“not accept the legitimacy of the Israeli government”

Those who cannot accept the State of Israel as a Fait Accompli are mechuyav (obligated) to move immediately to a highly insular Orthodox community outside of Israel.

A major factor in the survival of Torah Judaism has been the acceptance of the reality of the government in power and then negotiating the best possible terms to insure survival of the Torah community.

EarlyhHistorical examples are: Bavel, Alexander the Great, Hordus, Rome

My best understanding is that there are too many Pizza shops for a single Menahel to cover his own students. They will not want to take guys who might otherwise be learning. Hence, they will recruit YWN Coffee Room bloggers.

There are 48 prerequisites for acquiring Torah. One of them is Simcha (joy of life).

On the day in which joy is removed, 9th of Av normal learning ceases.

Also, most people need some down time to re-energize themselves for future accomplishment.

Selective high standards of frumkeit that are only imposed upon the weak (high school students who can be expelled) will be a cause for rebellion.

“and normal parents can hold extremely high standards of frumkeit”

Only if they fully live by them themselves.

WIY, we both like pizza, but you like your pizza with a strong cup of Ka’naus.

Some policies have an effect to winnow out those who are not totally devoted.

Is our goal to present to Moshiach a bare Minyan of the totally dedicated and leave everyone else behind?

The concept of the Few, the Select exists and can be energizing for some, but it is not a Jewish concept.

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Yes we can!!!

It is called Neshama Yeseirah.

It is Erev Shabbos. Let the Cohanim rest in peace.

It is this new religion of Anti-Zionism which creates a thick cloud causing otherwise G-d fearing Jews to be unable to see much of the positive that G-d has done for the Jewish people in the last 65 years.

The Torah does talk about “kochi v’otzem yadi”, but not in the way the hard right Kanoim talk about it. They equate it to Baal Worship. The Torah follows thru that we must realize that our strength comes from G-d.

Some of the posters in this thread have such an intense hatred of “Zionism” that it inevitably results in disrespect for those who died in the Holocaust.

Throughout history many practices of in the way of honor “derech kavod” have arisen far away from the Torah world, such as the dressing in a suit and tie for respectful occasions. The Torah world has then embraced those modes, and are among the most diligent in dressing respectfully.

The “moment of silence” has now become a very important derech kavod in the eyes of most people. Any lack of respect during such a moment tags the individuals and their families and their community as being brazen – azuse panim.

“If my wife doesn’t mind, why should you?”

Yes, if she fully and willingly forgave her claim.

She needs to be fully aware that the normal Torah expectation and the general practice of Jewish men for 3000 years has been to support their wives, as is mentioned specifically in the Kesubah. This awareness of normal obligations and your special request for forgiveness has to come before the engagement. Otherwise, it is a forgiveness under pressure.

Then the future children, still need to be provided for. Hence, besides the forgiveness of her claim of support; she has to take on the obligation of supporting the children she will bear.

If he comes to the Chupah with a several year committed Kollel or graduate school stipend; with the understanding that after the several year period he will take a job as a Rebbe or professor; then he is supporting the family. She just has to accept the lower standard of living that a Rebbe or professor will provide vs. someone in a lucrative profession.

We learn the laws of Succos 30 days in advance. This gives people time to acquire the Lulav & Esrog and build the Sukkah.

We teach our sons the language of Kosher money and computational skills from an early age so when he is ready to get married the Kesubah will not be false words.

Comes Succos and you have not prepared, you cannot steal a Lulav, Esrog and Sukkah to do the Mitzvos.

This thread is about what to do when the time to marry comes and you have not prepared.

From 11 years before the first Destruction to the present day, Torah Judaism has survived by recognizing political realities. The realities have been Bavel, Hordus, Rome in earlier days. It has now been 65 years, longer than the Bavel era; and we have a Coffeeroom full of supposedly frum Jews who have not accepted the reality of the Jewish State. They need to quietly leave, and not say anything that will make it worse for the Torah Jews who remain behind.

Actually I want to see the “lucky” full 12,000 all lifted out of poverty. Most well integrated into the Israeli economy and the others as a well supported modern version of Shevet Levi.

No one should have to serve a 40 year enlistment in Nachal Anyyim (ranks of the poor).

One can learn the Tractate of Shabbos and then state that he personally finds the opinion of Rabbi A more understandable to him, even though that Halacha follows Rabbi B. This way we are allowed to think, but do not end up with over one million versions of Shabbos.

“the enemy came to attack”

In such a case the exemptions do not apply.

I have learning about the Lechem HaPanim (Show bread) in the Temple. Even though miracles occurred with it, we had to make every effort to prevent it from spoiling.

shmedrick,

Stop posting for several reasons.

I will give only one:

By posting and representing yourself as a full time BMG learner you weaken the impression we have of the intensity of Torah learning going on at the flagship BMG.

Now we need to get back to the thread – the job fair:

“it makes Mafteach a machshir in shmad r”l.”

Shmad is a powerful word and it needs to be reserved for the likes of the Czar y’s and the infamous 25 year draft.

In the old days offering those who had Torah knowledge opportunities to make a living was considered among the biggest chesed acts. There was no worry about Bitul Torah.

But in the new “torah” of the Nut Kase community Schnorring is always frummer than Working.

“they are on-record as protesting the pending zionist takeover of the Holy Land”

Unfortunately, their protests joined with the Arab protests led to extreme limitations on immigration. That later led to less Jews being able to escape the Nazi Death Machine.

“needs to talk with your father about doing his share”

Torah begins with basic Mikrah.

Who does the Torah obligate to support the wife?

Happy is one who is in a well respected profession.

Woe to one who is in the profession full of Schlemazels, Schlemiells and Shmendricks.

Forcing those who are not suited for full time learning into Kollel will fill us with losers and degrade respect for Torah learning.

When one who is nebach of these 3 leaves the Kollel, the Honor of Torah Learning is elevated.

When they are more successful in their new professions they are also elevated and no longer “losers”.

For those who equate a “Zionist” economy with the Nazi economy, there is one obligation: Move to some isolated outpost over two miles above sea level and accept upon themselves not to leave until the Melech HaMoshiach directs them to.

Back to the main thread:

The operators of these fairs are addressing those who already want to work, but are stuck waiting for an opportunity. Having people in the Bais Medrash whose hearts are not into learning does much more damage than good.

The reality of late Shabbos in warmer climates or warmer times of the year in mid climates is that we are somewhat sweaty by late Shabbos.

Showering is not an option.

I have a hard time seeing a tie as a dress enhancement over a sweaty body.

Best is to dress respectfully (perhaps a new clean white shirt), but in a way that allows the sweat to evaporate.

“Following the path of your logic you probably would advocate against most yidden moving to Eretz Hakodesh. since it would “dilute the intense kedusha”. “

Per Mishna near beginning of Kelim there are 10 steps of Kedusha between Eretz Hakodesh and Kodesh HaKodashim.

We (including the Kohen Gadol) are expected to live most of our lives within the lower levels.

lebidik yankel, The approach you bring down will help one to see the forest. With normal learning one can be so focused on the details that he cannot see the big picture.

“It is an Ir Hatorah”

It was an Ir Hatorah before people who waste their time in the Coffee room moved there.

Living in the Kodesh Hakadoshim requires requires a much higher standard. Most people actually need the down time in the CR or other Kosher diversions.

Most people should realize that their living in the Kodesh Hakadoshim will dilute the intense Kedusha, and not move there.