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The Minhag of Las Vegas is that we do not know the proper night to observe Nittel, and that it could be any night of the year.
Therefore every night is treated as Nittel.
They do not hold of Nittel ending at midnight.
They also have a Safek (doubt) whether the time is when it is night where you are or when it is night in the middle east.
There remains a few hours each day in the spring and summer that can not be Nittel, but they are afraid that one might start learning and get too engrossed and not stop in time.
Hence, the casinos are kept open 7-24-365.
A few were found to violate the last Takanah, and actually calculate those few hours and pull out Gemaras then. To stop that they banned clocks in the casinos!!!
Tachanun has several unusual rules that make it less like the rest of davening and more like the reading of the Torah that requires a Minyan of 10 and an actual Torah.
It is omitted in a house of mourning. The leaning aspect is omitted if there is no Sefer Torah. The 13 attributes portion in Nusach Sefard requires a Minyan.
Perhaps these above rules may point to a characteristic that supports the custom of not saying it after sunset???
One issue I heard is if the repetition of Shemoneh Esrei finishes after either sunset or some minutes afterwards, not to say Tachanun.
What is the most prevalent custom?
How do we know if the Troll is even Jewish?
Zevulen comes before Yisaschar. And Zevulen must be willing.
Those most serious about harbatzas hatorah actually make a point of taking the necessary courses, so they can teach Torah in the most professional way.
A relative of mine used to come to Ner Israel to give such courses on site.
Like the white clothing of the High Priest, it has come time to take the white shirt(s) of this thread and stash them away.
<Look the Din of “yehareg vi’al ya’avor”>
The hard right uses this term as a call for zealotry, heroism and sacrifice.
The real message of this concept, is that basic morality must come first in Judaism.
Degrading other human beings and stealing their money, even for the most lofty spiritual purposes is never allowed.
When an enemy committed to our destruction arises, then men and not women must rise to defend us.
Kosher money must first be earned and willingly given before full time learning can occur.
“Just curious, do you also wear a light blue shirt to weddings?”
No.
Remember only white shirts can get Tzaraas.
The shirt I have on is too “white” for weekday wear and not up to snuff for Shabbos and weddings.
I bought this shirt before I was aware of DaasYochid and Derech HaMelech.
Health, are you saying that men have no obligation to reduce the need for and pressure on women to serve in the army?
Health, the men serving in the army is to reduce the pressure on women to serve and avoid the “yehareg vi’al ya’avor” situation in the first place. (Toi has it wrong with the word “yaharog”.)
The wealth I talked about is what allows the possibility of “Kol kevudah bas melech …”. We never expect women to starve themselves if they cannot find a husband to support them.
We are getting far “off thread”.
Last week I argued against extending military style regimentation to our communities, and now it is about “women in the army”.
In general the more men can step up to the plate and serve in the army when needed and use their individualism to create wealth afterwards, the easier the ideal of “Kol kevuda bas melech …” can be pursued.
“Sure, those communities in which the men only wear colored shirts during the week.”
Anything wrong with that?
About a year ago I had an important business meeting and made a point of getting a light blue shirt for the occasion to avoid using a Shabbos shirt.
In some communities white shirts are strongly linked to Shabbos.
Just like each of the tribes early in our history had their unique strengths and vulnerabilities, so do our modern day communities. Hence, a Takanah made in one community will make no sense in another community.
If you raise the income tax rate, the earner can pick him or herself up and move out of state.
Real Estate is stuck and cannot move away to avoid the tax.
I am convinced that those who live in and fit in the Gateshead community are either from the tribe of Shimon or Levi.
From another thread: posted by apushatayid
“About 28 years ago, as a 9th or 10th grader, I heard R’ Chaim Mintz Shlita, speak at the leil Shabbos Seuda in Yeshiva Staten Island. He was giving mussar to “those bachurim who went into the kitchen and ate cholent late thursday night and erev shabbos”…He listed a number of reasons why it was wrong among them, that chulent is a “special maychel shabbos” and should be saved for shabbos, and eating it before shabbos is a zilzul in the kavod shabbos.”
I feel the same way about white shirts.
“if they have any websites?”
A community that has separate hours in their stores for boys and girls is not going to have schools that target bloggers.
RisingSun613, there is now another thread about Gateshead that will shed light on where Gateshead (and in turn any institution within) is within the religious spectrum.
If the intense Kedusha (holiness) of Gateshead is what you want, go for it. But for the typical frum blogger a more “middle of the road” location and school is more appropriate.
The military has a unique mission that requires a high degree of regimentation. Other functions in society require a lack of this regimentation. We would not have the modern society that we know if Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein and Bill Gates had been subject to military style regimentation from childhood onwards. The inventors of the weapons the army uses could only create their inventions in a setting much different from that in the fighting core of the army. Highly regimented nations have had to relax their regimentation when their economic sponsor cut off aid.
What scares me is that so many in this Coffee Room are so fascinated with military style regimentation, and want to extend it to the entire community. For a community to be self sufficient economically, regimentation needs to be relaxed.
Both are needed.
No one institution can meet everyone’s needs.
Making a decent Kosher money living without post high school education is very difficult nowadays.
Sam4321 brought down a Teshuva from Rabbi Moshe Feinstein from 39 years ago pointing out pitfalls in secular colleges. Since then, the pitfalls have probably grown worse, but also the economic need for post high school education has increased.
1) Klei Kodesh are those with actual specific community responsibilities, with teaching Torah being the most typical. They dress out of respect for those responsibilities, not to advertise personal piety. Even the best boys just past Bar Mitzvah are not Klei Kodesh. edited
2) If one dresses in same colors on Shabbos as during the week, unless you see them both during the week and on Shabbos, there is no way to tell whether they are dresses LeKavod Shabbos or just because they have a large clothing budget.
3) Black Tie events are not that common even for the wealthy. Formal dress is generally worn in honor of the Bride & Groom.
Where everyone dresses as if they are Klei Kodesh, and on weekdays as if it is Shabbos, I get confused.
And when Klei Kodesh dress as if they are not, and others on Shabbos dress as if it is Chol, I also get confused.
“Isn’t the 1950’s when everybody in America was wearing hats?
Why are you making things up?”
They were not Yeshivish Black Hats.
“non-colored clothing”
Does that mean either black or white?
“When to buy 1st black hat?”
When you get your first appointment as a Rosh Yeshivah.
<That was the custom in the 1950s.>
A little off thread:
But this thread (white? colored?) has lead to OC 53:18 and created this question that has been bugging me:
“If you see the raid on the amud you’ll notice that they explain that their is an inyan in wearing all white, only that we should not be makpid on it over davening for the amud when the tzibbur wants that person. “
How do we have the Leader of the Mussaf when we pray for rain and dew and also on the High Holidays wear white, if in insisting on wearing all white by the leader of services became an idolatrous practice?
The Yankees may be Darth Vader, but calling NYC Sodom is over the top…
“Mashiach”
A “g” is missing.
Otherwise:
a) Prove you are from the House of David;
b) Obtain a white donkey;
c) Fulfill the 5 requirements specified in the Rambam Yad Chazakah.
?? ???? ?? ??????
can mean not to change from the past whether to be more like everyone else or to be more different from everyone else.
yitayningwut,
All innovations are going to have sources to rely upon.
But with too many innovations in a short time, you will leave a lot of us overwhelmed by the changes.
“There’s other factors as well. I think another big factor is that people used to be driven. They were self motivated to achieve to learn to grow to become. I don’t know what percentage of young people live with that fire today. There are very few.”
You are correct on these points.
In the past, full time learning was only for the highly motivated. Now with every boy being pushed into full time learning you are going to have a majority that are poorly motivated.
Having multiple options for our sons will greatly improve the motivation problem, and also the financial situation of our community.
I brought OC 53:18 to show that historically we have not had a uniform dress code.
I can bring other sources to show that we have adopted local dress customs.
The recent Yeshivish dress code has to be considered an innovation. Lakewood in the 1950’s did not Bochurim wearing Black Hats.
I am not against all innovation, but the overall pace of innovation from the right has been quite rapid.
With a poster called “lovinghalacha” it comes time to bring Orach Chaim 53:18 back on the table.
From it we can see that we did not fix how those who lead davening should dress. You can dress in either white or colored clothing. However, other religions did fix a requirement that only white be worn. Hence, if someone is asked to lead services and refuses because he has colored clothes on, he creates a cloud of suspicion on himself for that prayer only.
Our over 2000 year Mesorah is not to be particular about what color a would be leader of services dresses in.
I believe 80 is now posting under a different number.
11. A good moderator slows down speeding neutrons to allow the nuclear reaction to proceed.
12. A good moderator does not absorb neutrons.
“called ?????.”
If you do not learn how to earn money in a Kosher manner, you are headed for a steep cliff both materially and spiritually.
Is he emotionally ready to live out of town?
Many boys are not.
Torah U’Madda has many meanings.
What I would like to see is a good definition of full time learning.
I would like to see full time learning reserved for those whose diligence matches those in other serious professions such as medicine or law.
The only cave Rabbi Lamm was referring to was the cave of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai (RSBY).
The cave of RSBY was a major theme with Rabbi Lamm from many decades back. I found a paper by Rabbi Lamm about RSBY and the cave from 40-50 years ago.
From a more recent writing by Rabbi Lamm, he believes everyone should spend at least one year in the “cave”. I personally disagree on this specific point.
In 1994 IBM gave up the White Shirt, and it then pulled out of a nose dive has done quite well since then. Too bad I did not buy IBM stock in 1994.
No matter how spiritually intense a community outside Jerusalem is, it never encompasses all of Klal Yisroel. Hence, it only has the status of a Bamah. (Only actual offerings are prohibited at a Bamah.)
Only Jerusalem which addresses all of us can have the status of Mikdash, and only it can be called Ir HaKodesh.
The Ir HaKodesh had to address all of the Jewish people. During the 3 times a year we all went up to Jerusalem, all of us were considered Chaverim and reliable. One of the components of the Ketores (incense offering in the Temple), Chelvonah – galbanum (70/368 of the overall mixture) represented that the sinners had to be included in the public prayers. The Temple also addressed the entirety of humanity with the 70 bulls on Succos. Anyone could bring an offering.
“in gemoro times already the talmidei chachomim would wear special robes and turbans to identify them as such”
Many years of learning and mastery preceded them wearing such clothing.
“to supporting the perception of a higher madrayga”
Dressing to advertise how holy you are is a new phenomenon.
By having the Mitzvah of learning open ended, much more enthusiasm for actual learning can be generated.
Nothing kills the excitement of a class more quickly than by making it mandatory.
With taxes, every pays exactly what is owed, not one penny more.
“Also during Malchus Chizkiya.”
They had the booty from the defeat of Sancherev.
About 15 years after the fall of Sancherev, Chizkiya passed away, and we had (probably) the steepest spiritual decline in history.
Moshe and Yehoshua, on the other hand, presided over a more successful transition from living off the Maan to fighting for and then working the land. Perhaps Moshe’s harsh speech when two tribes sounded like they wanted to wiggle out of military service helped.
Torah Vedaas
Actually with time television has got worse, but getting post high school education has become more critical for most ways of earning Kosher money.
“College” can mean 4 years of directionless liberal education, or it can mean a strong professional (or pre-professional) training.
Real Torah has to based upon Kosher Money.
“if you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
That is not an option.
Torah was given to an entire nation, not to a small pious sect. Any Takana that the majority of the full nation can not live up to is not binding.
In any serious profession, the bar will be set such that most of us can not meet it. The Torah standard can not be that, as all our children are bound by it.
For example, most guys can not sit and learn full time on an ongoing basis. If that is set as the standard, most will either deceive themselves that they are actually learning full time or give up and go OTD.
Does the feather have to come from a Kosher bird species?