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@AAQ
I’m not sure why you think that one needs to ask the reasoning behind every single halachic question ever to crop up in his life to his rabbi. I know my rabonim hold not to join the Army and when I’m learning rambam and I get to that sugya maybe I’ll ask then but at the moment I’m learning other topics lehalacha. The torah is very big and there’s plenty of other things to learn.
I hope you get the point I’m trying to make.Btw AAQ is someone that i can Respect, even though I don’t agree with many of his opinions he knows how to disagree logically without insulting left right and Center
This yitzchokhepper guy is cracking me up
Lol
Some AI bot misquoting people and sources is not really worth responding to
Also I’m wondering which planet he lives on that has 600,000 protesters regularly.Its actually hilarious@nevuah
I’m just very curious what your hashkafos are because you very clearly don’t hold of the authority of the mishnayos gemara etc but you seem to believe in gd. Do you believe in the God of the jews? Do you believe that He wrote the torah? Does He have authority to tell us what to do? Or maybe you’re referring to the ‘god’ or gods of the ge tiles?My guess is that you’re like the tzedokim and karaites and you only believe in torah shebicsav not torah shbaal peh (which is apikorsus)
I would love to here some thing solid not just a bunch of ranting.
Looking forward
Btw nevuah it happens to be that i answered your question, you just have too much anger to notice
Oops, i set him off again 🤣🤣🤣
@aaq
I’m not sure why you’re bringing down the AI thing again I gave plenty of reasons why AI can’t argue very well for any side. Besides the fact that you also brought before a whole speech from AI countering the original claims. Also I explained possibilities of why we can’t use the rambam in our case so that whole chat doesn’t start in the first place
ZSK: Nice rhetoric. Now actually provide a counter argument to the my arguments.
what I meant was that at the moment you can’t call it direct pikuach nefesh and quote the rambam about Jewish communities under attack in order to be able to to go fight in Gaza, meaning that it won’t necessarily fit the torah criteria to apply those halachos.and I don’t know but perhaps daas Torah would not have considered October 7th a reason to invade Gaza, you could just build higher walls and better defenses. I’m not saying that’s what daas Torah would say I’m just saying such a possibility. And it’s definitely not like the Yom Kippur War and other previous Wars where they were invading armies threatening to wipe out the entire Jewish population. I believe that at that time many charedim did fight or help the war effort in variuos ways. I hope that clarifies what I meant.
Btw it’s possible to argue with someone while staying respectful and without being nasty and name calling.
Aaq
a large percentage of whats in the internet is not true.I think op gave us plenty of reasons not to counter demonstrate. Also if i would counter demonstrate it would look like I am against what they hold but I do hold that they shouldn’t be arresting and prosecuting bnei torah which is what they hold as well just their method is not the same as my method.
Besides, if i would protest or cou ter protest i would have a long list of other things to protest first like leftist demonstrations and toeva parades. But i don’t get involved in other peoples lives much…Noone said that everything the gedolim say will always be 100% right but that doesn’t change the fact that we need to listen to what they say.
@ASEH meat
This is no shaychus to stam issues.
Eg if someone believes that the rebbe is gd in any way then that’s shituf r”l and even if they keep all other mitzvot you can’t count them as a Jew.
I don’t get why believing he is Messiah is any different to believing in yoshke so those chabadniks might as well be jews for j.
Not very jewish either.
And I don’t know how you would know nor have the guts to claim that he has the neshama of moshe rabeinu.
@sechel83 wheres the sechel in that?!
Im curious thogh of the real percentages of chabadtzkers that would answer yes to any of those questionsTo all theamei haaretz and apikorsim
AAQ statement is based off a mishna in kidushin, i beleive the 3rd perek. Before you wonder about these things learn the sugyah with all the rishonim then ask questions.Btw if nevuah is such a blatant apikorus (against gedolim, mishnayos, gemara rishonim etc) then why is he allowed on ywn which supposedly is for the “yeshiva world” aka ultra orthodox
By the way what a religiousheimisher says about listening to gedolim is the final bottom line answer. You can come with rambams Etc and all sorts of questions go ask the gedolim they also know that rambam. And I know that nevuah doesn’t really hold of listening to gedolim and he’s going to send the whole derasha about how unhealthy it is to follow like a sheep sheeple blah blah Etc but at the end of the day the torah says multiple times to listen to the Torah leaders of your times so if you are a shomer torah umitzvos then you will listen to the gedolim and it’s only if you are an apikorus that you wont.
Very simple and straightforward.@AAQ
First off if you’ve got something to say don’t use AI because AI says a load of rubbish, adds information that isn’t true and brings in information that has no relevance to the topic at hand. It happens to be that what you brought to the defense of the mainstream was pretty accurate.
Re the protests I’m sure you know that the protesters do have rabonim backing them just not the mainstream rabonim AKA Peleg yerushalmi. And it’s common knowledge that after every protest there will always be those seeking a thrill in life who take things further than the protest organizers intended like burning bins etc. in general the mainstream charedi leaders aren’t out to tell everyone else what to do we leave that to the Chilonim but the gedolim have spoken out against protests saying that it’s not our mehalech.
Does that clarify some things for youAgav it sounds like ai wrote his message
This guy is hilarious. First he says that bochurim should leave the bais medrash to join the army then he gives a whole drasha about kochi votzem yodi and bitul torah to protest.
Lol
AAQ, you wanted a response so this is for you. (Btw i think noone can be stuffed arguing with someone who got things so wrong, they know he’s wrong and that’s that)
First of all protesting is only by a minority of the charedi world and most gedolim don’t hold of it. (Imagine tens of thousands of protesters as opposed to a few hundred max) so there’s not that much to talk about there.Re mishna and rambam, obviously theyre speaking about a frum army of shomrei torah umitzvos. Noone is under attack at the moment, its not the yom kipur war.the decisions made in the army which risks and r”l takes lives are not made with daas torah but rather by some atheists mechallei shabbos, so to risk ones life in the army is not so poshut.
Its public knoledge that there’s many issues in the charedi army tracks. (Many articles on this website make that clear). And the army has a shita of including women in everything so they can’t really simultaneously hold of charedi tracks.
@AAQ
1) I don’t know which community you belong to but a) googling popularity isn’t necessarily accurate. b) in the yeshivish chareidi world, we all learn R Elchonons seforim, they’re actually very popular (kovetz shiurim, kovetz heorois, kovetz maamorim) so I’m not sure what you’re talking about
2) you probably know exactly what I meant by yeshiva world, everyone here understands that both what I meant and who this website is ‘officially’ catering for is the chareidi yeshivish English speaking (mostly american) population. I didn’t think that needed spelling out but I guess ‘rochel bitcha haktana’ for you…
3)I definitely agree that the way some people express their views on this forum is not respectful, to say the least.@square root
1st of all, the chareidim don’t want to join the army not just cause of bitul Torah but other reasons as well some of which have been mentioned above.
2nd of all, there’s an obvious difference between the meraglim and the chareidim (even according to that article you brought, which may not be emes anyway-definitelythe part about the golus being over is shtuyot, moshiach didn’t come yet, even if preparationsfor the geulah may have started)
The meraglim spoke l”H on Ey, and convinced klall yisroel not to want to go in, against the ratzon hashem, the chareidim follow their gedolim like it says in the torah which is the ratzon hashem. So obviously that’s a ridiculous comparison….@zsk
Why are you only picking on hakatan? Square root said that the entire chareidi world is like the meraglim. That’s also “slandering an entire community of Orthodox Jews.”@sqaureroot & @israeliyid
I don’t get what your doing on this forum.
This forum was made for the yeshiva world as you may be able to guess by the name….
The yehuda world follows their gedolim and you won’t convince anyone otherwise on this forum even if you say things to the point (which you usually dont)
There are plenty of news sights NOT chareidi, go enjoy them. What’s the point of posting these comments (which you do quite often)? Is it cause youre bored? You enjoy machlokes? I would love an explanation.if you need any sources for what im saying pls lmk
I am shocked at what your suggesting that the frum world follows “the modern day interpretation of the Rabbanim” rather than the literal torah.
if by literal torah you mean only torah shebichsav your an apikores like the tzedokim (rambam 13 ikrim). If you mean something else I’m not sure what that is, but we obv arent mekayeim mechiyas amalek for more than one VALID reason (as apposed to “avoiding by claiming”).
1 we’re in golus and it not possible to be mekayme that mitzva realistically
2 what you yourself say, that we dont know who amalek is, but if you learnt any gemara it would be poshut to you that thats not an excuse its an actual reason a) the gemara says that ashur mixed all the nations so theres always on every goy a roiv that he’s not amalek (same reason that we can accept geirim even tho theres certain nation which cant marry into klall yisroel)
b) even w/o that, mehaiche taisi that your mechuyav to raise money to do genetic testing to figure out whos amalek (if its even possible)