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I read a slew of articles on it from various news sources. My take on it is the same as Rabbi Dr. Richard Joel, Rabbi Yonah Reiss, and Rabbi Mayer Twersky, so clearly I understood it correctly. And one of the toeva speakers said it himself:
This person founded a toevah organization, and referred to the support for his toevah activities he received at this event. Hoda’as baal din keme’ah eidim.
And here is the message from the President and Menahel of RIETS:
In light of recent events, we want to reiterate the absolute prohibition of [mishkav zachar] relationships according to Jewish law. Of course, as was indicated in a message issued by our Roshei Yeshiva, those struggling with this issue require due sensitivity, although such sensitivity cannot be allowed to erode the Torah’s unequivocal condemnation of such activity. Sadly, as we have discovered, public gatherings addressing these issues, even when well-intentioned, could send the wrong message and obscure the Torah’s requirements of halakhic behavior and due modesty. Yeshiva has an obligation to ensure that its activities and events promote the primacy and sacredness of Torah in our lives and communities. We are committed to providing halakhic guidance and sensitivity with respect to all challenges confronted by individuals within our broader community, including [mishkav zachar] inclinations, in a discreet, dignified and appropriate fashion.
President Richard M. Joel Menahel Rabbi Yona Reiss
Swiper from another blog which swiped it from the Jewish star:
[desecration of G-d’s name]
[an abomination]
[mishkav zachar]Clearly, there are those who liked it better when the problems were swept under the carpet, and the stalkers, harassers, blackmailers, et al had free reign, and their victims were intimidated into silence. And they are unhappy about their victims saying “enough is enough”. Many Penn State Alumni are upset about the victims coming forward as well.
This time, however, I really wasn’t trying to stir up anything- I just asked a simple question. Then I get brutally attacked for it by various troll sn’s, and then the troll starts a thread like this under a different sn blaming me for the unpleasantness unleashed by his other sn’s. This has happened before. I guess the idea is to teach my to learn my lesson, and to intimidate me into silence so the stalking, harassing, etc can resume. Not happening.
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Good shabbos. Zachor es yom hashabbos lekadsho!
Correct. He was there yesterday but I was too wiped from shopping to hock him and get any kind of clarity. I will try again Friday night or motzaei shabbos kodesh. I do recall asking him or his son about this previously and being told it’s not true, but that’s vague and I want birur. So iy”h bli neder tonight or motzei shabbos kodesh.
I think Matisyahu should do a combined concert with the Moshav band, and they could call it Moshav Matisyahu.
I am referring to the get-together, a week after mishpacha published their article on Rav Hershel Shachter, with Rabbi Yossi Blau, Dr. Pelcowitz, and a few openly mishkav zachar students getting cheered on by the gathering. I am aware that many YU rabbonim promptly denounced it. But this doesn’t happen in Touro.
The Beacon has run other columns in the past trying to whitewash ignoring blatant halachos of yoreh deah and even ha’ezer, and reading much of the secular Jewish press, it seems it accurately reflects YU more than they care to admit. Add this to the mishkav zachar open support group and YU is not the place for a frum Jew. So it’s either Touro or Naaleh. Although at $180 per credit hour, Naaleh seems the wave of the future.
I’d rather a bottle in fronta me than a frontal lobotomy.
Get a natural lap band- cinch the belt tighter.
Sam2, so you are telling me that YU is NOT a frum college, and comparing Touro to YU is like comparing Touro to NYU, correct? So you are agreeing that a frum person should go to Touro, correct?
I do a good air guitar.
Mods, please approve the following link:
Btguy, thanks!
I play second fiddle…
The more I read about the Beacon issue, the more I realize that YU can NOT be compared to Touro in any way, shape or form. The Beacon is a beacon declaring “tamei tamei” for YU and Stern.
Gregaaron, Reb Moshe ZT”L paskened that a frum Jew can work as an auditor. As for traffic tickets, the traffic laws are there for a reason. Blocking hydrants and running reds can kill people. A Jewish cop is perfectly allowed to write tickets.
Datura77, click the “contact us” link at the top, and the mods will forward it to me. Just say pls forward to jothar. Thx.
He says he still goes to mikveh and shul.
I said something very nice. Why is everyone jumping on me? I
Yoreh Deah permits milchigs bread if there is a siman on the loaf. The kashrus agencies would rely on the D on the wrapping. Very iffy. Most reputable kashrus agencies do not do this anymore for bread.
The gemara says it’s sakanah to eat fish and meat together. It’s not a kashrus issue but a sakanah issue. Rav Dovid Feinstein Shlit”a agrees to Rav Shachter partially in that it’s probably not applicable today, but he argues in that he would still keep to the exact case of the shulchan aruch. So it’s batul beshishim, it’s only cooking together that is the issue, and it’s fine to drink omega-3 oj with meat.
The gemara says that you can’t leave peeled eggs, onions, and garlic overnight due to sakanah. The shulchan aruch does not mention this halacha. Some poskim argue that it’s not relevant anymore, as it’s no longer a sakanah. Others say it’s relevant but only as-ism like Rav Dovid Feinstein Shlit”a. There is a kulah relied upon that it’s not an issue in large quantities, so you can buy peeled garlic from a store. Not too many people are makpid on this halacha anymore. Chassidim are makpid on this halacha for their products.
There is a machlokes haposkim if fish is batul beshishim or not with regards to meat, since it’s a davar sakanah. The OK labels Tropicana omega 3 OJ as OU fish. I herad besheim Rav Dovid Feinsten Shlit”a that he disagrees, and that we have no need to extend the chazal of fish and meat beyond what we have in mesorah. Being that we don’t see a sakanah today, we only have to be chosheish exactly as it’s brought down. It’s the same reason why you can buy peeled garlic cloves in most frum stores.
I was once in Target and saw Archer Farms chicken Seasoning…it was OU-D. One of the national hashgachos used to give hechsheirim to milchigs hot dog and hamburger buns. At this point, only the Triangle-K does that.
I lent my rav my copy of “Children in Halacha” in an attempt to get him to reverse his psak.
I will iy”h ask him about a fluorescent bulb tomorrow or Shabbos.
I asked him your case. He said there is room to be meikel for the rabbim in a case like yours, even if it was a shogeig of a deoraysa. The avaryan and his son would have to leave the shul, but there is room to be meikel for tzarchei Rabbim.
This is why I daven in a shul with a rav, and one well-versed in halacha at that. Othertise it’s ish hayashar be’einav ya’aseh.
I had some from the local deli. It was a sheine lashon!
I haven’t heard about your daughters of late. I wish them much bracha and hatzlacha.
Principal Training Initiative? I have some friends who did that. What does it have to do with CC?
Try Chaim Berlin, the home of our most illustrious posters.
What is wrong with waiting an hour for a post to go up?
Datura, do you have openings currently? I might know some good candidates. Do not post up any private info, but you know that already as an IT person.
Many sephardim wear white polo shirts to weddings. I have seen this with my own eyes.
Check their hashkafah.com web page and decide if their hashkafos are correct.
The heter mentioned was for a derabanan where it benefits the child, in cases of great necessity, eg telling a child to shut off a light.
I am at work now so I will need to get back to you on the halacha of a kid in the same room as the parents. Iy”h tonight I will check it up. I didn’t make this up though.
Fluorescent light bulbs- my rav paskens they are different than incandescent bulbs, and you can tell a goy to turn them on or off on shabbos, as opposed to a fluorescent bulb. He did his research, and he concludes differently. He’s not am “am ha’aretz” rav. His specialty is halacha and metzius.
Yes, my child of 18 months knows if I’m happy or upset with his actions. I wasn’t talking about encouraging him one way or the other. When he’s on his own, he spills things ,plays with phones, plays with light switches, makes noise, all without trying to please or upset me. It’s part of being a leibidikke child. It is clearly daas atzmo when he is near a switch or toy that makes noise. If your 18-month-old is obedient to you then I truly envy you. So yes, if he was three and my wife turned the light out, and he wanted to please me by turning it on, I would be mechuyav to stop him, even though he is under the age of chinuch. But if I hold him near the light and give no indication either way, then it is daas atzmo. I looked up the piskei teshuvos last night on siman 334, and he brings down a machlokes if you are mechuyav to be mafrish your katan below chinuch even when it is daas atzmo or by tinok she’ein lo daas klal.
He does bring a mishkenos yaakov that holds you are mechuyav to be mafrish a katan she’ein lo daas klal from doing an issur shabbos even tho it’s not a meleches machsheves.
That said, I was calling around last night after I read your post to find out what my own rav holds, and he holds like this, which is even more machmir than you- he holds is can NEVER be your own child, and if it’s someone else’s child it’s until the age of 2, and it can’t be a vadai he will turn it on. This is more machmir than Rabbi Simcha Bunim Cohen, who allows you to put a child right to the light, so if anyone has his number or can speak to him on this to get clarity, I would appreciate it. So yeah, I can’t rely on his sefer anymore as I must follow my own rov, but my own rav allows me to get the goytah from the building to turn off or on the the fluorescent lights so it’s a wash.
You are absolutely correct about a child of 3-4. At this point, I admit my ignorance. I studied these halachos but forgot them. I’m a balabos at work now and don’t have MB or SA-OC access. As the issur of being mazhir a gadol about a katan, the father did an aveirah beshogeig- he thought it was muttar. It is clearly assur for him to daven in the shul. Would it be muttar for everyone else in the shul as a shaas hadchak, or since the aveirah beshogeig was done for your benefit everyone would be mechuyav to leave the shul?
The gemara in sukkos says that stealing something and making a bracha on it is cursing Hashem- ain zeh mevarech ela mena’etz.
The “Beacon” controversy would never have happened in Touro.
The pics are bavust and mefursam. The old Chaim Berlin yearbooks have pictures of Rav Hutner in a grey suit and a mustache. Many of these pictures are available in the Atrscroll book “Tha Mashgiach”, about Rav Meir Chadash ZT”L.
I once heard from Rabbi Drillman about a certain gadol (I believe it was Rav Chaim Shmulevitz, if someone who is close to him can ask him to confirm I would appreciate it)who used to give a shiur dressed rather snazzily. A chassidishe bochur complained to the rosh hayeshiva, whereupon the rosh Hayeshiva told him that iluyim are allowed to dress how they want. Many years later, the chassidhse bochur, now an older man, met with this gadol in Eretz Yisroel. the gadol remembered the bochur from years back, and told him, in yiddish, “I look different now, no?”
Yeah. Even better, let’s make a special section called trolling/stalking and move all the trolling and stalking threads to one area.
Ain zeh mevarech ela mena’etz.
They go running for the shelter of a mother’s little helper. These drugs are expensive, though.
The halacha is as you said- one cannot command a katan to do a melacha for an adult, but one is not mechuyav to be be mafrish a katan below the age of chinuch from doing a melacha.
You claim that a 1-year-old has the daas to understand a father’s ratzon is ee efshar leholmo unless your son is an ilui atzum. The halacha is a child can sleep in his parents’ room until 18 months old. Clearly, a child until that age has no da’as whatsoever. A 4-year-old is below the age of chinuch, but would understand what his parents want. My toddler has no clue what I want if I don’t tell him directly. Rabbi Simcha Buni Cohen brings down this halacha on pages 66-67 of his sefer “Children in Halacha” and writes it as a practical halacha, keneged your Daas Torah. He also brings down that, in cases of great need (but not stam), one may instruct a child to do something if it is for the child’s benefit. Not that I would rely on this unless I asked my rav, but it’s not pashhut to call it a melacha deoraysah in the case of a shul where the child benefits from it as well.
Here is Rabbi Zev Leff on the same point:
http://www.rabbileff.net/shiurim/answers/1000-1249/1172.mp3
I will also add that in my house, all bulbs are fluorescent and not incandescent.
How old was the child in the shul? Was the power just for fluorescent lights or also for incandescent bulbs? Was it pashut that his child understood what it was for? Did the child benefit from the lights being on?
Hi mods, please let this link through. It shows students of the Chevron yeshiva in the 20’s:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Hebron_Yeshiva_students%2C_c._1920s.png
And here we have Rav Hutner:
http://kedem-auctions.com/sites/default/files/278_3.jpg
not exactly dressed like today’s talmidim.
Sunday is the day that baalei battim can get to learn. Sunday morning learning programs give me a geshak that lasts all week.
Wow. So many hoopy froods here.
hello99, shkoyach. No such issur, as long as the child is below a certain age and only has a maaseh kof. However, you can’t direct his movements or indicate to him what he/she should be doing.
One thing the OP proves is that this idea of davening to the Rebbe isn’t a rumor…it’s a fact.
Great product. I got it for my in-laws. When my kids get older I will iy”h be buying it. For now I just use content advisor because they don’t know about alternative browsers yet, and I have opendns filtering.
