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Avroham Avinu was in a world full of Avodah Zarah (idolatry) and all the violence and immorality that flowed from it.
Was Avraham Avinu Lakewood yeshivish?
Ineoui Nefesh, denying oneself pleasures is only a theme on Yom Kippur.
Pesach on the other hand is a Yom Tov during which we should enjoy ourselves through eating as long as we do not violate the prohibitions of Chametz.
Of course we have to live within our financial means and avoid gluttony, even on Yom Tov.
Yesterday I found 8 quite interesting.
The theme is that the Torah is for this world, not the heavens.
And that there is something positive about man’s mastery of this world.
This scheme looks like one that would give a scammer a big payday.
Phoney Collectors and RFID devices would proliferate.
The Organization would not have the resources to check for phoney IDs from several countries.
None of the phoney Collectors will smoke or own homes or cars.
One guy with a bag full of RFID devices will pass thru a shul and clean out everyone’s bank account.
Back to the subject:
“Like demonstrating the desecration of our ancestors holy burial sites”
A rally to defend Jews against those who are out to kill Jews and drive them out of their homeland (c’v) always takes precedence.
Should a woman without a supporting husband stay inside and starve?
The whole concept of Kol Kvuda Bas Melech Pnima has a very important pre-requisite:
Men must take the obligation to support their families seriously.
Every boy must have a plan for providing for his future family whether in Meleches Chol or Kodesh.
“but now you don’t have to wait and ask if it’s really needed”
When dehydration is suspected you always treat first and ask questions later.
What is the first word of the first Piyut added in the repetition of the Musaf Amidah on Yom K’Purim??? Shoshun, very similar to Shushan!!!
Volvie, it is not even noon yet.
Drinking is part of the Seudah.
No one has their Seudah before noon, unless it is Friday.
If you are in Yerushalayim, it is not yet Purim there.
If you are in Bnei Brak, what are you doing on the internet???
Blackberries have replaced talking.
At least the users who are Shomer Shabbos are forced to use their mouths one day in seven.
On erev Yom K’Purim we reach out to our friends and ask for forgiveness.
On Purim we reach out to our friends with Mishloach Manos.
This way they will be more forgiving 7 months later.
Then there is Matanot La’evyonim corresponding to Kaparos which are given to the poor.
On both erev Yom K’Purim and Purim itself we have a major Seudah in the afternoon.
On Yom K’Purim it is the white Kittle to remind us of what the Kohain Gadol wore on Yom K’Purim in the Bais Hamikdosh. On Purim some dress up as Achashverosh and some as the Kohain Gadol.
I wear a Japanese Kimono as a colorful Purim Kittle.
On Yom K’Purim we re-enact the most holy service in the Bais HaMikdosh. The victory of Purim led to the building of the second Bais HaMikdosh.
Daf yomi just started Sanhedrin. They should have started with the eighth chapter, Ben Sorer U’Moreh. After we study the full chapter we can re-visit this topic.
Volvie, I did look up the state by state laws.
For many it is only the parent who can furnish the wine.
The biggest problems with Blackberries and similar devices is not Bittul Zman, but Bittul Guf. In my days we exercised all our bodies playing real active sports. Now all the kids exercise during recess is their thumbs.
Only an irresponsible parent would allow a bottle of whiskey into their home where there are kids that can easily use it regardless of age (and I mean kids as in children and teens).
Back to one of my earlier posts, so I do not scare anyone about Judaism.
The commentaries state the Shulchan Aruch meant a real 9 hours involvement in prayer per day – only for real “Chasidim” – truly pious ones, not your average person.
Perhaps for such a person, a higher degree on inebriation can be reached on Purim without the risk of disgrace or sin.
OK. One day vs. 300 days a year.
The desire for arayos existed before the internet was created and will exist if it collapsed.
The computer is never the real thing. It is a cold piece of metal, not a warm living human being. The computer may also keep us busy and away from real arayos.
The night the power fails there is a big surge in real arayos.
Drunkenness has been a curse on humanity throughout history. With the “vinyard of Noah” the term Vav-yud (oy) is mentioned 13 times.
As Jews through our 3300+ year history we have had a Mesorah of sobriety and therefore participated much less than our fair share in this curse.
Green Police or Mishtara Yeruka!!!
The Audi marketing department has a well developed virtual one and Israel has a real one.
Check it out!!!
Volvie,
The Shuluchan Aruch says you should spend 9 hours a day involved in davening.
There is more support (from the Noseh Kalim – various commentaries) that this means Mamash 9 hours (32,400 seconds), than there is support for Mamash drunkenness on Purim!!!
“that drunkeness is not only permissible but required on that day of the year”
Not the level that leads to disgrace and sin!!!
With unfiltered internet and a sober user there is still the Geder (fence) of daas.
Perhaps additional Gedarim are needed.
With the Geder of daas, at least there is not the pseek raisha (inevitibility) of sin.
With real Mamash (I love that word) drunkenness disgrace is inevitibile.
We are talking about Gedarim (fences) from sin.
When you are Mamash (really) drunk, there are no Gedarim from all sin.
Getting drunk for the purpose of protesting modernity is no Mitzvah.
For Rabbinic Mitzvos, where there is a dispute we generally go with the smaller shiur (measurement).
Those who should not have unlimited access to internet should not have unlimited access to alcohol.
The next question is up what age for both. Perhaps 80.
For alcohol, the bottles should be stored with two locks, one can only be opened by husband and one by wife.
For some of us, Yichud with a bottle is very dangerous.
Noah and Lot were not degraded by the internet.
The Mitzvah of drinking on Purim can be accomplished with the proper Shimirah (protection from excess) in place.
“drinking one day a year can be managed responsibly by many people – as demonstrated by 1,000’s of years of Purim”
Unfortunately, a much smaller group demonstrate the opposite.
The Mesorah is to drink more than usual, not get to the level of degradation.
Drunkenness is worse.
Unfiltered internet can be a threat to Kedushas Yisroel, and even to Tsuras Adam (being a human).
A Drunk has already lost Tsuras Adam.
I do not believe we have a widely accepted Mesorah for real Drunkenness, even for one day a year.
The default position is to marry a working man and no Jewish woman should feel that she is less Jewish because she wants a working husband.
The Torah makes it clear that supporting the family is the husband’s responsibility, and this responsibility is spelled out in the Kesubah every Jewish woman receives.
He who learn in Kollel only does so because of an ideal both the husband and wife share; and then only during the Mechilah (forgoing of one’s rights) of the wife.
For those of us old enough, there is the shoe phone from Get Smart.
To counter this the school needs adopt a “No Shoes Policy” which is easy to monitor and enforce.
But from another old 60’s movie, “The President’s Analyst”, there is the phone implanted in everyone’s ear shortly after birth. Give up, oomis1105, The Phone Company rules!!!
Even an “average” boy by the time he has turned 12 has read enough spy novels to be able to stash a cell phone out of reach of the most nosy Principal, Headmaster, or Menahel.
The “phone” he leaves in the pocket to be confiscated is actually a bugging device which he will then use to listen in on conversations in the administrator’s office!!!
LOL! I love “Get Smart.” -77
Pocket inspections can be circumvented by hiding the phone inside one’s underwear.
Perhaps metal detectors can catch cell phones. If not, full body strip searches or the new “total body scanners” that we hear about being proposed for airports are needed.
Some public schools have metal detectors to catch weapons. The metal detectors work, but give the school a stigma.
oomis1105, some of the “rights” you are so disdainful of are actually Torah values. An actual study of (at least the Mishnayos of) the 3 “Babas”, Makkos and Sanhedrin can be quite an eye opener.
In an insensitive school, even a kid who fully tries to follow the rules can be severely shamed if he or she gets a cold or has any other health issue.
Cell phone policies can be enforced without subjecting kids to shame on unrelated matters.
True, we try to educate kids to focus on their responsibilities as opposed to rights. But a kid will not accept the teachings of the sinfulness of shaming others from a school that shames him or her unnecessarily even once.
“Get over yourselves, kids”
I am 53, but I do remember what it was like to be a kid.
Hashem Is Everywhere: Tractate Makkot Chapter 3 end of Mishna 14
What if the item exposed is a snot filled tissue?
Being shamed in front of 3 of your classmates is almost as bad as in front of them plus 1000 strangers!!!
“It should be done in front of other students”.
I disagree. Humiliating public searches should never be done.
At least no one here is proposing 90 lashes in front of classmates.
In Jewish law, there are occasions for public humiliation, but only after a full judicial conviction. If the penalty of “lashes” triggers additional humiliation such as release of bodily fluids, the lashes are immediately terminated.
Everyone can have embarrasing items in their pockets such as dirty tissues.
If the situation becomes as serious as the life and death situations at airports, then metal detectors need to be installed. For complete searches, outside inspectors and private search areas will be needed.
The cell phone policy can be enforced without destroying the student’s privacy. Requiring anyone to empty pockets in front of others is a tactic of public humiliation.
Even in airport screenings which involves matters of life and death, you can ask for a private inspection. If a school needs to do inspections, then they can bring in an outsider who is not part of the community to do the inspection privately and only report to the administration whether the suspected item was found or not.
“if his policy is no cellphones,he has the right to enforce it”
Even if a policy is valid, not all means of enforcing can be used.
Torah law requires a debtor to repay debts if he has the means. However, the messenger from Bais Din can not search the debtor’s house to see if he has the means.
Perhaps the white shirt should be reserved for Shabbos, Yom Tov and weddings…
This gets critical in the summer in certain cities where it is too hot to wear a jacket or suit.
If you eat chulent during the week, it loses its specialness for Shabbos.
Some people need to wear white shirts for their jobs. Then they need to find another way to make the Shabbos dress special.
Rule number two when crashing an event:
You must know at least some of guests / hosts.
Rule number three when crashing an event:
Know when to leave.
Rule number one when crashing an event:
You must fully conform to the dress code Mehadrim min HaMehardim!!!
“Tuition breaks are a form of tzedakah.”
The higher the full tuition amount, the less bizayon it is to apply for a scholarship.
Hence, some schools set tuition so high that the bizayon is very minimal, so that no one is inhibited from applying to the school.
Fortunately, no one remembers the original lyrics for the tunes that we sing Tzur MeShelo to.
Sarah, I also remember the same corruption of Asher Bara. There must be a 600KiloBear in every generation.
Jothar, your Rosh Yeshiva ZTL was definitly staking out a much more moderate position than the Original Poster of this thread who has since stopped posting.
I am comparing the bizyonos of publically begging with the bizayon of the naarah ha-amorasah from which Torah commands us to save her by all means necessary.
Just as we must protect our daughters from the bizyonos of arayos, so must we protect our sons from the bizyonos of a lifetime of publically begging (G-d forbid).
Both “Lakewood” and YCT come across to me as being too innovative, although in opposite directions.
“I have yet to hear any rav of stature suggest otherwise.”
The Yeshiva you refered to above decided that the bizyonos of real welfare was too much.
The bizyonos of actual begging either door to door or in shul are even greater.
The reason why Arayos (immorality) are so stringent is because of the associated human degradation. The term used in the Gemara regarding such matters is “Kalon” (degradation).
“Does anyone else care?”
No
The potential damage of trying to address this problem (even if it is indeed a problem) is far greater than the problem itself.
Bans have an enormous demoralizing effect.
Pashuteh Yid, this thread is out of character for you!!!
Goral in the Torah is for land as you mentioned and goats, not for women created in the image of G-d.
The wrong match and it is La-a-za-zel, over the cliff!!!
The Yeshiva you are describing wants Torah without Bizayon (disgrace).
When someone is forced (G-d forbid) to go begging or on real welfare because he was discouraged from “learning a trade” I see tremendous human suffering and an undermining of Kavod HaTorah.
Every boy needs to be counseled separately, and only those who are not at risk of disgrace should be advised to pursue the Kollel path.
Yes, and leaglly I can run for President here.
A few years ago we had a car messed up by someone without insurance.
Where do I sent the bill?
When immigration reform comes up next year we will include a fast track for all YWN bloggers (with car insurance and willing to pay taxes) including Bear.
Rabbenu Gershon Cherem is not going away. Every country that has significant Jewish presense has canonized it into law.
Even when it was permitted the guy had to be rich enough to have 2 houses!!!