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We had company who brought challos from a bakery called “zeidys” in fairlawn, nj. Delicious. The chocolate chip challash was really good too, despite my initial reaction of “chocolate chip, what?!?!?”
“What Should we do About so Many Collecters?”
Daven for them. Whatever the reason is they are asking you for money. Either they legitimately need it, or figure its easier to con a few dollars from a person. Daven that hashem should give them what they need, and if you have something you can give be it monetary or an encouraging smile or word, give that too.
The charlatans are pretty easy to figure out. Like the guy who once rang my bell demanding that I give no less than $180, or the guy who waltzed into the living room and plopped himself down on the sofa when only my wife was home, wouldnt take ten dollars and only when my wife called 2 neighbors and threatened to also call shomrim and the police, did he get up to leave, not before he offered some choice parting words.
Regarding your 1st point. You or your Rebbe is (i am guessing) a talmid of r” tuvia goldstein. Neither i, or my rav are. That you are sticking up for his shitta is great. On the other hand, R’ Dovid, was just as close to his father as R’ Tuvia, and discussed his shittos with him as well. If you are saying that it is a machlokes between the 2 what r’ moshes opinion would be today, fine.
Regarding the 2nd matter. You dont see anything wrong with unsigned mass mailing that makes claims about hilchos eruvin and what rabbonim who are no longer alive would say? The mailings for and against the eruv were so stupid (i really cant come up with a better word that is appropriate) that i wanted to throw it all in the garbage.
Never heard of the guy, or the particular song mentioned.
“I believe that when the inyan is eruvin many people believe that one has to follow the opinion of those whom they crowned as a gadol and not just an ordinary rav. This is why the rabbanim who support the eruv needed a campaign to educate the public that there are many reasons to allow an eruv (even for their own constituents).”
Regarding this issue. Who had to be educated? Those who followed the minhagim of Yeshiva “X” certainly knew the psak of that yeshiva, same for those who followed Rav “X” as well as those who followed “Rebbe” X.
If it was targeted at the thugs who kept pulling down the eruv, then mass mailings to entire neighborhoods, in the hopes that some of the thugs would get the mail, was a poor strategy.
“Please stop vacillating between the two distinct arguments, that Rav Moshe would still oppose an eruv”
I’m not. I keep making one point and other points keep getting brought up. Regarding THIS SPECIFIC POINT. Nobody knows what Rav Moshe would say today, because he is not around to ask. Unfortunately for us, he is dead. My argument as to who would be the most authorative person to tell us what he would say today is his closest talmidim, and in this case, that talmid happens to be his son, R’ Dovid. therefore, I am arguing that if anyone has a “right” to claim what R” Moshe would say today, it is R” Dovid.
Are you R’ Tuvia Goldstiens mouthpiece any more than i am R’ Dovids?
I didnt think so.
If R’ Dovid says no, for me its no, if that is how my own Rav would pasken, if i would ask him a shaayla. If my rav would say yes, despite a no from R’ Dovid, then that is how i would do. I respect my rav erudition and follow his psak. I respect his time and his dignity by not second guessing every psak with questions about others who may have issued different rulings.
If R’ Tuvias talmidim want to carry on shabbos within this eruv, so be it. If R’ Dovids dont, so be it.
I find it rather offensive, and affront to kavod hatorah (the torah, not an individual), that either side has to send mailings specifically knocking the other side.
Who was it who said that a machlokes between gedolim is one thing, but when the hamon am gets involved it goes from lishaym shamayim, to chillul hashem?
Is there a halacha in hilchos tzedak that says, give all you can to the 1st person who asks and then have nothing for the next person.
My personal practice is to give 3 or 4 dollars to whoever comes to the door knowing that a number of people will come. If it is not good enough for the person, i tell the collector, this is what i have, if you dont want it, i’ll give it to someone else.
Another crucial shidduch question. “Does he shower more often than he says yaaleh viyavo?”
I think the entire chinuch system needs an overhaul.
How many “best boys” and “next rosh yeshiva” are there in every yeshiva? Whatever the number, it is a small percentage. How many fine ehrliche boys that would make wonderful husbands are there in yeshiva? Certainly not all, but a high percentage.
How many “best girls” and “the next rosh yeshivas wife” are there in every seminary? How many wonderful fine upstanding girls are there in every seminary?
If everyone would be taught that its ok if your not the next “best guy” and “rosh yeshiva” and its ok if you dont marry the “best guy” and “next rosh yeshiva” and its ok if your wife was not the “best in the seminary” things would be so much better.
Since everyone is expected to be the best guy/next rosh yeshiva and is expected to marry the best girl/next great rebbetzin and the girls only want the best guy/next rosh yeshiva , nobody looks for an ehrlicher boy or fine girl.
Sure, everyone should strive to be the best, but its ok if they are not the “best boy in the yeshiva” but they should be “the best boy that they can possibly be in the yeshiva”. Same with the girls.
I am not debating hilchos eruvin with you. I am not denying your right to carry to to your hearys content on shabbos. I am not denying your right to disagree with R’ Dovid Feinstein. I take issue with the fact that you imply that R’ David is basicly playing politics and is not interested in facts.
I’m not sure if he is being purposely ambiguous or not. I did not ask him, and quite frankly it doesnt matter to me one way or another.
I do believe that the following is certainly true “in order not to involve himself in the arguments”. He has his opinion, follows it, shares it with those who ask and is not concerned that there are those who disagree with him, for any reason.
As a general rule of thumb, I am automatically suspect of anyone who paskens a halacha, whether it is hilchos eruvin, shabbos, kashrus or in any other area and then feels the need to publish a kuntres and mail it to the neighborhood with justification for the psak. When I received the mailings both for and against the eruv last winter I put everything in shaimos (I suspect I could have put it in the trash to) and then signed up for all sorts of mass mailings to be sent to the return addresses on both mailings. You send me spam, I will arrange to have it sent back to you.
I’m not sure what “Flatbush and its environs” is supposed to mean. But I did post a link to the US Census Beureau that states the estimated population of Kings County, NY (aka Brooklyn, NY) for 2005 was greater than 2.5 million people. Again, the implications of this number, or the area it represents is beyond me, and I do not wish to discuss its relevance. I am commenting specifically on the population of Brooklyn NY according to the US Census Bureau.
See the census numbers here http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36/36047.html
“No. Rav Dovid shlita wants to keep the status quo no matter what the facts are.”
The way I understand this comment is as follows. Please correct me if this is not what you are saying.
Rav Davids psak is not based on any halacha, he is simply being stubborn and refuses to change the status quo, no matter what the facts are.
Prayer in sports.
Football has the pass named after the prayer that asks a female to make it hail. One college football team even has a getchka in the end zone named “touchdown yashka”.
Basketball players huddle at center court prior to tip off and again after the game for a “prayer circle”, although I suspect they are really discussing which bar to hit after they shower. But they do try and pass it off as prayer.
Baseball players make a sign reminiscent of the addition sign, across their chest, prior to stepping into the batetrs box.
Hockey, well even though it is an exciting sport and fun to watch, it isnt a major sport it seems, perhaps because their players dont pray out on the ice. Perhaps I should alert the comissioner and we will start to see prayer beads hanging from the nets.
You appear to be saying that regarding this psak, R’ Dovid is not basing his psak on facts. What are the possibilities.
. Either he is being fed erroneous (by mistake) or false (on purpose) information that contradicts your “facts”.
. He has no other information available to him, but your facts, and he chooses to ignore them for whatever reason.
The guy who wrote for The Doors is frum?
Black, White and Red all over?
That would be a yeshiva guy who has his name on the list of 15 shadchanim.
I suppose it’s better than ACDC.
As of this writing the Yankees are losing 3-0.
ICOT. Not to go off topic, but this long suffering Cubs fan who laments that game 5, at least twice a week, is also quick to remind me how Charles Smith still cant hit a 3 foor shot, even if you gave him 5 MORE attempts. That is one that us knick fans wont forget for 101 years (the eibishter should grant us arichas yamim) either.
ICOT. You left out one possibility.
. I have a cousin, a long suffering cubs fan who has repeated these things so many times, i wont be able to forget them, for at least as long as the cubs havent won the world series.
“Of course, if one followed his rav who does not allow carrying I would agree that is rational.”
Note: This is not directed at ANYONE specifically.
What is irrational are those who have no confidence in the psak of their Rav that they have to start debating it with those who disagree with the psak. Especially when they are not experts in the relevant halachos.
Fair enough. We’ll have a mikvah on premises.
With all these hiddurim, each shirt will cost about $450.
For those who are not long suffering Cubs fans or dont enjoy taunting them the references are to things that happened in the 7th of innning of game 5 of the 1984 playoffs between the Cubs and Padres. The winner of the series would have the honor of being the sacrificial lambs for the Detroit Tigers, baseballs best team, by far, that year.
Rick Sutcliff, arguably the best pitcher in the league that year opened the inning with a 3-0 lead. He promptly walked light hitting Carmelo Martinez on 4 pitches. The next batter (maybe 2 batters later?) hit a ground ball right at Leon Durham (this was actually GOOD luck for the cubs, since his range to the right and left was about 6 inches) and the ball went right through his legs. Later in the inning a ground ball bounced right over the head of NINE TIME gold glove second baseman Ryne Sandburg (cubs fans willt ell you it was a bad hop, I guess for the Cubs it was bad). the Padres went on to win the game and ended the hopes and dreams of Cubs fans everywhere.
ICOT: I’m sure 101 years of excellent middos have taught you not to say “How did that get through the legs of Leon Durham” or , “how did that ball bounce over the head of Ryne Sandburg a NINE TIME gold glove winner” or even “how did Rick Sutcliff walk Carmelo Martines on 4 pitches”?
ICOT: I didnt know steroids were around in the 1880s/1890s.
Dear Editor. I give up.
jphone’s original deleted post has been undeleted and can be found above:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/eruv-in-brooklyn/page/6#post-107081
Dear R’ Dovid
1: I am not an expert in hilchos Eruvin. I do not know what constitutes a halachic wall. Therefore I can not answer your question about Brooklyn and walls.
2: Whatever or wherever those halachic walls may be, R’ Dovid Feinstein does not believe they are valid, for whatever reason.
3: The populaton of Brooklyn, according to the US Census http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36/36047.html was 2,556,598 in 2008 (I wouldnt be so quick to say “nowhere near 3 million”). What relevance the number 3,000,000 has to hilchos Eruvin, again, I dont know, apparantly you do. R’ Dovid Feinstein is obviously not bothered by this number as you are.
4: Someone copied and pasted all sorts of info from another site (I think it is still online here) that specifically addressed the questions you asked me. The answers meant nothing to me because the questions do not either. again, I do not know hilchos Eruvin.
5: Personally, I dont care “what is said” about anything. I only care about what my Rav says right now.
6: I am not trying to intimidate, impress or humor you with sarcasm. You can take what I said however you want.
7: I am NOT DEBATING YOU. Not in hilchos eruvin, not regarding the veracity of the things found in any sefer, not regarding the things said in the name of Rav Dovid Feinstein Shlita, not in the name of R” Moshe Z’l, nothing. Now that I wrote this, I realize that I am debating you in ONE thing. Your questions have been asked, someone posted answers to them, you just dont find them to be SATISFACTORY to your liking and the friends you quoted. I am NOT debating the merits of any answers.
8: If you believe that those who dont use the Eruv today are irrational, so be it.
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You both shopped at the last Syms bash?
If you want to ask that question to a specific poster, then please rephrase it in a respectful manner
(Apparantly the moderators/censors didnt like what I wrote the 1st time around (you guys dont like sarcasm?). If at first you dont succeed, try and try again.)
Especially when it is directed against other posters.
I’m not sure if that is a mistake or not. Are you saying that the question you have are NEW (you write “not been around and never answered”), OR did you mean to write “have been around forever and have not been answered”?
“I have friends who have spoken to Rav Dovid shilta and he has not answered these arguments satisfactorily.”
They obviously satisfy R’ David.
This ties in with another CR thread.
If your wearing a jacket by davening “because thats what everyone does”, then you dont really care what color it is. If you are wearing a jacket because you want to show at least as much kavod tothe ribbono shel olam as you would say, a job interview, you would care how you looked and if you matched. You might even wear a tier for davening.
They must clinch before sunday or it will interfere with football 🙂
Mamashtakkah. I suppose it is for this simple reason, yeshiva bachurim have also adopted not to wear Khaki pants.
There is little room for error if you have closet filled with white shirts and black pants.
I wonder if white shirts and blue pants would pose a problem for the non zionists.
If the editors will allow this link…
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/shampoo.asp
I have no idea how to do this properly. If the editor doesnt want to allow thislink, perhaps they can somehow post the article as a response? The bottom of the link also contains links to other articles which the editor may, or may not want to allow.
Skunks and Penguins wear black and white. I have never heard anyone challenge their frumkeit. Perhaps the colors really do have a hashpaa on the wearer.
Yes. Cesspool. Perhaps the owner cleans septic tanks for a living? I didnt stop to ask him.
I also didnt stop to ask the driver of the car with a FNY MNY if he laundered money for a living.
“and the shirt should match the pants. (But I think that’s asking too much of men.)”
Maybe THIS is the reason for white shirts. You cant mismatch a white shirt with ANY color pants 🙂
CSSPLL
Jothar. I really dont understand. These nisyonos have been around since Adam and Chava. They were certainly around at Mattan Torah. Chazal had to do some “redocorating” in the beis hamikdash because of this. This isnt something that is new or unique to our dor. Only the response, “assur it” is new and unique.
david1999. Your friends, I’m sure, are all tremendous geonim, poskim and lamdanim, not seen since the times of the Rambam, and I’m sure they can all run circles around R’ Dovid Shlita when it comes to hilchos eruvin. Therefore, on behalf of the entire tzibbur I humbly and respectfully ask that your friends publicly announce who they are, so that we can all benefit from their tremendous geonus and lamdus and have an open door for all shaylos we may have.
The white house has to do something. They cant have a news outlet publicly question the statistics they spit out. where do you think we live, Iran, where the news is free to criticize the president? We live in the USA where it is the President way or the highway.
There seem to be several concerns running through this thread.
1: Inappropriate “mingling” of married couples. A question in hilchos ishus.
2: The jealousy created when one compares their spouse to someone elses. A question of shalom bayis.
Question. When the torah wants us to share our Yom tov, with the “Ger, Yasom and Almanah” did the torah not know that the Almanah was the opposite gender of the man of the house? Did the torah not know that yesomim belong to both genders. Does the torah want us to do away with chessed because of concerns we may have? Of course not. The torah wants us to do this chessed in the appropriate manner. Unsure what is appropriate? Ask your Rav, dont assur hachnosas orchim. If it isnt really hachnosas orchim, rather a way for the guys to get together and hang out and make a lichayim, while the women do whatever it is women do while their husbands are busy making lichayims, then it is laitzonus disguised as hachnosas orchim and against the torahs wishes anyway.
A name for the business? Perhaps the Coffee Room can offer a few suggestions?
Set up a table in the garage and try to give those coming to park a little taste of what shabbos is all about and perhaps in 6 months they riving over to the garage on shabbos any longer.
In the days of the Taanaim, did they have a policy about what color robes one could wear into the bais medrash? Did they only wear white robes? Black robes? Perhaps robes that were white on top and black on the bottom?
I have yet to see a Rishon dismiss the opinion of another based on the color of his clothing. “Come on, you cant take his shitta in hilchos bishul seriously, he wrote that while wearing a purple caftan” is only something you’d see in a sefer published by an insane alylum.
This entire discussion is asinine.
Whats next? Shirts done by the chineese laundy are no good because the non jew lacks the proper yiras shamayim while ironig the shirts and it will have a negative effect on the wearer?
Perhaps I should open a business that deals only in white shirts and get a hechsher guaranteeing that only yidden who washed negel vaaser touched the materials and machinary in all aspects of the manufacturing, packaging and shipping of the shirts. Then as an added bonus, start a new shirt cleaning service that assures that the starch has the highest hechsher and hire only those with the highest level of yiras shamayim, and who listen to torah tapes while laundering the shirts work in this store. This will assure that the perfectly starched Perry Ellis, Tommy Hilfiger, Nautica, Ralph Lauren, Brooks Brothers, Hart Schafner Marx, Marx Brothers and Saks Fifth Avenue shirts that adorn our bachurim are steeped in yiras shamayim and will not be a hinderence in any way shape or form to their further growth in torah, avodah and yiras shamayim as they grow to become the future leaders of Klal Yisroel.
Tamazaball. At the Sheva Brachos i attended, the family all left too. Its a chutzpah to make anyone sit around and wait, even family.
To top it off, the chasson and kallah were busy texting their friends half the time they were there.
Say what you want about his lack of hitting, but Mark Texeiras defense has saved at least 1 run every game this post season.
You might get a wave of the hand if all you will do is regurgitate 40 years of arguments that have been answered a million times.
Im sure you’ll have no problem walking into MTJ and getting a definitive answer regarding R’ Moshe psak.
During the summer i was invited to a sheva brachos and was told “its called for 7:30”. My ride got me there at 8. The chosson/kallah showed a bit after 9. The theme for this sheva brachos quickly became who could say mazel tov and get out the fastest. They had to ask people to please stay so that they would have a minyan for birchas hamazon and sheva brachos.