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Astrix, many groups do this kind of thing already.
Hashem is reminding us of the wisdom of creation. How often do you think about why trees lose their leaves in the fall? Now you know the answer- because if they didn’t, the trees would fall down in the snow! By sending an early storm before the trees were ready, Hashem showed what would happen otherwise.
It’s also a bracha in that the hurricane produced a bumper crop of mosquitoes. They’re all gone now. It also put an effective end to fall allergy season.
You can do as you please. If you want to give out private info to someone who is phishing for it, go right ahead.
The high divorce rate cuts across all marriage ages. Koheles says that there is one good guy in 1,000, and no good girls in 1,000. (midrash says there is also 1 good girl in 1,000 but he didn’t want people to start divorcing their wives to find that 1 guood woman) So by that standard, EVERY marriage is a ripoff. Yet we are supposed to get married.
People keep trying to change their spouses, and then they wonder why their spouses are not the same person they married.
I’m not an investigator, I’m not a mod. I just saw obvious phishing attempts, confirmed with a mod friend of mine that this is happening, and decided to put a stop to it. Others here have confirmed that this is an issue.
Tanchuma yisro 10- google search.
great program called “covenant eyes”. you get emailed all the websites the computer goes to. The cellphone provider has parental controls available. call up and speak to them. They can probably send you a list of texts.
Someone who learned tanach, mishna, gemara but never did shimush talmidei chachamim is an am ha’aretz.
lolz! look out for shomrim!
Zeeskite, I wish I didn’t have to do this, and I wouldn’t need to be joined by Charlie hall Kapuste, 2scents, and everyone else. But the fact is that people have had their privacy violated, and someone is actively trying to mine sensitive info here. I am only trying to put a stop to criminal activity, not legitimate activity.
Whether said legitimate fun activity is a good thing or bad thing in halacha or hashkafa is, of course, not in my purview. “Shelo asani mod”…
Did NASI test this with any focus groups before publishing the ad?
And that’s a pitfall of the front page even more than here. There are items on the front page that belong in [redacted charedi LH blog], not here.
Sam2, it’s a machlokes between the Tchebiner Rav and the Chazon Ish, Chazon ish says if you see a speck but a magnifying glass shows it’s a bug, it’s a bug. Tchebiner holds like you. As always, ask your LOR.
Corner vegetable stores have lots of cheap produce, filled with aphids and thrips.
do my posts in taaruvos contain the same propaganda?
Btguy, you raise some good questions.
I post here because I enjoy the thrill of posting something and having people respond. I hate myself for it, as it takes away from doing studying, but it is what it is. I didn’t make the decision to open the CR, but once it’s open, why not participate?
Everyone is free to post how they feel. There are no editors making sure everything is hashkafically correct. The question is, do people understand that when reading the site or do people think everything here represents daas torah? Someone here posted that one of the books of tanach was a historical fraud. This is not an Orthodox view, but was posted here. Do people know this when they read the site?
As for “blending” and my crusade, I am not a crusader. My vigilance goes as far as the mods allow it to go. They can ban me from the site with the click of the mouse. If you see me eliciting personal info, feel free to ban me- what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. I mean nothing personal. I bear no ill will towards anybody. I understand that I will be attacked by well-meaning posters for this, and I accept this and am mochel everyone.
Give him food instead.
google cracklins.
mod-80, feel free to politely close this thread.
mishna in the middle of the page- eilu she’oroseihen kebsaram- ohr ha’adam ve’or chazir shel yishuv.
Again, the opening post, from the “I’m new here!” 🙂 to the way the post was worded just smacks of social engineering. (For those who have never heard this phrase, please google it.)It’s pitch-perfect. I’m not saying Wonderstruck isn’t real. I’m just saying if I wanted to elicit information, this is the EXACT post I would write- a smiley face, a reference to a best friend and a compliment playing to people’s egos to get people off their guard. As someone who has studied security, reads articles on social engineering hacks, and has friends who suffered from previous social engineering expeditions here on the CR, I’m vigilant. If some teenager gets hurt ch”v from info posted here in the CR, the resulting publicity will probably shut down the CR and ywn. Do we sit back and let it happen?
it’s on daf 122a in maseches chullin.
mevatel issur lechatchila- I believe the shach allows lach belach.
fatty and lean meat- Not sure where, but a long shach, taz, nekudos hakesef, taz mahadura tinyana on it.
Gelatin-
Reb chaim Ozer was one of the mattirim, along with Rav Yechezkel Abramsky. Feel free to read thru is and summarize the key points for us baalei battim, especially if he clarifies if dry bones or even wet marrow-filled bones, length of time for processing, and any indications if pig skin would be different or if he would agree to the yabia omer.
Sam2, this is literally what they call toeh bedvar mishnah. BTW ohr veharoteiv is one of my favorite perek names in shas- “skin and sauce”. Still not sure what the hava amina was- if everyone eats it as a snack, it’s clearly not achshevei. Leather boots are only eaten in cases of seige, but people WANT to eat pork rinds- it’s a booming business. clearly food.
And even in a brisker lu yitzur world that the pig skin itself was muttar (which it’s NOT, the cracklins are fried in lard.
Shmoel, hiskosheshu vekoshu.
He left once before and came back.
Also mods, please change the title to mefacheid tamid- meing mefaked tamid means you are commanding all the time.
Hi wonderstruck. Unfortunately, there is a stalker who reads these posts and looks for private info, so introductions, especially in this post-Kletzky world, are a bad idea. Feel free to read old posts and u get a sense of who is who, although the stalker is known for switching screen names rapidly. Mods, please close this thread.
If you did your due diligence, then there’s nothing to worry about. Lo nitna hatorah lemalachei hashereis. As long as to a trained eye it’s not a bug, then halachically it’s not a bug.
And thank you for the incentive to dust off the old Taaruvos. Brought back some memories.
yitayningwut , I was just addressing this thought from Sam2, in case someone wasn’t following my long cut-paste post:
I would assume though that skin is inherently inedible and that we would just say Achsh’vei by skin eaten in certain ways. Who knows? Maybe pork rinds are actually Kosher? That would be an interesting thing to think about
The question is more relevant now that the CR has been up and running for a while- continue or shut it down? That might also depend if people agitate against the cr here like they did against other frum news sites like [redacted] to get them in cheirem.
As this is a complicated shaila, it’s best left up to a rav, not the denizens of the CR. But, like all other weighty issues of the cr, it will end up being debated by the denizens of the cr.
just to make it clear in a separate post, pigskin is halachically edible based on a mishna. pork rinds are treif gamur.
Does posting under 2 different sn’s count?
Divrei torah is the same issue, actually, as divrei halacha. someone could post a dvar torah that is complete apikorsus, and it could get past the mods.
Obaminator, my answer to drudgestein is “ask your rav”. My own netiyah is to shut it down completely (stalkers, apikorsus, socializing, etc), but as mentioned in Taaruvos thread I’m just a balabos. Plus, I have a negiah that I sometimes waste time here instead of studying parnassah skills. So my judgement is faulty.
So I leave that question for those greater than me. Could be his rav will say “it’s not a michshol b/c everyone knows this place is bittul zman”, and it can stay open as before.
The Netziv shut down his yeshiva rather than do something which he felt compromised the sanctity of his yeshiva. If his Rav agrees with me, will Drudgestein have the courage to pull the plug and lose sticky content?
If ideas presented here are a michshol, then the whole Coffee Room is a michshol and should be shut down. Otherwise, it must be censored to never allow anything more than recipes and divrei torah.
yitayningwut, I believe it’s based on that it’s a davar maamid, so it can never be batel. It does add a smooth texture to products, which is why it is used. In addition to your sevaras, it’s at one point nifsal me’achila, and you can say panim chadashos. you and your rav are not to’eh bedvar mishnah (a ch”m phrase). Yabia Omer agrees. Even Reb moshe ZT”L, who assured gelatin from treif sources, held that kosher gelatin is parve. So you can’t say it’s meat.
In regards to carmine and gelatin, the mainstream kashrus organizations follow the machmirim, but you can definitely make a case fahkert.
Let’s change this question to be: Does having a forum on a yeshivish site where everyone is free to post whatever they feel like it as long as it can sneak past the mods a good idea? A few years back someone said one of the books of tanach was a historical fraud, and it got past the mods. So assuming the answer is yes and caveat emptor, having a halachic discussion is no worse than anything else on the site. In fact, it’s better because people can’t be manipulated into posting private info like they can on the “socializing” threads, and many members of the CR are excluded by nature of the discussion. Nobody is going to CR coffee room for halacha lemaaseh instead of to their rav.
bones- I remember them being assur medirabbanan, but I’m not holding enough.
I see from the following links that my memory is based on the shach who holds that bones with a bit of moisture in them are still assur.
The following article agrees (mods plz let it thru thx):
http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/5467
Also quotes a mishna that pigskin is considered fully edible and is a treif meat product. Chicken skin is regularly consumed as well.
The following star-k article quotes the shach that only completely dry bones are muttar but any moisture in them is assur:
http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-palate-gelatin.htm
Here’s a good swipe from kashrut.com and by Rabbi Zushe Yosef Blech:
[It is beyond the scope of this article to delve into the details of the gelatin controversy, but a brief synopsis should help the reader understand the basic issues involved. Rav Chaim Ozer zt”l wrote a famous Teshuva, in which he permits gelatin based upon three considerations: (a) The hard bones from which the gelatin is produced are not considered meat, (b) because gelatin is considered a new product totally dissimilar from the original starting material (Ponim Chadashos), and (c) because gelatin is rendered inedible for a period of time during its processing (Nifsal M’Achila). The three authorities mentioned above, however, reviewed the matter and rejected this opinion for the following reasons: First, Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Aharon Kotler both held that bones from non-Kosher animals are not Kosher. Further, the argument is essentially academic since, even according to this approach, the bones would have to be completely clean, dry, and without marrow. Bones generally used for gelatin manufacture may have meat and marrow on them. In addition, most gelatins made today are produced from skins, which are not subject to this consideration. (Indeed, the Talmud (Chullin 122a) considers pigskins to be edible meat, and one need look no further than the snack section in the supermarket to note “Fried Pork Rinds” as proof!) As to the second consideration, the basis for the concept of Ponim Chadashos is a Rabbeinu Yonah, an opinion questioned by many authorities. Rav Moshe Feinstein further holds that Ponim Chadashos only applies to an Issur Yotzeh (an excretion from a forbidden animal) and not to parts of the animal itself. In addition, Rav Yechezkel Abramsky zt”l argues that gelatin is not even a “new creation”, but merely an edible extract that had always been present. As such, the concept of Ponim Chadashos does not apply according to these Poskim. As to the third consideration, the status of non-Kosher food that is Nifsal and then returned to an edible state is a longstanding question amongst the Poskim. Both Rav Feinstein and Rav Henkin rule that the matter remains a Safek (an unresolved Halachik issue), and one must therefore be strict in its regard. Rav Aharon Kotler argues forcefully that such material remains prohibited, and cites several additional reasons to prohibit gelatin. One is that since the processing of the gelatin was done with the intention of creating an edible product, the rule of inedible foods does not apply at all. Another is that even if the material would still be considered inedible, eating it intentionally would still be prohibited (Achshivay). He further argues that since gelatin is used to improve the food into which it is mixed, the fact that it itself may be inedible is of no consequence. It should be noted, however, that other authorities, notably Rav Tzvi Pesach Frank zt”l, and yb”l Rav Ovadia Yosef and Rav Eliezer Waldenberg shlit”a permit the use of regular gelatin based upon one or more of the above arguments. On the basis of these opinions, the Rabbanut in Israel does allow the use of certain types of gelatin produced from non-Kosher sources (primarily from dried bones). However, none of the Mehadrin Kosher certifications in Israel allow the use of this product, and the Rabbanut itself requires that products containing such questionable gelatin be clearly labeled as “permitted only for those who allow the use of gelatin”.]
They are made from pig skin which is edible, and even more common in New York for eating than squirrels (which are a big rural delicacy):
Pork rind (known and invented in the United Kingdom as pork scratchings[1] , as a room-temperature snack, or crackling, served hot as part of a meal, and in Australia and New Zealand as pork crackle/crackling), is the fried or roasted skin (rind) of a pig. Frying melts most of the fat from the pork rind. Uncooked pork rind may be used as a fishing bait, or cooked with beans or stewed vegetables or in soups.
Bones- even though bones are indedible and not considered treif (unless they’re small and contain marrow) they are still assur to eat medirabanan.
This thread is bittersweet… it brings back memories of the time when I was holding in these sugyas [redacted] years ago when I was sudying for semicha in [redacted] instead of being a working balabos.
Strawberries- your heter of not having intention to be mevatel wouldn’t work by a frum company. The most recent kashrus kurrents had something on this. Apparently this is big machlokes between the star k and the ou. I need to read through it.
At any rate, I had time this morning to pull out the old Friedman yoreh deah babab-taaruvos and look it over again
What is the case that we DO allow bittul issur lechatchila?
Before gelatin, a davar hamaamid, started being made from edible pig skin, it was made from treif animal bones, which are still assur. Yet, many chashuve poskim allowed gelatin (Rav Yecheskel Abramsky et al). What would their sevara be?
(note: yabia omer still allows gelatin from pigskin)
3 pieces of meat, 1 fatty 2 lean. 1 is treif. Is this min bemino or min beshe’eino mino?
What is the heter of bittul berov? Is it that the piece of meat is still treif but mistama we go by the rov? or does bittul berov turn the treif into kosher?
Out of your range (it’s in 110) but a layup for those who did it- are you allowed to come up with your own sfeik sfeika?
What is the differences in halacha between berya and chaticha hareuyah lehiskabeid in when they lose their status?
Remember to post as many personal details as possible so the stalkers can track you down.(disclaimer:not)
This is a hot-potato question and very current- can a Jewish company make strawberry jelly out of unchecked strawberries? What are possible factors to permit/forbid? What if they were washed but not guaranteed clean?