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How far?
Halachicly. As far as your Rav allows.
Medically. As far as your doctor allows.
Emotionally. As far as you can handle.
Financialy. As far as your bank account allows.
There are wonderful organizations that exist that help with the last 3. Hopefully everyone has a Rav.
A600, or should I say 300 (my opinion of you keeps dropping with every posting of yours).
Halacha defines how people should dress. If people are dressed within the guidelins of halacha, no matter then no matter how little you care for their mode of dress, you have no right, according to halacha to call them “grub and prust”.
So, your’e all for elevating a makom? Then the next time your shul collects money for renovations, tell them you’d rather daven out in the street, you want to elevate the Makom. (Clearly – i am being dan likaf zchus – you misunderstood what i wrote about this, but it has nothing to do with tznius so will leave it).
Again, nobody is asking you or advocating that you dress in a way you feel is “grub and prust”. On the other hand, calling those who are within the bounds of halacha, as guided by their poskim, grub and prust, is definitely grub and prust and falls outside the bounds of halacha.
Dear A600. Thank you for sharing with us your views and feelings and stating publicly that while thousands of torah observant women are within the bounds of halacha, you feel they are “grub” and “prust”. Thats fine, its your opinion and your entitled to it, just remember that thats all it is.
I’ll ask you the following. Is a $4000 shaitel that one can not tell is a shaitel also “grub and prust” according to the poskim who permit the wearing of a shaitel?
What about planning to daven mincha at a rest area on the thruway instead of shul? Is that grub and prust?
You get the point. If people are within the bounds of halacha, leave them be, unless you are their Rav or otherwise have a kesher with them and legitimatly can inspire them to take on chumros.
The more i think of it, i find it quite grub and prust to knock people who do not adhere to the chumros of you, your family or community..
“My “sect” isn’t lax in any area of halacha. You’ll need to speak to someone who speaks your language.”
Technically, Joseph is correct. The Websters definition of “LAX” (one of them anyway) is
“deficient in firmness : not stringent”.
Surely nobody here would claim that Joseph lacks in stringencies. He is anything BUT lax.
I heard he left the girl in the rain.
Tzippi.
1: Is Lakewood really “out of town” in this regard?
2: If all the schools go K-12 then what is the problem? why is the school suddenly no good for 9th grade or on the flip side, why is the girl suddenly no good for the school?
Techie: Are you looking for a shidduch?
Why not ask the parties involved? I know someone who made a shidduch for a divorced man by calling his ex-wife to hear her perspective. Turns out that all those who heard all sorts of reasons for the divorce and who would have ruined a shidduch by spreading that information, were all wrong. The ex wife actually had very nice things to say about her ex husband and recommended him very highly to someone who shared the same hashka as he did. She “moved to the left” while he “grew to the right” and they could not live together and raise a family under those circumstances.
I’m referring to the truly ignorant and stupid comment about women who dont wear socks.
Which part of the “shok” do the ankles belong to that halacha requires them to be covered by a pair of socks?
The Mishna Berura defines the “Shok” as the part of the leg from the torso down to the bottom of the knee (perhaps just below the end of the knee). The ankles are quite a bit lower.
Certainly many poskim from the previous generation as well as contemporary poskim disagree with this interpretation, but the MBs interpretation seems to have been accepted by many communities long before YWN and its forum for those who wish to make ignorant and stupid comments.
I really have no idea what goes on in Lakewood and these questions may be naive and certainly are based on ignorance.
Does every elementary school have a high school? Of the elementary schools that do have a high school, do they accept all girls from their elementary schools into their high schools? If not, why not? Is it an issue of “space” (IE, not enough classroom seats for all the high school girls)? If it is space, would opening another school be difficult if the entire community was behind opening another school to avoid this issue? Expanding one or 2 schools? Is it really an issue of to many people wanting to get into specific school(s) because of perception and beliefs about the school? Why is this a problem for girls and not boys? How many high school age boys learn outside of lakewodd for high school? Enough so that it is not a problem? Is it that boys high schools are easy to open because finding rebbeim to say a shiur is easy in lakewood?
It seems that every year this discussion comes up, again. Do the powers that be wait until July of every year to deal with it?
Guidance does not mean “its my way or the highway” or in this particular situation, “the shidduch we want, or none at all” (some older singles claim this is THE root cause for the “shidduch crisis” – but I do not want this thread to turn to that discussion).
The bigger questions are:
1: Are the parents being honest enough with their own child to assure that the guidance stems from whats best for the child and not whats best for their image?
2: Is the son/daughter mature enough to understand the parents position and are they confident enough in their decision to go ahead despite their misgivings?
In todays America the subject of this thread should be renamed to
“Who should we blame. Can we blame anyone besides ourselves?”
This is truly a naive question, borne purely out of ignorance. I live in the tri state area but can count on one hand the number of times I have been to Lakewood. Always to a simcha and never stayed overnight, so, I really dont know what the “matzav” may or may not be. Can someone answer the following question?
What percentage of people/families living in Lakewood are associated with the Yeshiva in a meaningful way?
What percentage of families have a peripheral association with the yeshiva (once learned in the kollel, work in the yeshiva, do business with the yeshiva).
What percentage of people simply live in Lakewood because of the city and have no connection to the yeshiva?
“When Parents Don’t Support a Shidduch…”
I know this is extreme, but if you are 100% certain that your choice of a shidduch is correct (through objectively looking at the situation, discussing with rabbeim, teachers or whoever it is you turn to in life), then I say go ahead with the shidduch, but be prepared to be without parental support. I use the word support with all its connotations.
Be open and honest with the other side of the shidduch and let them know how your parents feel. It is not fair (and is likely against halacha, but obviously not issuing a psak here) to the other side and quite dishonest to allow them to enter into a shidduch not knowing this basic fact.
Squeak, Joseph, you’re attitude is horrific. You may have learned lots of halacha, but absolutely no mussar.
I am more than happy to resign my position from your team.
R’ Avigdor Miller Z’l is reputed to have said “if yeshiva bachurim would wear yellow hats, so would I”.
Clothing identifies you as part of a certain group.
With some of the replies I am reading here, I am seriously reconsidering my black suit and white shirt (and yes, black hat) on shabbos. If the team that wears this uniform can express such a snobbish, horrible, attitude, I think I want to switch uniforms and be identified with another team.
I know this is old, but this stupid thread reminds me of it.
When eliyahu Hanavi comes to announce the Geula, nobody will listen to him.
The yeshivish wont like the color of his shirt or the shape of his hat, the Chasiddish wont like the length of his jacket, the Sefardim wont like his havara, some will have taanos that he has no college degree, while others will be upset that he has an mba. Some wont like the size, shape or color of his yarmulka, while others will be surprised that he wears one at all. Some wont like his shtickel torah, and others will be upset he didnt give tikkun with kichul and herring.
The most sensible response to this entire thread was offered by the one who wrote, “I dont normally reply because there is nothing ot reply to”. Truly nothing but silliness. Right before the three weeks to. Oh well.
“Don’t rationalize to me – I am not the arbiter.”
Nor the Aibishter.
I wish everyone would stop darshening to everyone else about what to do, how and when.
I’m willing to bet Moshe Rabbeinu did not wear a black hat, white shirt or even a tie.
The “moderate” candidate is every bit the sonei yisroel that Ahmadinejad is. The true ruler of Iran is the chief imam.
When you spend up to 2 hours a day commuting to and from work, you get to see all sorts of bumper stickers. This is an old line looks like it graduated to bumper sticker status.
“A Republican is a Democrat who was mugged”.
Not sure why “medical findings” is so amusing. People who live with Type 1 Diabetes for example do not find the creation of the “insulin pump” to be funny. Sure it brings a smile to their face, but because it is a wonderful way to live with “insulin therapy”. Sure beats multiple daily injections. The Ribono Shel Olam has provided many advances in the types of Insulin available, blood glucose monitoring and testing devices that are a benefit to those who need them. Surely a cause for a smile 🙂
I am not an endocinologist (I dont think I even spelled the specialty properly!) and make no claims of expertise…..with that said it should be pointed out that there are 2 types of diabetes, the 1st is Type 1 diabetes often called Juvenile Diabetes and the 2nd Type 2, often called Adult Onset (but more and more kids are getting Type 2).
Type 1 is permanent, and is “treatable” only through the use of Insulin which takes over for the inability of the persons pancreas to process glucose at all. Most of the topics listed above do not apply here. Lifestyle choices, excercise choices or diet will not help in any way as far as Diabetes is concerned (of course, it makes a big difference as far as other health related matters are concerned). Advances in technology make living with Type 1 Diabetes much easier.
Type 2 Diabetes is very much affected by the choices one makes.
One excellent support group for Frum people is the organization Friends With Diabetes, http://www.friendswithdiabetes.org, I am sure there are others.
Its been quite some time since ive been in a classroom as a student 🙂
I can say though, those in NYC looking for a good MBA program need not look any farther than Baruch.
I saw something similar on an old car. It said “0-60 in…..whats 60?”
How about a sign that says “forget the dog, beware of owner”
I saw this sticker on the FRONT of a car. “Run, Hillary, Run”.
I’m objective. I object to everything.
Aks me about Ebonics.
He who laughs last…..thinks slowest.
A mouse is an elephant built by the Japaneese.
“My other child is the village idiot”
“9 out of 10 Dentists recommend Crest Whitening Gel. The 10th has false teeth”
“To err is human, to forgive is divine and driving 35mph in a 65mph Zone is criminal”.
“And the Challah itself is in the shape of a Vav, a straight line between the two Hehs.”
So during the month of Tishrei when everyone bakes round challos we ignore the letter vav?
Motzai Shabbos? Is the melava malka served on paper or china. I would guess china, because the soggy food would go right through the paper.
And most importantly, do they use paper or china?
What?!??!?! The Mehadrin meals are not chulent and kugel on thursdays? No herring and kichel for breakfast? Better double check the hechsher!
Go for the Blackberry. Any model. All great phones and depending on your “other requirements” there are several models to choose from.
“Why is such a thing normal in Europe, yet completely out of the question in E”Y?”
Who said it is out of the question? Perhaps it is not common or even necessary, but why assume “out of the question”? For all you know such Rabbonim DO exist, you just dont know how or where to find them.
Then we have this:
“Oh, right, let’s throw in being absolutely convinced that actually all of the fundaments that the Edah haChareidis stands for are absolutely correct, though I simply don’t fit some of them (such as “not using the internet” and “no secular studies”).”
You readily admit that you agree 100% that the principles of a certain group are correct, yet you have a hard time with some of them (I suppose “simply dont fit some of them is open to interpretation – I understand it to mean you cant fit it into your lifestyle). Does this mean that you WANT to belong to this group but want them to bend their principles for you? Ignore the fact that you flaunt certain principles and accept you for who you are anyway? Perhaps it means you want to convince them that they are only 95% correct and they are wrong on these 2? What exactly are you looking to get from the Rav or community that you seek?
Pass it along to a friend. Let him/her look into it if you feel it is appropriate for them. No need to hoard all the names (poor choice of words, but dont want to bother coming up with another).
Kapusta? I think I’d rather eat the paper plate 🙂
The Lord Never Slumbers Or Sleeps but people do. Stay Alert.
Dont drink and drive….you may hit a pothole and spill your drink.
If you must drink and drive, drink Pepsi.
Dont distrub the wildlife, or the wildlife may distrub you.
“Shabbos Seudah – China or Paper”
B”H, we dont have to eat either. We have delicious fish, chicken, kugels and chulent 🙂
“jphone: Rabbi M.M. Weiss always talks about toamehuh chaim zachoo-tasting food before shobbos, make sure not too much or too little salt & pepper!”
If I’m not mistaken the subject of this thread is “Chulent. All Day. Every Day.” Where does Toameah fit in?
As I wrote that question, it just occured to me that Toameah, and chulent. all day. every day certainly is not a contradiction. At least not according to the opinion of Bais Shammai who holds you should always put aside “the best” for shabbos until you find something else. Using this opinion, the Chulent made Monday night, just might be the best of the week, and would be kept for shabbos, so Toameah applies, even on a Monday night.
Perhaps this has been said already but no way I am reading through all these posts….
I remember a loooong shmooze in Yeshiva that primarily dealt with bachurim going into the kitchen friday afternoon and eating chulent that was meant for shabbos. Among the issues mentioned was the fact that chulent is a “maychel sgabbos” and eating it before shabbos therefore detracts from kavod shabbos.
“Even the kohanim wore robes so as not to outline their legs up and down the ramp to the mizbeach;”
I thought the reason there was a ramp and not steps is so that the Kohanim would not have to take long strides and “uncover” their legs to the stones of the mizbayach which would happen because they wore robes and loose fitting (shorts?) pants.
Its good to know someone is keeping tabs on Daniel Breslaur.
I assume (perhaps I should not – in the immortal words of Felix Ungar, when you assume you make a “beast of burden” out of you and me) that wearing form flattering tight clothes is meant as a way to attract attention to ones figure. If that assumption is correct it is a direct contradiciton of “hatzea leches….”.
Would you settle for prune juice?
Bubby is still the most inexpensive for my family 🙂
For $500-$700 I might consider paying Bubby to keep the kids an extra week 🙂
Perhaps we should require the moderators use their real names?
If we did, we’d have 12 moderators named Chaim Cohen, 14 Baruch Katz’s, 9 Esther Friedmans and 14 Yoel_From_Willi_B’s.