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@RSo
Do you happen to realize that based on your definitive standard for a ‘gadol’ …. many of the Talmidei HaBaal Shem Tov Hakadosh would be far from ‘Gdolim’ (עפ”ל)Shall we start with……..R’ Nachman M’breslov?
I believe you have written on this thread that you belong to a ‘chassidic’ group. However seeing how you have a lack of knowledge of basic texts (Shas, Rambam etc.), and misconstrue them at will (the Gemara in Chullin did not say anything about staying in golus) I do not expect you to have knowledge of the history of Chassidism.
צא ולמד@RSo
“There is no inyan of arvus in encouraging goyim to keep their mitzvos. ”רמב”ם הל’ מלכים פ”ח
וְכֵן צִוָּה משֶׁה רַבֵּנוּ מִפִּי הַגְּבוּרָה לָכֹף אֶת כָּל בָּאֵי הָעוֹלָם לְקַבֵּל מִצְוֹת שֶׁנִּצְטַוּוּ בְּנֵי נֹחַThe Rebbe based his campaign on this Rambam. Yes, obviously, there are different opinion and there are those who disagree with the Rebbe. But to call ‘stam mishigass’ (instead of perhaps ‘a minority opinion or the like) shows a lack of knowledge on your part.
P.S. The Rebbe did not want it done with cards and the like. There are letters (or more accurately מענות) of the Rebbe to that effect. Additionally, I am almost positive that it was not meant for bochurim but rather those who have contact with non-Jews either way
@RSo
“I’m sure on occasion it’s Ahavas Yisrael that is their impetus, but knowing MANY chabad house directors I am also sure that it is often just a matter of finding a job – sometimes a hard job – that gives you kovod within your own circle and in a community of people who don’t know any different.”Interesting point. Would you hold the same of the thousands of yidden learning in kollel (in USA and EY)?
They have strong societal pressure, and get (some sort of) paycheck from it?How about the melamdim, ram”im, roshei yeshivos?
To Rso and NevilleChaimBerlin:
CS supposedly said as following ““There is a general lack of the kind of leadership and tzaddikim of yore- even during the Rebbe’s days there was a lack of tzaddikim with no yetzer hara.”
You both jumped to attack, calling it ‘apikursos’ ‘garbage’ ‘slandering tzadikim’ etc etcCongratulations! By doing so you have shown yourself to have never opened up a ספר תניא קדישא even to the first chapter. In fact, it is not even Tanya who is the source that Tzadikim are a real entity – Tanya quotes it from a Gemara! ראה הקב”ה בצדיקים שהם מועטים, עמד ושתלן בכל דור ודור” – יומא לח ב” The Meforshim explain that some generations only have one (!) tzaddik. If every Rosh Yeshiva, Rebbe, and Manhig is a tzaddik, there was definitely no time in the past thousand years that there was a dearth……
So to this claim, and many other claims that are based on simple ignorance I proudly say:
לא עלינו תלונותיכם כי על כ”ק הגה”ק אדמו”ר בעל התניא והשו”ע זיע”א!!And now I turn to you with a challenge:
(I know this will lead to more Chabad-bashing but I cant resist)
The בעל שם טוב הקדוש was told by משיח while he was in היכל המשיח – in the heavenly realms, that משיח will come כשיפוצו מעיינותיך חוצה. These are the words of the Besht himself, in a letter to his brother in law.Let us put aside our difference for a moment; go to your nearest בית מדרש, take out a קדושת לוי or a נועם אלימלך, a שפת אמת or a לקוטי מוהרן and learn a little פנימיות התורה. We all agree that Yidden have suffered enough in golus. Let us do something that the Besht told us will hasten our redemption בב”א
@NevilleChaimBerlin
“There’s no eternal struggle between Chassidim and Litvaks. Chabadniks are the only ones still fighting.”
Just to throw some gasoline into the fire – have you been following the recent politics among the Charedim in Eretz Yisroel? FYI according to R’ Chaim Kanievski, any chossid who listened to his his Rebbe from Agudas Yisroel (which would include גור, ויזניץ, סלונים, and many others) was a משנאי ה’ and a מחלל שם שמים
(I am not commenting on the main point of the thread. No one is actually interested in hearing something different than their opinion.)
RSO,
This is a classic example of ‘moving the goalposts’
At first, you were claiming that one can not demand anything from Hashem and it is a wrong thing to do.
Now, after being shown a source from one of the gedolei yisroel, you say it is fine to demand, but only in certain circumstances, (which parenthetically, you made up based on your understanding)I would love to have a honest discussion/debate. To do that some intellectual honesty is necessary. Is that a possibility?
Toi,
Perhaps, just as ChabadShlucha is siding with one opinion brought by gedolei yisroel and refuses to recognize the other opinion as legitimate, maybe, just maybe you are doing the same thing?
In Torah one can have two opinions that totally disagree with each other and we still say “אלו ואלו דא”ח”With regards to the point being discussed.
The following is a quote from a article. The source brought is Sichot Chafetz Chaim, par. 14. I do not own that sefer, and could not find it online on hebrewbooks or other websites. If someone could quote the priginal that would be much appreciated.
“We pray for the redemption several times every day. Even so, requesting by itself is not enough. One must demand the redemption, just as with the wages of a hired worker: the law stipulates that if the worker does not demand his wages, there is no obligation to give it to him on the very day that he completes his work. So, too, we must demand our redemption. Failure to do so shows that this matter is clearly not that urgent to us!”To summarize: as in most concepts in Yiddishkeit, there are different opinions. On Davening in general, one can find numerous shittos (in Rishonim) on what one accomplishes, why do we need to ask, and similar questions. The fact that the Chovos Halevavos brings one, does not in any way negate the others. Hence the concept of מחלוקת in Judaism. Same applies here.
Just because this keeps coming up:
The Lubavitcher Rebbe told one person in a (semi) private audience that he should buy one ticket, after he asked whether he should. In no way does that show what the Rebbe’s general opinion was regarding buying lottery tickets, hishtadlus vs bitachon, etc etc. Until one knows the full back story of the individual, one can not properly gauge anything from the storyAn interesting side point: In “Reshimas Hayoman” – The Lubavitcher Rebbe’s personal diary, it relates that the 3rd and 4th Chabad Rabbeim (The ‘Tzemach Tzedek’ – a famed posek – and the Rebbe Maharash) used to buy lottery tickets
NevilleChaimBerliner
Perhaps back up your “piskei halacha” with some actual sources?
Millhouse quoted sources. You can disagree but why not just say *why* you think him to be wrong.