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“& so are BMG boys another more serious mentality group of boys”
lol – I just had a father of a lakewood guy call me up asking if I thought a CC family would be ok if their daughter went out with his son. He said he knows CC guys are very serious and his son is a BMG guy who isn’t.
Just thought it was funny
Personally, I walked down to The Shalom song from Marvelos Middos Machine
Clearly you never had a chance to truly appreciate Marvelous Middos Machine if you grew out of it more than a few years before you learned how to drive unless you learnt how to drive at like 90 years old (but then still).
I would suggest, committing to at least 1 week of MMM and then come back and reassess. It’s a whole different tape from when you were a kid.
It was there years ago in 2008. YWN launched a paid classifieds section, but it didn’t really take off much, especially with the financial situation at the time.
A short while later they made it partially temporarily free as a chesed, but it didn’t help. Eventually it has a quiet peaceful death and nobody noticed.
Sam2 – 100% incorrect – If giving something worth a shava pruta to a woman in front of two men while not at all intending to marry them at the time is kiddushin – then I better tell my daughter not to go shopping with a male cashier
jewishfeminist02 – I know – I got it – it was simply ironic – I thought it was cute – that’s all
While traditional proposals may be similar to kiddushin, they have no halachic ramifications regarding kiddushin. (For starters the ring has to be given with intent to be makdish the women.)
What actually has halachik ramifications is the actual verbal agreement to get married (or in this case checking the box). According to most poskim, that is a binding halachik agreement that must be kept unless BOTH sides agree to revoke it. (Similar if he would verbally agree to sell you something at a certain price, neither of you can back out if the other wants to go ahead with it.) This has MASSIVE ramifications when it comes to broken engagements where only one side wants to break it.
The irony is the legalism about whether or not you had jurisdiction over him and your username. Halchically it is him having jurisdiction over you not visa versa, it would sound more like you should have run the legalism.
dash and DaasYochid –
I stand corrected. I see on the page the following –
Sruly Meyer posted to Mostly Music
December 15, 2011
can whoever made this page message me?
I just checked Mostly Music’s Facebook page and didn’t see that.
If anything, it’s a smart business move for them as they will no longer need to spend business hours on it as well as take flack from the right for something that wasn’t generating anything.
The major problem with ISP filtering that people seem to brush over is that it only works while using your computer/internet device at home. As soon as you walk out of your home with your laptop/iPod/tablet etc etc and hookup to a different wireless network you are completely unfiltered. In addition, if you (or any one else in your house) can get the wireless from your neighbors who don’t have ISP filtering (or live in a city like Miami Beach that has free open wifi throughout the city), you can easily get unfiltered internet. In all the above situations if the filter was on your device you would still be filtered. Obviously there are many limitations from having a filter on your device as well (look at above comments).
Ultimately, people have to understand that “just installing a filter” is not only not so simple, it’s very often very easily bypassed one way or another. You might not know how to get around it, but trust me your nine year old does.
OOM –
For the issue of the chrome pop-up, it only shows up when you aren’t using Chrome. Even if you have chrome installed it will show up if you aren’t using it. If you want you can try to set your home page to http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=com which some people have said doesn’t display it for them. (I wasn’t able to replicate it but I almost exclusively use chrome so its not a big deal for me.)
For the Gmail “doesn’t fit on my screen nicely” problem – did you try adjusting the display density of Gmail?
To adjust this, just follow these steps:
Click the gear icon at the top right corner of your inbox. (Not the one in your navigation bar, the one right on top of the inbox.)
Choose from Comfortable (least dense), Cozy, and Compact (densest).
As for the nav bar – Google is in a big process of giving a make-over to all their sites. One of the advantages of the make-over will be that the sites will be consistent with one another. While in the process you will see some sites with the updated nav bar and some without. This shouldn’t be an issue when all is said and done.
As for the safe search – as you have found out, it’s because of your filter. It’s not an account setting, but rather a cookie setting that Jnet can enforce.
Hope this helps
Ben Levi –
In regards your kiddush vs. purim argument every state has different rules about the amount of alcohol a parent can give their child and in what setting. for example – in New York a person under 21 may consume alcohol in their own home, with their parents consent. They can also consume in a licensed restaurant, with a meal, if the parent actually pours the drink. (Mere ‘consent’ is not enough)
It is also illegal, in NY, for a minor to have a BAC above 0.02% at any time. So while it’s legal for a parent to serve their child wine with a meal, for example, they must restrict the amount to ensure they remain under the 0.02% limit.
Most states have very similiar rules in this regard. So it makes sense a person under 21 can make kiddush at home but not get drunk on Purim.
Mod 42 – I wouldn’t necessarily want my son with a bunch of drinking and smoking boys. It depends who my son is obviously and how old he is.
This thread is getting to be downright ridiculous.
I held my tounge but can’t any longer.
First off. I am a chofetz chaim guy. Brainwashed from birth. (But then again as they say – don’t you want to be brainwashed? It’s filthy. It should be washed.)
WhyNotMe – I don’t know who you are or what you are trying to do but it’s not to find out and do research about different Yeshivas. (Correction – I do know who you are, but that’s a different story.) Maybe it was an honest mistake but the YWN Coffeeroom, while I love it, isn’t exactly the place to get accurate information in regards to different Yeshivas. Proper research entails speaking to people, Rabbiem (from other Yeshivas also) about the Yeshivas they know and recommend. Not in a comparative way but have them discuss different options. Preferably find someone to talk to who knows you. Which Yeshiva to go to is based 100% on the guy that’s going there. There is no one Yeshiva that’s for everybody.
Take a look in your own family. (I did the answers for you in parentheses) Do you have older brothers? (yes) Are they different? (yes) Did they go to different places after high school? (yes) Even if they graduated from the same place in the same year? (yes)
Point being that everyone is different. Coming as a no name person with no information other then “I’m in a CC branch” is not exactly enough criteria to recomend a Yeshiva that fits your needs.(I should really just come over to you in person, but I’m in a different state.)
I am constantly pushing people to go out of Chofetz Chaim to other Yeshivas that are better for them. And btw – your principal does the same thing. (Ask him. He’s your Pal.)
With regard to Rabbi Cohen. All I can say is lol. You should hear more of his vaadim and you will begin to appreciate his style more. He is very radical and purposely takes things out of proportion. Ask any of the Bais Medrash guys in your branch. After Rabbi Cohen left the Rosh HaYeshiva gave a vaad specifically to “counteract and explain” rabbi Cohen. And everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Don’t get all hung up on his words.
As for the comments above by the other unnamed people above – I’ve heard some smart things and some really dumb things.
(in nor particular order)
mraven and jothar – while mraven didn’t specifically compare lakewood to michalel shabbos, it was implied. mraven – don’t say things like that when they WILL get misconstrued and Jothar – you know what he meant.
yehudaj – thanks for that last paragraph – I was getting sick.
volvie – your points A B C D E and F are exactly the same – in a few words – they waist their time overemphasizing things they believe in. – That’s a haskafik difference between CC and the “Yeshiva Velt”. It’s not ain l’davor sof – there is a line – it;s just further then yours. As for point E specifically, I’m not sure how it’s possible to over emphasize Harbatzas Torah. Maybe I’ missing something but isn’t talmud torah k’neged kulam? Isn’t that what a person should do? And don’t say they push guys who should be in harbatas torah to be in harbatzas torah. Walk into any branch into any shmuz or discussion on this topic and the line you will always hear is “being a Rebbe is not for everyone”. There are other ways of doing what ever you can in harbatzas torah even if you are a regular working guy. I’m not a Rebbe. I have a regular job. Except I channel it for harbatzas torah. (WhyNotMe – we can discuss that point in person if you’d like.)
As for the white shirt thing, I’m not sure which CC Rebbe you are misquoting but I’ve never heard that and I was born knee deep in CC. They didn’t make the guys dress spiffy. That’s how people dressed. And look at any pictures from any Yeshiva in Europe you will see colored shirts and suits. It’s not just Slabodka. It’s funny how you sticked in the Gadlus Hadom thing because you made a complete cholent out of it. (If anything because of Gadlus Hadom you should wear a white shirt.) Wearing a white shirt is more choshuv. The more important a person gets the more likely it is he we wear a white shirt. It’s more dressy. That’s why even blue shirters wear a white shirt on Shabbos. CC is specifically against that as it gets a person to feel more choshuv then he really is. A regular Yeshiva guy constantly needs to work on getting better. Wearing a white shirt when u aren’t on that madreiga can potentially be harmful to certain people if they aren’t careful. Therefore the Yeshiva discourages wearing white shirts. First reach that madreiga then put the white shirt. (As for chitzonious meorer as hapnimius – that’s beyond the scope of the coffeeroom – ask your local CC Rabbi.) Being the fact that CC emphasizes gadlus hadom, they stress you should dress nicely. Of course if you are not limitted t white shirts you can dress more “spiffy”.
I’m done for now as I can’t type anymore – I hope I helped explain a bit.
And WhyNoTMe – let me know if you want to talk. I don’t push CC. 😉 (And I’ve known you for a while.)
AZ – you’re gonna have the opposite problem. Girls wouldn’t put their names in but boys would.
Boys take more risks than girls.
Just Smile,
You are incorrect. IIRC, the gemarah talks about a punishment for someone walking without his sword, or something like that.
I don’t know what Gemorah you are referring to, but it doesn’t surprise me. Everything has it’s place and time. The Gemorah was probably talking about a dangerous time or neighborhood. It’s very possible the gemorah was referring to anywhere because of the rabid antisemitism there was then. I haven’t heard any Poskim say that one must carry a gun so to not go against the Gemorah.
Bitachon does not mean we can all take a happy pill and hope that nothing bad happens.
The balance between Bitachon and Hishtadlus is very fine. I never once said (and you know it) that you should “take a happy pill”. There is a far distance between owning a gun and “hope(ing) that nothing bad happens”. Hishtadlus is doing the things that one needs to do and not just saying I have Bitachon. In my opinion, one doesn’t NEED to buy a gun to protect himself in a “safe” neighborhood. yswo’s neighborhood my not be considered “safe”, I have no idea.
and it is the dictators who feel it is irresponsible for ANYONE to own a gun
Agreed – I’m a big believer that everyone has a RIGHT to own a gun. I don’t believe everybody SHOULD own a gun or feel a need to do so.
i just am eager for someone to answer my original question
my main question is if anyone here owned a gun and if so if originally their spouse was opposed to it
That wasn’t your MAIN question – you stuck that in as an also and it isn’t even in the title of this thread as you said
also i want to know if anyone had a spouse who was reluctant to get a gun but in the end they were able to be convinced?
EDITED
I don’t mean to imply (or say) that YOU have a lack of Bitachon by wanting to own a gun. I do feel, however, that owning a gun in a safe neighborhood (yours might not be) is displaying a lacking (however small it may be) in Bitachon in Hashem. Owning a gun is very dangerous and has a lot of risks and personally I feel that if a person feels that they need that to be protected by owning a gun is displaying a lack of bitachon in Hashem. Only the big gun lobbyists believe that it’s irresponsible for ANY American not to own a gun.
But as I said – that’s just MY opinion.
IMHO, owning a gun is a lack of Bitachon unless you live in a specifically dangerous neighborhood. There is no reason that the average american should need to own a gun to protect himself. Besides for the fact that it has the potential to cause a lot of problems with kids. Additionally, the last thing you want is that you pull the gun and the guy panics and shoots you. Also what happens if he gets hold of your gun? You armed your attacker. I don’t think it falls under proper hishtadlus to put yourself at risk for security reasons in this case.
(Just to set the record straight, I do believe that Americans have the right to own guns if they want, and am against anti-gun laws[to an extent obviously] but that is a different discussion all together.)
But that’s just my opinion, people may argue.
This White House administration is a disgrace to the White House. They are acting like a bunch of immature babies. I don’t think any Republican administration went on a all out war against the liberal biased media of CNN and the likes. This isn’t Chicago politics anymore where we just bad mouth people and start to cry when people are arguing with you.
My five words to Obama and the rest of his immature baby administration –
Grow up or shut up.
In regards to Oreos –
A friend of mine called the OU and I called someone in the CRC (Chicago) and they both said that Oreos Should be treated as Parve but Dairy Equipment. The OU for years now doesn’t use the DE label and marks anything DE as D for a number of practical reasons. Oreoes have no dairy whatsoever but some plants use Dairy Equiptment.
I also called Nabisco and asked them about Oreos in regards to a dairy allergy and the lady told me that they are absolutely fine. She said that I should check by the ingredients where it has allergy information, it would say dairy under allergy information if there was any allergy concerns. She said however, I should check every bag I buy, because if a certain plant needs to use dairy – they would put it on the label. I asked about airborne particles and she said there is nothing to worry about. She said that ANY Nabisco product that has any amounts of dairy will always say dairy by allergy information. So the I said but why does it have a D by the Kosher symbol? So she said that it’s because some places use equipment that also processes dairy and some religious groups don’t eat food if it was processed on the same equipment as dairy stuff.
Additionally I know two people who have extremely severe dairy allergies and break out by even the slightest amounts of dairy – well beyond botul b’shishim, and they both eat Oreos with no problems.
AZ –
- “I’ll go on record as saying that redding shidduchim to sem girls (age 18-19) who will be coming home in the next couple of weeks, is a terrible avla and will undoubtedly perpetuate and exacerbate the crisis.”
STOP THE SHIDDUCH CRISIS AND DON’T GET MARRIED. AZ – you crack me up!
(Sorry mods.)
chofetzchaim –
that specific song I haven’t heard in a few years
I still listen to them every now and then
BTW – the shalom song is great for mussaf kedusha
postsemgirl – Memories – this is a rough sketch – definitely not accurate
Ahh Fooey, phone ring – first time ten year – I wonder who could be.
Hello?
Hello, This is your sons principal,
Ah Had master call, tell how little wong do in school. How he doing?
Well he’s fighting with all his teacher.
Ahhh, Maaaatial Aaats, make old wong proud.
Is this the katz residence?
No this wong residence, sorry, wong number
BasYisroel2 – while you may be right, what you are describing wasn’t exactly that case
he already finished dating the first girl and called it off – although he didn’t speak to the shadchan yet – and he got a call about a different girl for that night
From my understanding of it – he didn’t really want to go out the second time – he was doing it to give her another chance.
After the second date he was positive it wasn’t going anywhere.
tzippi –
so this boy should have said no?
I thought it was a bit weird, but after thinking for a bit – I couldn’t put my finger on anything wrong with it.
He had already turned the page on the last one – and was now offered this one.
Is the problem that it was the same day? Should he have waited a day or two before?
Nobody – How is that plain dating – it was still with a Shadchan – the people didn’t know each other
chaverim – great question
I spoke to him. What happened was he traveled to his home town to go out with a girl twice over the weekend. Date 1 didn’t go anywhere but he said he would give it another shot since he was in town until Sunday night anyways. He went out again on Sunday. His mother was a t a simcha on Sunday afternoon and met someone who asked when is the next time he would be in town because she had a girl she wanted to redt. She had already spoken to the girl about it and the families knew of each other and the girl had already said yes. The boys mother said he’s actually in town on a date but I don’t think it’s going anywhere so if he says no I could ask him to change his flight to Monday. And that’s exactly what happened.
I know someone who went out with two different girls this past Sunday.
After the first date (morning date), he was redt another one said yes and went out that night.
Is there anything wrong with that?
I happen to have a pretty good memory of lyrics, but I did cheat and lusten to the song to remember some of them, I haven’t heard the song in YEARS!
Any other requests?
(But, yes, I was obsessed with the MMM)
goody613 –
As promised
I met my good friend Mr. Katz yesterday,
He looked all upset, so I started to say
Things can’t be so bad, why are you so sad,
You better tell me right away
I’d be just as happy as I was before,
If only I listened and trusted you more
I ignored your advice, now I’m, paying the price
I went with all of my kids TO A STORE!
You went to a store with your girls and your boys?
And it was a big store, a store filled with toys,
But I warned you not, I know I forgot,
Oy it was a day that I did not enjoy
I know just what happened don’t tell me a thing
I know cause I took my kids the last spring
When they got to the store and walked through the door
All of your kinderlach started to SING
We want Lego and Construx
And a hockey set deluxe
We want baseballs we want bats
We want helmets we want hats
Like I said to you before, never take kids to a store,
All your gonna hear is, we want more and more
Tatty there’s a pretty doll with shiny golden hair,
I’m sorry little shayfela am I a Millionaire?
You already have that train, I know it works just fine,
But look it’s such a bargain only $19.99
We want cars and trucks you see,
And of course Monopoly,
See this camera it’s so nice
Look it’s made by Fisher Price
Like I said to you before, never take kids to a store,
All your gonna hear is, we want more and more
Why do you need that Care Bear There’s one at home I think,
But Tatty that one’s Yellow and this one is Pink
Do you see this storybook it’s something that I need,
I’d love to buy it Shmully, BUT YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO READ!
We want robots that can talk
And animals that walk
We want checkers we want chess,
WE WON’T EVER LEAVE A MESS
Like I said to you before, never take kids to a store,
All your gonna hear is, we want more and more
They were crying, they were shouting, why i’ll bet one even screamed
And you wisped, please be quiet, you don’t want to make a scene
So you bought them all you wanted, more then you can afford,
And an hour after you got home, they said…. TATTY WE ARE BORED
But kids who have good middos, are simply not that way
They learn how to appreciate whatever comes their way
And you can even disregard all that I’ve said before
And let them come along with you
When – you – go – to – a – store.
Of course it counts.
Anyways, moving along.
How about Marvelous Middos Machine?
Name a song and I’ll pop out the lyrics. I grew up on MMM.
Uhhhh, don’t you have to put in the plug?