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JotharMember
How about an Android app? there is no good streaming android app that plays jewish music. This way I could listen in my car through my phone.
JotharMemberAccording to the chassam sofer, Nittel nacht follows the Eastern Orthodox (Julian) calendar, not the modern Gregorian.
JotharMemberYiddish=German. How a about a kodesh tam?
JotharMemberI have tremendous sympathy for those who struggle with this nisayon, like I have for those who struggle with pedophilia. Yet, we expect those who struggle with the latter nisayon to have a “zero failure rate”, as the cost to society for failure is devastating. The same thing applies to the former category, as both are yehareig ve’al yaavors. I do agree that those who struggle and succeed have nisyonos that many of us cannot imagine, and have sechar that many of us cannot imagine. Dr. Pelcovitz basically stated what Rav Aharon Feldman stated. but to have active baalei toevah speak is what pushes it into unacceptability. We are asked to sympathize with active baalei aveirah, and that is wrong. If they had the event with just Rabbi Blau and Rabbi Pelcovitz, it would have been a completely different event.
Toeva is toeva. Chillul Shabbos is chillul shabbos, even if you have a terrible nocotine craving. Arayos is arayos, no matter how strong the nisayon. “yashav velo avar aveirah” gets tremendous sechar. But I will not celebrate baalei aveirah. “Matzdik rasha umarshia tzadik, Toavas Hashem Gam sheneihem”.
JotharMemberIt’s an issue and it needs to be dealt with. Fortunately, Rav aharon feldman Shlit”a wrote a letter years ago regarding his views on the subject, which match what rabbi Pelcovitz said.
That is NOT the same thing as giving an open forum to baalei toevah to say yes I commit yehareig ve’al yaavors (nitein lehatzilo benafsho) but accept me for who I am. I accept those who struggle and deny their urges. I cannot accept those who give into them and expect “support” for their decision.
JotharMemberFrom Matzav:
For a candid conversation about a toeivah lifestyle to take place at a New York City university might be commonplace. Certainly, it would be expected at any one of the liberal campuses around town.
But at Yeshiva University, a school considerably more conservative than its neighbors?
Thrust into the thick of a debate over a toeivah lifestyle and Orthodox Judaism in recent weeks, the school did just that on Tuesday night. Pushed to do so after an anonymous toeivah student wrote an article in the school paper, organizers sought to address the painful conflict of living a toeivah lifestyle in the religious world.
At the outset, Rabbi Yosef Blau, spiritual adviser at YU, stressed that the discussion was not meant to be a debate about halacha. His words were echoed by a toeivah student who addressed a packed audience.
Organized by the YU Tolerance Club and Wurzweiler School of Social Work, the event attracted hundreds of students, graduates and faculty members. Dozens were turned away and fire officials were on hand at one point when security guards said the building had reached capacity.
But not everyone felt that way. There were rumors Tuesday night that some fliers for the event were defaced. On Facebook, where the event was publicized, some published critical comments of those who would ignore the religious prohibition of toeivah.
Indeed, during a question and answer session, audience members sought to understand how the toeivah men maintained their level of observance.
YU itself has a rocky history when it comes to dealing with toeivah on its campuses. In the 1990s, the university grappled with whether to allow toeivah clubs at its law school. In the past, the school has been accused of denying housing to toeivah couples at its medical school.
Last year, the founding of a Tolerance Club, which welcomed toeivah members, was simultaneously praised by some and decried as blasphemous by others.
December 24, 2009 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm in reply to: Blogs and Forums- Do the Pros Outweigh the Cons? #670850JotharMemberIt’s a good idea of it’s moderated. Bad idea if it’s not.
JotharMemberxoxo is txt, not Chinese.
JotharMemberBecause Yiddishe tam names are like wearing a black hat, white shirt and black pants- it doesn’t identify who you are, since you look like everyone else. “Kama yosi ika beshuka”.
JotharMemberI still lurk, but I post more rarely.
JotharMemberThe OU sourcebook shows that the murex trunculus techeles are NOT clearly the right ones. Too many kashyes:
1. The dye is chemically indistinguishable from kala ilan (indigo). Yet, the gemara says there was a test to distinguish techeiles from indigo.
2. The murex trunculus shells are not the color of the sea.
3. Murex trunculus doe not come up every 70 years.
There were a slew of other kashyas which I don’t remember offhand. But the bottom line is, it’s not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination. Tishbi yetareitz.
JotharMemberAccording to Rabbi Hillel Goldberg’s book on Rav Yisroel Salanter, as well as Rabbi Israel Glenn’s book, Rav Yisroel Salanter ZT”L suffered from depression, what was called by his talmidim as a “mara shechora”. He overcame it to become on of the most influential leaders klal yisorel has had in the last 150 years.
Most gedolim have dealings with people who have depression, as it’s very common- much more common than people are willing to let on.
JotharMemberWho’da thunk it that Mod42 would quote a toeva character in the CR? 🙂
JotharMemberSo Moderator 42 is familiar with Harry Potter.
JotharMemberCongrats to surviving one year of moderating.
JotharMemberA few points I noticed:
1. It seems that enjoying chazzanus has never really been a chareidi pastime.
2. This article also explains why chazzanus loved so much by the irreligious- it gives them a religious experience without actually having to be religious. That’s why the religious chazzanim didn’t record their works- to prevent the irreligious from using it as an ersatz religious experience.
3. Cantor Helfgot says 90% of the people in a shul either don’t want, or are neutral to, chazzanus. 10% is a miut hamatzui,but it does explain why most places don’t have such chazzanus- why put people through something that detracts from their oneg shabbos? It’s a form of entertainment, but most people feel that “we are not amused”.
4. Today’s chazzanim are frum, and this is helping to cause chazzanus to be an acceptable form of entertainment once again.
JotharMemberThere is always GOOGL (46645)- send them a text. Good for most things.
JotharMemberHavesomeseichel, agreed 100%. Everyone has a role. Not everyone is meant to sit and learn, and they would do much more good for klal yisroel protecting lives than wasting time in the beis midrash. There’s a reason why “Nachal” has the support of most oif the litvishe gedolim. But for those who can accomplish while learning, they are better off learning than being a soldier.
JotharMemberWe’re talking hoya and floyah. While the physical soldier is the shaliach, the zechuyos are determined by the mitzvos and learning done. A gvir’s accountant gies out a lots of tzedakah money checks. Without him the checks don’t go out. Is he an important person? yes. Is he as important as the gvir whose money he’s giving out? No.
The soldier is indeed saving lives, and we must have hakaras hativ to the soldiers. But someone learning gives the soldier spiritual ammo to succeed.
JotharMember00646, because when you’re dealing with a terrorist someone has to be shooting a gun. The idea of Torah magna umatzla doesn’t mean you don’t need soldiers. Someone learning Torah properly prevents the terrorist from being successful, but they still need a shliach (ie a soldier) to kill the terrorist. Dovid Hamelech learned a lot of Torah, but he still needed to physically fight wars to be Hashem’s shaliach. There was a whole mob fighting the Romans by churban bayis sheini, but “Im Hashem lo yishmor ir, shav shakat shomer”. During war, Israel’s bus drivers take soldiers to the front. Yet, I don’t hear anyone say one should be a bus driver over a soldier, even though the driver’s role is vital.
JotharMemberRabbi Dovid Weinberger says he took baby wipes to Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L and he always mattired them. But he’s a daas yachid. Other talmidim of Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L say lo haya velo nivra.
JotharMemberThe ones accepted are the Sleek Sensation baby wipes. they have an acceptable for shabbos logo on them.
JotharMember000646, this question is dealt with by the Ramchal in Daas Tevunos and Derech Hashem, and by others as well. The question goes back even further to the Baalei tosfos who died in the Crusades, the Tannaim who died during the Churban Bayis Sheini and Churban Beitar, the nevi’im who died during churban bayis rishon, etc. The answer is that during times of danger and sha’as hadin, even learning can’t necessarily save someone. The Holocaust is an old question, just on a larger scale.
JotharMemberWelcome, Mod77!
Now that we have all mods together, which stylebook should we follow for posts?
JotharMemberClearly you are supposed to like the way the girl looks, and not be repulsed. However, making transient things like looks (how many girls fatten up after 2 kids?) or money (how many millionaires are currently paupers thanks to this crisis?) guarantees you that your love will be transient.
JotharMemberGershon Veroba makes no pretense of composing those songs.
JotharMemberI find it hard to imagine that a video meeting between 2 people who never met could lead to something inappropriate. There are just too many social barriers. If we worry about that, how can we allow a couple to date? There has to be a balance, and the gedolim feel that this is on the right side of that balance.
JotharMemberRav Avigdor Miller ZT”L writes that when he first went to the Yeshiva in Slabodka in 1932, the nearby city of Kovna (of which Slabodka was a suburb)had a bus leaving every half hour on Shabbos for mechallelei shabbos to go to work. By the time he left in 1938, the bus left every 5 minutes. One disadvantage to our way of memorializing Europe is that we think everyone in Europe was frum. This was not the case. Secular Zionists, Socialists, Bundists, and many other “ists” vied for attention with frum Yiddishkeit.
JotharMemberLesschumras, Despite the rishonim you quoted, there was a lot of am haaratzus during those times. I believe the meforshim say that the Chelmnicki pogroms happened because of all the talking in shuls. One thing I do know is that Hashem is the ultimate dayan ha’emes, and no punishment comes to klal yisroel if they didn’t deserve it. this doesn’t mean we don’t mourn those killed. It just means we accept it.
JotharMemberI agree with Mayan Dvash. People actually give more based on the dinner. If the yeshivas could figure out a way to avoid the $200 per couple overhead for the dinners, I’m sure they would have done it. but it’s difficult. People expect opulence. You can get a better glimpse of the yeshiva’s values by seeing how the roshei yeshiva live. Do they live in opulence, or in litvish simplicity?
JotharMemberThere is a machlokes haposkim how one should celebrate Bat Mitzvahs. Swiping from Harav Daniel Neustadt:
Rav Walkin (Zekan aharon 1:6)holds bas mitzvahs are a goyishe custom and should be avoided.Rav Moshe feinstein ( OC 1:104) holds it’s like any other birthday party and is not a seudas mitzvah. The Sridei Eish 3:93 and Rav Avadia yosef (Yabia Omer 2:29) hold it is a seudas mitzvah. However, both The Igros Moshe and the Sridei Eish holds it shouldn’t be celebrated in a shul.
Rav Moshe ZT”l clarifies in OC 2:97 why a girl’s bas mitzvah is treated differently from a bar mitzvah. The boy undergoes a change in his public mitvzah obervance (Tefillin, minyan, etc) and this warrants a public celebration. The girl’s change is in private observance, and this does not warrant a party. I would like to look up these Igros Moshes inside, since the Zohar which is the source for bar mitzvah celebrations would lechora apply to both.
JotharMemberThe Zohar which discusses the seudas bar mitzvah of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai would lechora apply to bas mitzvahs (and, to a lesser extent, tzitzis parties) as well. However, what gets lost is the PURPOSE of the celebration, which is to celebrate the person’s obligation in the Torah, not a “rite of passage”.
Why don’t people make a “bar onshin” party at 20?
JotharMemberThere is a difference between having a lot of guests and having the SAME couple over and over again. One is nice. One causes problems.
November 23, 2009 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm in reply to: Should BMG Have A Say In Lakewood Politics? #824084JotharMemberJAW22, clearly someone there who doesn’t accept the yeshiva’s authority over them will have no problem voting against the yeshiva’s interests. The question in this thread was “should they have a say”, not “should they have the only say”.
JotharMemberJAW22, I’m in AGREEMENT over the strong foundation thing. The Torah says it. Having other young couples over when the marriage hasn’t been solidified goes AGAINST that.
JotharMemberJaw22, the Torah prescribes that during shana rishona, a husband should spend a lot of time with his wife- “vesimach es ishto”. So this point I can agree on. As for the other points, it’s clear you are posting froma female point of view, one that doesn’t understand males.
November 23, 2009 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm in reply to: Should BMG Have A Say In Lakewood Politics? #824078JotharMemberThey don’t have to toe the line, but they can’t complain about BMG’s influence.
November 23, 2009 2:23 am at 2:23 am in reply to: Should BMG Have A Say In Lakewood Politics? #824076JotharMemberGetzel, nobody likes paying taxes. It’s a necessary evi. but as long as people have hakaras hatov for BMG, many will vote against their economic interest to (ostensibly) further Klal Yisroel’s spiritual interests, which is done by strengthening BMG.
JotharMemberWhen chazal said in Pirkei Avos “al tarbeh sicha im isha”, don’t socialize with wives, they didn’t say there was a chiluk. guys are guys. Oomis, like you have mentioned in a different thread, your husband and you have been married over 35 years. That means you are no longer a young couple, and are are no longer affected by this nisayon. Therefore, your experiences in this area may not be normative for younegr couples, whose broken marriages Rav Weinberger has been trying to piece together.
JotharMemberAzi, there’s a difference between saying klal yisroel has flaws they need to work on and agreeing with every canard posted on an irreligious website. I agree 100% that one shouldn’t be complacent in his yiddishkeit, and that if one isn’t growing then he’s regressing. That’s not the implication of your post.
JotharMemberFurthermore, we live in an immature generation. It used to be that teenagers were working. We have created an extended childhood for them in America. Saying “everyone should mature” is a nonsensical way of solving the problem. The OU has decided that the best way to solve the drinking crisis is to limit the alcohol available. Piling the table full of alcohol and saying “everyone has to be mature about things” is not a solution. Giving someone illicit drugs and saying “he just has to be mature about things” doesn’t solve the problem.
finally, a druggie also has a “communication problem” with his wife. I wouldn’t say a druggie got divorced because of a “communication problem” though. The drugs caused the communication problem, the way Internet, blackberries and too much socialization caused the communication problem. When Chazal tell us “al tarbeh sicha im isha” (pirkei avos), they didn’t say “but the mitzvah of Hachnosas Orchim will be destroyed if we say this!” clearly there are ways to do both.
November 22, 2009 3:01 am at 3:01 am in reply to: Should BMG Have A Say In Lakewood Politics? #824074JotharMemberJaw22, if you move to Alaska, you can’t complain about the cold, as it’s a conscious decision. If you move to Cambridge, Massachusetts, you can’t complain about the outsize influence that Harvard and MIT have on the area. There are many townships in New Jersey with frum communities (Edison/Highland Park, Teaneck, Passaic, Cherry Hill, etc). If you decide to pick Lakewood, then you are picking a town dominated by a 6,000+ member yeshiva, and where many residents are current or former members of the yeshiva. BMG’s influence comes with living in Lakewood. Lakewood is a thriving Jewish community ONLY because of the yeshiva. If you don’t like it, there are many other townships and cities in New Jersey who would love it if frum people moved in. But Lakewood is BMG territory. If you don’t like it, live elsewhere.
JotharMemberAzi, someone I know ( a relative) just made a wedding on the quick because the kallah’s father was very sick with cancer. The entire community pitched in to help make it happen.
People are always looking for reasons to hate Orthodox Jews because they make the irreligious feel guilty just by their existence. We shouldn’t give people ammunition with senseless acts of violence, but the good is quite easily there. If you wipe the dirt and self-loathing off your glasses you will be able to see the good as well.
JotharMemberA rav inviting someone is much different than freshly married couples inviting other freshly married couples over for meals.
November 20, 2009 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm in reply to: Should BMG Have A Say In Lakewood Politics? #824070JotharMemberIf you live in Lakewood, then you face the fact that the yeshiva is the dominant player in the area. You moved to Lakewood due to the Torah atmosphere caused by BMG’s existence. You can’t then go on and criticize the yeshiva for encouraging people to vote in a way that benefits it. Unions do the same thing all the time.
JotharMemberJewishandworking, the problem is that “yetzer lev adam ra mine’urav”. These are outgrowths of that problem. If you disagree, feel free to quote an actual expert who agrees with you. Until then, it’s your opinion against his. His wins due to his multitudes of cases’ worth of experience, along with his Torah knowledge.
JotharMemberJews are hated the world over. Orthodox Jews are the Jews’ Jews.
I do agree that the chillulei Hashem caused by a handful of ***** have soiled our reputation.
But as someone who lives in an Orthodox community full of chessed, Torah, and good middos, lets just say I fully disagree with their comments.
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JotharMemberJewishandworking, it’s not MY opinion. It’s the well-thought-out opinion of a rav who has been dealing with many broken marriages in the 5 towns. In other words, it’s the opinion of someone who should know based on actual experience. If it slaughters some sacred cows, so be it. We have to tailor our opinions to the facts instead of tailoring the facts to our opinions.
JotharMemberI switched to a cloth when I realized that my shvitz made my velvet ones disgusting. Cloth ones are easily washed.
JotharMemberAgain, the rav here doesn’t just know a handful of anecdotal stories. He’s someone actively involved in a lot more than makes the grapevines. You are welcome to disagree, but I’m not quoting him here due to his semicha. I’m quoting him due to his expertise and experience. Unless you have more experience than him in this area, his opinion carries more weight, even from an academic point of view that doesn’t assign credence to Daas Torah.
Here is a selection from the article for those who haven’t read it. Hard carriage returns are an artifact of copying from the Mishpacha pdf:
Rav Weinberger shifts the conversation
to what he sees as the prime enemy of
successful stable family life in the American
Torah community of 2009.
struggle, we have to understand the nature
of the enemy. The Internet is destroying
family life the way that we know it. Again
and again, I see couples in this very office
admit it at first, they blame everything
else, but in time, it becomes clear that
what has undermined the foundation of
their marriage is the sights and ideas that
longer afford to ignore the Internet
many businesses and individuals find it
know, but this I will say. It is imperative
that we openly and candidly admit and
acknowledge the dangers. We have to stop
are working too, and they are also exposed
to a whole new world. There has to be open
each other enough that we recognize the
they have to know who their husband is
socializing with for eight hours a day, what
So many times I have heard from women
longer an option, unfortunately. Women
have to become savvy.
time; if she is at home with her children,
then she should be comfortable enough
in his office to walk in at any time. Even
make it a point to stop by. A woman with
remarkable shalom bayis sat here and told
me that she insists on hiring the personnel at
kehillah, we have set up chaburos where
we openly discuss the issues, we learn the
halachos of shmiras einayim, tzniyus, we
study the hashkafah of it as well. The yetzer
hara is real. We try to equip ourselves
to realize that he is working for families,
not individuals. There has to be awareness
that a girl who is considering a career is
making a very important decision, and
she should discuss it with a Rav or teacher
before doing so. She has to fully understand
the trials and situations that may arise.
These are real issues. If a Rav hopes to be
relevant, he has to face the realities that his
people face each day.
[by
Rav Shmuel Neiman] which delineates the
Rav Weinberger shares a workplacerelated
recollection from his rebbi,
extremely careful about not referring to
women by their first names, which he saw
as a breach of tzniyus. There were some
women who were very close to my family
and me, and I felt that they would be hurt
asked the Rosh Yeshivah. He said no, that
I could not. And he was very normal. He
truly understood the human heart, though,
Rav Weinberger is unambiguous about
are trustworthy and an ehrliche Yid, but it
is still unthinkable to test yourself. A wife
Plain and Simple Training Rav
Weinberger turns to another danger to family
addiction to BlackBerrys and cell phones
can do serious damage to the fabric of a
marriage. If a husband comes home at the
end of a day and, while his wife is talking
to him, his eyes keep wandering back to the
people call me from their vacations and
ask about using the coffeepot in their hotel
rooms. I want to ask them if they asked me
about the appropriateness of their vacation
choice in the first place! Those are the sheilos
this an appropriate place to vacation? Is it
proper to go on vacation along with another
problems come from excessive socializing
with other couples, from joint Shabbos
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