on how/where you select your Esrog. As we’re nearing the end of Shmitta, the esrogim will still be Peiros Shviis (Shmitta produce) and you have to be very careful of how you handle them – they contain an immense amount of Kedusha. The same holds true for Kashrus. Make sure that when you dine out (or by food at a grocery) you get a very good Mehadrin hechsher, which won’t use ridiculously fabricated kulos (leniencies).
Enjoy every moment, and maybe we’ll bump into each other!
charvona and the rest: nobody mentioned here that part of the reason is due to the Churban (and I also heard that it’s due to the Girush Sfard (Spanish Inquisition) and the Pogroms of Tach v’Tat (approx. year 1648)) – so definitely Yosef Hatzaddik lived before the Churban.
Actually, what needs to be done is to have an Eretz Yisroel representative of the YWN Editor, since we here in EY don’t see all the updates till late afternoon at the earliest, and we have to go a whole morning wondering how the conversation will turn out.
I believe – and correct me please if I’m wrong – that Yechiel Spira has the adminstrative permission to update the site with his stories. I doubt that the YWN Editor is up when it’s 11:00AM here (4:00AM NY time), and yet the stories appear a minute or two after they occur – such as on the black day of the “murderer-for 2 bodies” exchange a few months back, when Spira immediately posted his report.
Maybe YWN should appoint someone such as Yechiel for the Coffeeroom as well.
Remember the 5 main categories: ????, ????, ??, ???, ?????
Each level on the hierarchy was created to serve its superior. So how could human beings denounce shechita and the like? Sounds just like the Nazi YM”S practice of calling the Yidden “Hund” (dog), and their dogs “Mensch”.
SJS: send him my regards 🙂
Opera! Opera! Opera!
The only browser that allows you directly from the toolbar to click a button and no pictures are displayed (unlike Foxpro and IE where you have to go through a whole bunch of settings until you find it.)
So if you’re worried about tzniyus/pritzus (and who shouldn’t be when online,) then choose Opera.
They do have a job. It’s called “????? ?????” 🙂
intellegent and Itzik_s: Besides for being open source is Itzik said, PHP is very popular here in EY (much more than in the Microsoft-ruled USA). (I believe PHP was invented here too) The work ethic here in EY is much more similar to Europe, where PHP is used professionally very heavily. Try finding a USA job with PHP – good luck. But here it’s on par with .NET – and can land you a very good salary. (Actualy, I was told that experienced Java developers earn even more then their .NET counterparts.)
Since you don’t seem to be tech oriented, you might want to call USA hospitals (especially those in smaller cities,) and ask them if they need anyone to work on the midnight shift for data monitoring. (That’s 7:00 AM here – in America no one wants those hours, but in EY, it’s ideal.) – Hatzlacha
Yanky55 (from page 1 of this thread):
Rashi in Rosh Hashana addresses your very point.
On Daf 32b D”H ???????? (top of the wide lines at the bottom of the amud) Rashi says: “???? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ?? ????? ?????” (“Once Yerushalayim was destroyed, the Chachamim saw no need to beautify it.”)
Sorry it took me so long to answer you, I had to find the exact source.
there’s never a need to don l’kaf zchus for RESHOIM – so unless you’re sure the guy’s a rosho, you MUST be don him l’kaf zchus
“Give Me a Break”, Barak Hussein Obama is a Muslim, Jew-hating African American. Why should we not be worried about him?
gonisoheiv: he didn’t say HE said it, rather R. Aron Soleveitchik said it
Joseph: I don’t think Southfield/OP are shrinking. I know some ppl have left there due to job problems. Find out directly from someone there, if you’re truly interested in moving. Let me know if you need help.
jphone: Miami’s not an option – too much pritzus, the same holds true for LA. (but regardless of that, these 2 places aren’t cheap to live at all) – try Detroit, very affordable housing (some are running for less than $100,000) – just be cautious of the job situation there, where unfortunately they’ve been hit hard lately
why don’t you come to Eretz Yisroel and live a simple, non-showy life, instead of living in Esav-America land (in Gimatria ??? = ???????), where it’s all about showing off chitzoniyus – so stop all this outer nonsense garbage and keep in mind, it’s not just the israeli kibbutz that’s doing it, it’s all over eretz yisroel, and i guess when moshiach comes, will you choose to stay back, since you can’t wear your shaitel on shabbos?
also, in Gimatria: ??? = ????? ???
josephf: I’m referring to the remarks of the prominent figure who, following the June 1967 Israeli capture of the Old City, said: “?? ???? ??????”.
Another point is distance. If your parents live in Yerushalaim and you live in Beitar, so it’s about a 20 minute bus ride.
But l’havdil if the parents live in NY, and the kids in Chicago – then we’re talking about an 18 hour drive, or a 2 hour flight.
oh yeah, you want the others’ kids telling yours about what they see on TV?