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WolfishMusings – Its a machlokes poiskim how to treat IP. Ask your local Orthodox Rabbi.
Someone cannot prevent the dissemination of Torah.
Audio (any) particularly cannot be owned al pi din.
Bus as I said, these things varies amongst poiskim.
mdlevine – You make good points, but your point is a secular legal one, not a halachic basis. Al pi din, there is no concept of intellectual property.
I don’t believe this is typical behavior in our schools.
Expects it to be paid by whom?
The fighting amongst the layman is not what HKB’H wants certainly. Such fighting unfortunately occurs amongst any large group of people, Jew or gentile, Chareidi or left-wing whatever. Its not limited to any specific demographic group. Anyone who tried to convince someone else otherwise, is not seeking the truth but rather most likely on a hate-prone agenda.
As far as fights amongst Talmidei Chachomim, they are usually lsheim shmayim and each one truly believes they are doing what best for the Klal and what the Torah wants.
sweib – You are sadly mistaken thinking that secular music “actually sounds good.” It is pure rubbish.
YWEditor – Just a technical note regarding the Coffee Room:
The usual screen name does not display correctly in the coffee room, if your username to login is different. It will instead display your username (and not the screen name.)
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ is the direct way.
Otherwise some (not all) YW posts will have a link to it in the comments section.
lesschumras – Better for her to overdo tzinius than to Chas V’Shalom under do it.
mamashtakah – a Kol Koreh to ban stupid comments would be better.
sweib, Its no different if he copied goyish music of the 70’s, 60’s, or more modern. In fact the 60’s and 70’s were particularly bad non-Jewish music periods (the trash.)
And why do you exclude something he did intentionally? That is even worse.
Theres a machlokes poiskem about copying. If memory serves me correctly, Rav Eliyashev Shlita holds dina dmalchusa dina does not apply between two Jews (only between man and State), and a voice (or sound) is hefker.
There are other reasons not to copy, especially if you are considering purchasing the CD, as you may be taking business away from a Yid by copying.
Don’t quote me on the particulars above, and ask a shaila first. But that is my quick recollection on the matter, and no more.
besalel, great points. just to add to it, even following the rules, means following the rules. covering the kness and elbows includes in any normal position — walking, driving, getting into a car, going up stairs, windy day, bending, etc. so the length must be long enough to cover all such positions, not “just enough” to work when the person is standing like a statue.
willi, I presume in your comment about using perfume, you are referring to women…
I thought Lipa did teshuva.
Klerr, I’m sorry, but we will need to refer your case to the YW committee on hygiene for failue to twice daily deodorize!
But your daily mikvah habit is a mitigating factor, and so we will all forgive you!
lgbg,
Thank you for sharing that horror story, as painful as it must have been.
One point worth commenting on is that it makes little difference that he was unmarried. Even if he was married, the horror of such a setup would be all the same. The fact that she was married makes this such a horrific situation.
Indeed the entire situation would be unfortunate and unacceptable even if both of them were unmarried, as it would constitute a terrible breach of tzinius. All the more, of course, since she is married.
Thank you lgbg.
Another VITAL point about summer is to remind all to insure that everyone must be give their utmost care in insuring the proper Tzinius befitting and demanded of Klal Yisroel.
lesschumras — NO ONE ever questioned the Yemenites. (The Falusha and Bnei Menasha are different and rightfully highly questionable.)
tzoorba – I’d be just as skeptical of the Ethiopians claims.
The problem will become far larger if gambling comes to the catskills chas v’shalom.
bklynmom: Following half of what he writes will have you look like an aidel bas yisroel.Chas V’Shalom! “look like an aidel bas yisroel”, what could be worse!?
A few of the posts here make clear that THEY are the tzinius problem. Coming and defending the indefensible. Trying to justify the unjustifiable. Attempting to explain away the TZINIUS CRISIS.
Reading above (the few) posts saying the old cliches that “its a womans issue, leave it to the woman”, “men should go away and not look”, etc. etc. reminds us all why it is absolutely imperative for the men to take the bull by the horn and absolutely insure that their wives and daughters are NOT ALLOWED to go outside without full adherence to ALL conducts of proper Jewish Tzinius.
It can be used appropriately or inappropriately. But the general idea could be a good one if properly implemented. It can be used to enforce adherence to basic halachic dictates, such as Tzinius, as unpopular as that idea may be.
Both Tzinius posts are RIGHT ON TARGET!
Tzinius is the affliction of our times and the cause of our tragedies.