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Moish, I spent man years in yeshiva and many years single. Learning plus sense of humor plus too much time on hands from being single = plenty of Purim Torah. The well is far from dry.
Most people in the world are lactose intolerant. Lactose tolerance is a rarity. In the 70’s, the US sent cans of powdered milk to Africa. the Africans who drank it got terrible diarrhea, and many died.
This was not the only place I read semi-positive comments about the event from Reb Shmuel Kaminetzky. As always, ask your LOR. But as Reb Shmuel says in the article, people need outlets.
No I’m not explaining these…????? ???? and those who don’t are probably better off…
The gematria of ??? is 70. the gematria of ??? is 70. Chazal tell us based on this that ???? ??? ??? ?????…
Purim does bring out the best in people- their lunch, their supper…
We do have the serious shaila of shalach manos al menas lehachazir and seudah al menas lehachazir if you’re yotzei either…
On other days we say ?? ?? ????, but on Purim we sing ?? ???? ?? to be meramez that it is the ???? ?? ???…
????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ?????…
To me it’s not the maaseh, it’s the chalos.
The daled meaning ?? is common in mishnaic hebrew and Aramaic, eg ?????? ?????? – ???? ??? .
The other prblem with vomiting is it raises shailos like seuda al menas lehachazir, shalach manos al menas lehachazir, etc.
When Zeresh suggested to Haman that he build a gallows 50 amos high, which shita of amah did she use? It couldn’t have been Rav avraham chaim naeh’s shita of almost 19 inches per amah, because 1. It’s not high enough, 2. How do you fit Haman and his 10 sons on one pole 79 feet high? it would be a bit crowded. So must be she suggested using the amah of the chazon ish, almost 24 inches. Is there any remez to this in the megilla? Yes. Zeresh said,???? ??. The gematria of ???? is 386. That happens to be the same gematria as ????? ???. So we know she suggested that he use the shiur of the Chazon Ish.. We know he followed her advice because it says ???? ???, and ????has the same gematria, 386.
A moshol squeak, nothing more. You’re riding the bench for the next opening in the circle of 36.
Charlie Brown, I greet you with the secret handshake.
If they were against it they would put out another kol koreh. They have not. The yated prints ads for it. I’m not saying the gedolim are for it. They’re just not against it.
Mozgin lo kos asiri
Translation: The tenth cup of wine is poured.
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The name “Jothar” dates back to my old geeky days of Role Playing games. The full title was “Jothar of the Hill People”, no relation to Will Hill or Hill of Beans.
Squeak, that’s what makes a lamedvavnik a lamedvavnik- the ability to look like an ordinary Jew but still maintain a hidden kedusha.
I can only try, I know it’s a sincere bracha. but when you’re at someone’s wedding and trying to focus on the simcha instead of on yourself, each mention of it is a reminder that you’re still single. If you have never been in that situation you can’t understand. Some people were sincere, many just said it to be polite. Trust me, the bracha would be more appreciated by many singles if it was said silently. I’m sure childless couples at brisos feel the same way.
Joseph, even someone whose shita is to get completely drunk from a real mesorah (as opposed to picking the shita he’s most comfortable with) has to admit that there is no shita that permits skipping krias shma or bentching. Someone who does this is not a tzaddik.
Don’t worry, Squeak, you’re the “Rudy” of the lamedvavniks. One day you’ll get your chance, if you’re not too bavust beforehand. There’s no shame in being a lamedzayinnik.
The midrash mentions that there was once a fierce tribe of warriors known as the Meisim or Meitim, who would loudly proclaim their fierceness and fight vigorously. However, this peculiar band of warriors would just collapse and give up the fight at the end, allowing the enemy to run roughshod over them. Thus, they were known as “the meisim” or “the meitim”.
Today the name has been Anglicized to “the Mets”.
“Do not rely on nobles, on the son of Manning who provides no salvation”…
Here is a story proving my point from the excellent book “In Their Shadow”, Yonasan Rosenblum’s English translation of “???????” by Rabbi Shlomo Lorincz, which is chock full of selected stories about The Chazon Ish, the Brisker Rav, and Rav Shach. I highly recommend it for anyone who’s looking for an honest look at what made these 3 Gedolim. On page 16, the author is discussing the fact that many yeshivas of his time refused to take Sephardi kids. One such Rosh Yeshiva told the Chazon Ish that he didn’t take Sephardi kids because he felt they would not be successful in their learning. The Chazon Ish said back, “If that’s the case, how is it that you study the Rif and the Rambam?” In another story, a Rosh Yeshivas rejected Sephardi kids because they don’t speak yiddish, the teaching langage of the school. The Chazon Ish advised the man to switch to ivrit so he could accept Sephardi kids. Keeping the language as Yiddish would force kids who don’t know Yiddish to worse schools, and the loss would outweigh the gain of not speaking ivrit.
Today in Israel, the shanda of segregating Sephardi and American kids is a reality, despite our Gedolim.
Us Lamedvavniks get the best of everything- if we acted all pious people might catch on to us or something. And if you think we’re ugly, gevald are you ugly! (paraphrase from shlomo carlebach’s shvartze wolf story, not a personally directed comment)
jojo, Rav Shmuel Kaminetsky Shlit”a has publicly expressed his support for the concert and for Lipa. Here’s an article:
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In an interview shortly before the concert was cancelled last year Rabbi Kamenetzky expressed regret at possibly acting in haste to sign the ban. He acknowledged that the claims of the man who sought the concert ban, to have spoken with prominent rabbis in Israel, had not been closely examined, and that the rabbis who signed the ban in the United States had not met to discuss it, as was their usual practice.
In that particular case they were successful. Lipa openly acknowledged that threats were made against his livelihood as a performer, noting that he had a mortgage and a family to support.
Since then Lipa has seen a strong resurgence in his career with the release of a popular compact disc and numerous public appearances, including one at a wedding in Williamsburg within days of the concert cancellation. Still, some apparently still nurse hard feelings.
[complaints] to me [that he was allowed to perform]
Again, I’m totally against people drinking themselves to the floor, rolling around in their vomit, and being tofeach al menas lehatfiach with their vomit-covered bodies. I’m also against people putting themselves in a situation of sakanah. And of course i’m against people who don’t do the deoraysahs like Krias shma and bentching. But I just thought it prudent to point out the flipside too- yeshiva guys, even at their worst, are better than goyim.
As one of my rabbeim used to say, “Purim brings out the best in people- their lunch, their supper…”
Areivim, his earlier mod did make a reference to me, but he removed it. So I’m still nistar. I am still allowed to attend the annual “36” retreat…
In my yeshiva we had a group of vocal guys who were against the chillul Hashem that goes on when all the guys drink themselves to the floor. One day one of them talked to one of the janitors brought in special for Purim. The janitor said that he’s actually impressed – when goyim get drunk they get mean and nasty.
The fact that it’s on this year with the haskamah of Gedolim makes it a big success.
It is a minhag yadua on Purim that many a bachur will dress up as a chossid, get schnocked, and act like a total fehrd. Is there a mekor for this?
After some searching, I found a mekor for this from the Megilla:
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Mod, I appreciate the public kavod, but I’m trying to bleib a lamadvavnik- once I’m bavust I lose my membership discounts..the other 35 don’t like bavuste lamadvavniks…
Chunchie, I wish I could answer you. As someone who got married later, I tried, and failed, to be happy for my friends, or even for younger siblings who got married or engaged before me. I was able to be happy for older guys who got married. I will tell you that once I was married, I was able to be happy for them retroactively. If you’re a bachur, I would recommend a small amount of shnapps (NOT a whole bottle) to enable you to focus on your friends instead of yourself at their wedding. It also enables you to ignore the daggers of “im yirtzah Hashem by you” that people so careless toss in your direction. It could be you can try thinking to yourself, “If I was married would I be happy for them?” But again, I have no claim of success here. Hatzlacha rabba.
I’m having trouble finding anything in the Hebrewbooksonline website, but I did find this Malbim which can be read to allow anything:
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????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????
??? ??”? ??? ???? ??? ???. ???? ?”? ??’ ?????
??? ???? ??? ????? ?? ??”? ??? ??? ?? ??
???? ???? ?.? ????? ?????? ???????, ???? ???
???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??”? ???
?:?:??? ????????? ??????? ????? ???? ?????????
??,???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????, ??? ????
??? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?????, ????’
???? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ????,
WOW!
Sometimes you find mekoros in the strangest places when you weren’t even looking for them.
Last night I was reading through the hakdamahs and haskamahs for the Kav Hayashar, a combination halacha-mussar-kabbalah sefer. The original had Lashon Hakodesh on the top and “Loshon Ashkenaz” at the bottom. This sefer has an enthusiastic haskama by the Pri Megadim (The poseik hador of his time- Reb Yaakov Kaminetzky ZT”L said that his test to become the rabbi of Tzitevian in Lithuania was “every line of the Pri Megadim”). This haskama mentions that this sefer is for Talmidei chachamim, laymen, and women (who were able to read the “Lashon Ashkenaz”, as the Pri Megadim calls it.) The other prefaces in the sefer mention that many women continue to learn this sefer even today. This sefer also explains the reasons for mitzvos, and has many direct quotes from the Zohar. Yet, it was muuttar for women to read due to the weakened conditions of Jewry after the Shabsai Tzvi incident. So if this sefer is muttar, then the Ramban definitely is.
Mod, My anonymous Rebbe ZT”L remains anonymous because my (sometimes too non-yeshivish) views and (sometimes overly argumentative and aggressive) behavior here in the coffee Room are not an accurate reflection of his views and exemplary middos, and I would be doing him a disservice if people started associating my views with his.
FWIW, my anonymous Rebbe ZT”L felt that when addressing other women besides your wife, you call them Mrs. or Miss, not by their first names. Relationships with other women should be cordial but not friendly. When I first started working I tried that, but the constant wear-and-tear and the fact that the veiber I worked with found it offensive (they felt like their mothers) made me drop it.
In that case, I hope we live up to his standards.
Wow. I’m torn. I hear what the 2 Hills are saying, and I hear what the mod is saying. Mod42, is there an official Daas Torah who Yeshivaworld follows who can be asked for clarity on this important issue?
You mods have a heavy achrayos here. I wish you all much hatzlacha in keeping this place kosher.
We try to follow your anonymous Rebbe ZTL
I heard this one from a chavrusa, besheim a chashuvah rov in Brooklyn. it says in the Megilla that “vachamaso boarah vo”, ie that Achashveirosh’s mother-in-law was named boarah vo. Later it says “Vachamaso shachacha”, meaning that his mother-in-law was named Shachacha. How could Achashveirosh have 2 mothers-in-law? The teretz must be that vashti had 2 mothers. And in fact we see it says “Gam Vashti Hamalka asisa mishtei nashim”…
anonymiss, it’s not my line, it’s the Satmar Rav’s. Most elementary school kids could do with less homework. As for high school kids, I honestly couldn’t tell you. Homework is a poor substitute for honest-to-goodness parenting.
Joseph, I agree 100%. the problem is that in many cases, the gedolim aren’t consulted. The gedolim were quite clear that kicking a child out of yeshiva is a drastic step that must be deliberated on for quite a while. Rav Shach ZT”L once called some mechanchim “rotzchim” for not doing that. There are kids kicked out of yeshivas every day. How many of them are done with the haskama of gedolim? We also find that in yeshivas run by actual gedolim (Reb Yaakov ZT”L, Reb Moshe ZT”L, et al), the curriculum was a lot more tolerant of kids being kids.
labochur, I don’t have it clear either. I’m also a balabos not a poseik, meaning my opinion counts for nothing- ask your local Orthodox Rabbi, which I am not.
Rav Zalmon Sorotzkin, in a sefer so obscure I can’t hunt it down, says that you can teach them maskanos. It sounds like torah shebaal peh, but more than dinim (which are muttar according all). But I want to see it inside.
All agree women are allowed to learn whatever they want on their own- Prisha on the tur based on the Rambam.
Most seminaries do not allow gemara but do allow Ramban on chumash. Again, this sounds like Torah shebaal peh, and it’s a stretch to read that into the Chofetz chaim’s likutei halachos. One of my learned friends in klei kodesh claims that the Ramban is part of yiras shomayim, which is muttar, and gemara isn’t. I don’t hear it, but it must be what the seminaries are following, unless there is another heter I’m not aware of.
Q- We have Parshas Zachar. but what about Parshas Nekeivah?
A- We have one. It’s called Parshas Parah…
Here is a shtickle I heard from a kollel man during my yeshiva days, trying to explain a point about learning:
Kollel man: why does the torah begin with a gimmel?
Me: It begins with a beis.
Kollel man:- Oh, so that’s one teretz.
It’s now tzeis. Even though it’s really 30 shvat, it’s still called rosh chodesh adar.
Mozgin lo kos rishon…
Tzippi, it could be there is such a chiluk. I just can’t find a mekor for it anywhere.
Squeak, garbage goes basar tavar maneh- it’s zarak cheitz. As for Haman, it could be it was muttar for shalom malchus. Also, he was only a safek avel, since zeresh had no chezkas kashrus.
Rabbi Abraham j. Twerski has written why the metzius changed. he said that it used to be that weak babies were killed by childhood disease. Everyone who urvived was much stronger. today, due to our good neonatal care system, even the weak survive. The weaker ones are more susceptible to addiction.
If kids are allowed kosher outlets, they won’t need unkosher outlets.
There is a famous story that someone once asked the Satmar Rav ZT”L why many Yerushalmi kids learn so well when they’re younger but nothing became of them later in life. He said, “If the kids don’t play when they’re younger, they play when they’re older”.
Rav Matisyahu Solomon once did a study of the leaders of the “masmid” programs as elementary school kids, and checking what became of them. He found NO correlation between kids who did well in those programs and later Yeshiva success. Let kids be kids. He is absolutely correct- go back to raising talmidim, not gedolim.
Purim Torah means nonsensical vertlach people say on Purim. It’s not meant to be truthful.
Because depth= torah shebaal peh. And if that’s muttar, then gemara is as well. If Gemara isn’t muttar, then Rambans shouldn’t be as well.
Tzippi, bingo.
Here is the relevant stuff for Rav Dovid Feinstein:
http://matzav.com/rav-dovid-feinstein-a-treife-knife-and-halacha-lemaaseh-on-cholov-yisroel/
Getting back to the original topic, I got a chance to speak to my rav and poseik tonight. Unfortunately, there was a line of people needing to ask more important shailos. I asked him about the change in dating styles and he told me that today’s people can’t handle the old style when their parents set them up. He told me one of his chassidishe friends told me if he had a choice he would allow his daughters to date the American way, except then his daughters would never get married. As always, ask your LOR.
Don’t know about ice cream, but the Reb dovid quote lifted shamelessly off another website by me clearly says chalav stam is muttar midina. Again, other talmidim of Reb Moshe ZT”L argue. I’m not sure how Reb dovid reads the words shas hadchak. I asked him once, and he said something along the lines of “that’s what it means”. It’s been many long years, but I encourage you to call up and get clarity- I’m not the “mara deshmatza”. Based on Reb Dovid’s well-known dislike of long explanations, your best bet is to call Rabbi Frankel of the Agudah of 5 towns, not Reb Dovid- Rabbi Frankel can give you a longer explanation. His name was attached to the aformentioned halacha post I swiped from another website. I heard that shas hadchak meant that we need to keep the frum companies in business, but that’s unconfirmed. I am very interested to hear the results of your conversation.
Of course, according to some poskim, NOBODY is really drinking cholov yisroel, as it’s not watched by a Jew the whole time. So you’re spending more money to get a more spoiled product which may not even have any maalos over a good half gallon of Skinny Cow Special Request. It’s almost the same ripoff as those ” bishul yisroel sticker slapped on a regular product” deals, where they are relying on a light bulb for bishul yisroel, which many poskim don’t hold of. So you’re spending a huge premium to get a product that may not have any maalos over the regular product!
The OU is talking about using video monitors to monitor dairy farms. This would mean that ALL milk can be cholov yisroel at a low cost, and we can all drink fresh, long-lasting cholov yisroel milk at a good price. I am eagerly awaiting that day.
Anon, I have heard it’s taught in more than just one seminary. However, I Baruch Hashem am ignorant of the matzav in most seminaries- al tarbeh sicha im isha prevents me from clarifying the exact metzius in the top seminaries, but I’ve spoken to friends with wives from different seminaries who tell me their wives learned Maharal. They all learn Ramban, which, aaccording to the Taz, is clearly Torah shebaal peh as it’s more than basic pshat.