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People claiming there is nothing to do about it, have no idea that there are serious warning signs. Not for everyone but trained specialists should be consulted. They aren’t because no one ever speaks up. Most people don’t even know whats concerning in the first place, but they should know. The secerity of what happened isnt common, but realistically there are dozens and dozens of kids in situations that are seriously dangerous (not a doomsday prediction ch’vs).Intentionally remaining ignorant to sign and danger does not excuse to not seeing the danger. It’s לא תעמד על דם רעך
If we pretend it didn’t happen, we can resume talking about how these things are very rare in the frum community. And we can continue not learning the warning signs of dangerous mental health disorders, domestic abuse and child abuse. A tragic self fulfilling prophecy
Can anyone who reads his diatribes bring any points he really makes? He asks a lot of questions, but seems to believe that the questions prove his points. “Are things really better with resumes? ” He has no answer. He lists 6 points in the above post and never addresses them outside one or two anecdotes and his repeating over and over and over “are things better?”
We can and should improve shidduch process and support for singles but this is a ridiculous messenger with nothing of content to sayIs he still writing? He is more a lonely blogger than Rav and not to be taken seriously. people that know him personally are more concerned for his well being than interested in his ideas.
“When the lehavdil christians say that g-d is in yoshe afra lepumeihu they mean that their deity is nowhere else. This is avodah zara.”
I can’t say I’m am expert in Christianity, but I studied a little in college and Christian philosophy and this is not true, the trinity isn’t so different from what some chabad claim. Christians believe essentially in a paradox, but still hold their diety can not be limited to a body. There are only very very slight differences with how Christians view of God and our view of Hashem, wich is why it’s dangerous to play around with and important to nip wrong views in the bud. It’s so easy start espousing heretical ideas without even noticing@avirah Bais Rabeinu She’Bavel is the sefer, parshas chaya Sarah 5751 his public dvar torah
@Yserbus, the Rebbe came up with the “Yechi” chant himself Nissan 5748, and is known Chabad circles. He definitely didn’t try to get people to stop it, maybe once or twice when he needed too speak already and it was too much. He also has many published sichos and speeches referring to himself as Moshiach (Bais Rabeinu She’Bavel, also claiming 770 counts as rebuilding the Bais Hamikdash for example), so it would be interesting to see what he says in this letter.
@ reb eliezer, I see a bunch of typos in my post, what can I say? it should read Hashem capitol H. The Rebbe still said what he said
@ reb eliezer
I did not misunderstand, it was posted in the coffee room many times, he said of himself he is “aztmus umihus…” of hashem “areingeshtelt in a guf’. I do t have exactly where and when it was said, but he said it more than once, and not a out all Jews, but about himself. It was discussed a lot on the coffee room if you search it. (Chabad will of course simply say it’s not at face value, we don’t understand chassidus, only Chabad Chassidim learn chassidus.)The rebbe himself believed he was hashem in a guf (he said so himself), maybe Chabad disagrees.
Beis Rebbe is not a reliable source. It’s a collection of second and third hand stories, not unlike Touched by a Story
Why couldn’t the alter rebbe leave? He would rather listen to someone disrespect the besht? Is there a reason he did not defend chassidus? He certainly could have changed the misnaghids mind, (he of course would have changed the Gra’s mind given the oppurtunity). No, the story has it the Alter Rebbe decided to let himself and his path the hashem be smeared, for shalom and a hot beverag (in this version, there are many versions of this fairy tale)
Generally accetped frum view (artscroll) is just a hundred years.
” if you speak to your average Litvisher Yeshiva bochur…”
It’s important to note, the average litvish yeshiva bachur does not get an equivalent education in litvish haskafa as do chassidic bachurim in chasidus. In fact they really get very very little.They dont seem happier at all in my experience with the exception of psuedo breslov. What chassidim or where? Walking down the street in Williamsburg it people seem happier? Kiras Yoel? Chassidim in Bnei Brak? Are you sure you’re not thinking of the general happy chassid stereotype of Marim Buber, Gershom Scholem ect…
Baltimore has by far more violent crime per capita than any major city in America. I lived there until 5 years ago, my family is a mostly still there. I know 5 people who have had there cars stolen in baltimore recently. I still get shomrim notifications there, it’s rough. Many home invasions as well.
Yserbius123, no frum baltimoreans went to jail? What?!?!?! You must have your head deep deep deep in the sandRebetzin, Thank you
Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname, where did you hear Rav Hutner and the rebbe were chavrusas? I have heard that as well, but the Chabadskers I know have not heard this. And honestly Chabad knows EVERY detail of the Rebbes life, so I’m a little skeptical its true.
Chabad members feel free to chime in as well.I’m not at all saying it is a halachic problem, i have Davened in places with giant rebbe pictures many times. It is unusual, and may lead people to think Chabad davens to rebbe pictures. It may even lead certain meshichist to think they’re davening to rebbe pictures.
Chabad does no daven to images of the rebbe, but do have pictures of the rebbe in battei medrosh, yeshivas, and chabad houses in The room where regular minyanim take place.
“Unless you’d like to clarify?”
Rambam you’re referencing was brought up a few times by myself and others. She claims she addressed them, I don’t know where. It seems to me she really sincerely doesn’t see the issues.“The mistake they made was that Hashem never told us to worship the stars”
Is that in the Rambam? He says the mistake was in the calculation, he hardly touches the actual worship of stars. It’s even more clear in Hebrew the mistake was in the thinking honoring those closer to Hashem is like honoring Hashem. I guess unless it’s a RebbeCDS
I know you can read a Rambam, and probably know that Rambam already. He clearly says what the the problem is, and it exactly what you say makes it kosher.
“avoda zara if not within Hashem’s system… the egel was an outside entity that the yidden came up with”
Here’s the English Rambam from Chabad.orgTheir mistake was as follows: They said God created stars and spheres with which to control the world. He placed them on high and treated them with honor, making them servants who minister before Him. Accordingly, it is fitting to praise and glorify them and to treat them with honor. [They perceived] this to be the will of God, blessed be He, that they magnify and honor those whom He magnified and honored, just as a king desires that the servants who stand before him be honored. Indeed, doing so is an expression of honor to the king.
They clearly percieved it within the system. The Ramabm goes on as everyone knows and says only later false prophets took them away from Hashem, they remembered who they ultimately were serving, just they had an intemidiary. An I termediary who was closer to Hashem, who if they honored also honerd Hashem ect..“The role of a Rebbe is that by strengthening your connection to him you strengthen your connecting to Hashem.”
The Ramabams Hilchos Ovodas Cochavim says very similar to how you’ve been explaining that.
“וזו היתה טעותם אמרו הואיל והאלהים ברא כוכבים אלו וגלגלים להנהיג את העולם ונתנם במרום וחלק להם כבוד והם שמשים המשמשים לפניו ראויין הם לשבחם ולפארם ולחלוק להם כבוד וזהו רצון האל ברוך הוא לגדל ולכבד מי שגדלו וכבדו כמו שהמלך רוצה לכבד העומדים …לפניו וזהו כבודו של ”
“If it really was a problem and distracted from Hashem, then MY generation would have mostly forgotten Hashem cvs or Chabad would have broken down and joined other groups”
The meshichist are unfortunately already viewed as another group. I have witnessed Meshichists thrown out of three seperate Chabad shuls for chanting “yechi” (I frequent chabad shuls and events as my relatives are Chabad, one Baltimore, Philadelphia, & one Chabad Shtieble in Montreal). I have seen many Chasidic Litvish “mixed marraiges”, myself included. I doubt anyone has witnessed that with meshichists, unless one partner became a meshichist before they were even redt the shidduch. Meshichists are their own group already.
I’m not saying they dont give tzedakah to all Jews, or are bad neighbors. Meshichists are not necessarily Kofrim, but they are not viewed in Orthodox Judaisim as just “eilu v’eilu”. In general all other Chassidim are, Chabad included. Meshichists views are just not viewed as part of the same group as the rest.“The fact this is halacha shows us that we should be looking out to identify such a person and that it is normal and a good thing to do so, This has in fact been the case throughout history where various students claimed their teachers were worthy of being Moshiach.”
How so? There are many halachic principals that exist that we do not look to fulfill as they don’t seem to apply, although they might apply.
In fact there were major machlokesim regarding wether we can bring certain karbanos when we started resettling Israel. There are valid halachic reasons to bring some karbanos nowadays (even though they might never have planned on doing it). Should we be looking to bring karbanos? It is halacha, does it show us that we should be looking to deem a karbon fit, because the halachic argument exists, even though it’s a stretch?
CS, you said the fact this is halacha (that halacha explains who can be moshiach) tells us to look for someone who fits the halachic requirements. Do you see that in other areas of halacha (I think I provided a counter, explain why I didn’t if you like)? If not, how do you think “looking” is a valid idea in this area of halacha?“And in other places he says Kaviyachol. This is not meant to be taken literally, and is kefira if it is. We do not have GOD in us, we have GODLINESS. Big difference – and is the difference between yiddishkeit and kefira. A mistake in this is a mistake in yichud Hashem!!!!”
Are saying that what what the Bal hatanya says in Tanya that נפש בשנית בישראל היא חלק אלקה ממעל משש is kefirah and making a mistake in yechud Hashem?
Just need some clarification.
Chossid, that is an old machlokes. Many hold the Alter rebbe says outright kefira. People try and say its not literal but unlikely, he says mamash. You guys may just but heads here for nothing.“Without defending the practice, the Heteirim to do a Goral HaGra don’t apply to fortune cookies”
Do you really think you or chabadshlucha are performing a goral hagra? Do you think you’re utilizing its principals? You guys really understand how it works so you can do similar things? Do you know when we do a goral hagra? and why only in those cases?
NOTHING TO DO WITH A GORAL HAGRA“Really not. If you’re sincere your not looking to do what you would prefer. You look to do what the right thing is. And it’s not always easy. I went to a different seminary than I the one I dreamed of for years because the letter was so clear that that was the right thing to do. It was one of the most difficult things for me to do, but looking back, it brought me many brachos and I’m so glad I did it.”
I completely understand that, and believe a large number of chassidus experience that as well. It doesn’t mean you received any information directed at you from the rebbe. It is what you imagine he is saying to you. With sincere respect to you and the rebbe, it’s not different than getting a fortune cookie during a difficult time, when you meed some advice, and thinking “Hashem put this very cookie, in my hand, at this moment! I could have taken any other one, or eaten somewhere else! After all, Hashem does run every aspect of my life, this must be a message!”Syag lchachma, agreed, although I’m sure there are live rebbe that refer chabadshlucha to the rebbe igros.
The whole thing is a really strange Rorschach where they end up doing what they would have in the first place.Chossid:
“This igros thing that you expect answers from the Rebbe is garbage. The Rebbe said on the friediker Rebbe that HE will find away to answer, not that YOU find him away
to answer,”Listen chossid unlike you who are still in the walls of Yeshiva, im in the Olam hazeh hagashmi, where I need to make life altering decisions many times and really do need urgent anders on a regular basis. Maybe it is a bit of a chutzpa of me, but I do try to make it a two way Street and devote myself fully to the Rebbe’s shlichus and be the Rebbe’s chossid as much as I can. So if it works, then the Rebbe is going along with it and I couldn’t be happier.
It’s ironic, that because you live in “Olam hazeh hagashmi”, you make an extra effort to communicate with the rebbe. you don’t see the irony?
“Listen chossid unlike you who are still in the walls of Yeshiva, im in the Olam hazeh hagashmi, where I need to make life altering decisions many times…”
IronicChabadshlucha, what you are quoting doeant actually contain an actual halacha. He is saying how important it is to follow chachmei yisroel/rabbanim, before getting into the halachos. All that can be taken from that is the severity of violating am undefined halacha. There is actually no contradiction at all between your post and YR
“And that’s aside from the fact that it’s halacha that you’re not allowed to doubt your Rebbe, and if you do youre doubting Hashem. Hilchos TT 5:5. ”
“Ahh, but אחר used to be עלישה בן אבוי׳ who we quote in פרקי אבות and went off the derech because he couldn’t keep the level he was on (פרגוד) and he taught ר מאיר before he went off”
Yes so what? Once he became a kofer and was acknowledged as such by everyone including himself, he was no longer a Rebbe, thus the halacha didn’t apply.”
It seems to chabadshluch You simply can’t go against a rebbe, unless the halacha doesn’t apply, eg. You’re a kofer thus not a rebbe. I hope I misunderstood her point
“Ahh, but אחר used to be עלישה בן אבוי׳ who we quote in פרקי אבות and went off the derech because he couldn’t keep the level he was on (פרגוד) and he taught ר מאיר before he went off”
Yes so what? Once he became a kofer and was acknowledged as such by everyone including himself, he was no longer a Rebbe, thus the halacha didn’t apply.”
What about the hundreds (probably thousands) of examples in shas and poskim where rabbanim do not hold like their predecessors and their own rabbanim, including the Rambam MANY times? Do you honestly think your understanding of the Rambam is even close to correct? You literally cannot hold different than your rebbe? I can read the Rambam too, but to apply such a superficial reading to this discussion, especially when the plain reading is already clearly not how our mesorah works (where there are differences in psak from rebbe to talmud), is pretty shocking.“[1]. Try getting a really Yeshivish person to say the words “The Chazon Ish said X. That was just wrong of him, and we’re suffering from his mistake to this day. We should have done Y. He’s human, he erred”. They’ll squirm, and will feel blasphemous uttering such a sentence. Just as we’d feel saying such a thing about the Rebbe.”
Totally false.
I think this is one of the key differences, and is not true. The yeshivish/Litvish community would not squirm in the same way. Half my family is chabad (a few shluchim,a sister and brother in law meshichist), the other half yeshivish. A Gadol is NOT AT ALL a “litvisher Rebbe”. The Litvish community is good at saying “This part of what Gadol X said is wrong” and just cuts it out, ignores it. It’s very commonHow does the previous rebbe explain the “sundial story”? What is it? I found a different versions
“G-d’s actual image. Does that mean that G-d has athlete’s foot, as man does?”
Leibidik yankel, medium thinker
The very first point Rambam makes in moreh nevuchim (chalek 1 perek 1), is that saying Hashem doesn’t have a guf (like you’re saying), but some spiritual idea of form (as I understand you’re saying in 2nd reading, zelem dmus), is kefirah. He then includes that position as saying Hashem has a form (uses words zelem and dmus).
That being said, I can’t believe Rashi held guf mamash or anything close to that. It sounds insane.It’s time, I’m questioning whether our communities are “str9nger” or “more durable”. I believe that was clear
It’s time for the truth, drug abuse, mental health problems, and suicide were pushed under the rug as well. So yes co.munities grew in numbers, but how would you say stronger or more durable when the methodology of growing strong communities is pushing things under the rug?
The Fox News audience/target market is a more right wing and patriotic, pro assimilation crowd. Fox isn’t presenting a cultural study to open minded readers. They are highlighting another group of immigrants that soak up resources and dont want to join American society. And please don’t ignore the huge sums of money that go into market research, they know who is reading and what the reactions of their readers are. MSNBC readers may not view this (ongoing) series of articles problematic, but Fox readers don’t like “freeloaders”, and Fox is intentionally lighting a fire.
I know little about this subject. Is there a way to determine it was succesful/accurate? If not, how is it anything more than a mechanical process that anyone can perform?