Joseph

anon: I was kidding. 🙂

Thanks for the copy and paste permission though.

anon for this:

Statue:

College Act of 1897, P.L. 58-253, 78 Stat. 241 (1897).

Code:

As upheld:

Good v. Board of Education, 429 U.S. 247, 290 (1954).

(I know squeak will accuse me of making this all up otherwise.)

jag – aryeh’s opening and closing statements are entirely consistent with each other.

I apologize to squeak for being overly harsh on him. After he accused me of being a stone-throwing bacon-eating fellow who makes stuff up, things spiraled out of control. I’m also glad he had removed the incorrect reference to a certain institution allowing women dancing.

I hope this brings another smile to his face. (Hey, I love you man. You’re usually even on the right side of things!)

squeak – So the internet is akin to a bacon sandwhich… you oughta make a thread about that! 🙂 And in over a year I only once (twice?) made a play on your laundered comments. So now you are reaaaly stooping there…

I think squeak is still jaded and seething that I brought a Rama (and Rav Elchonon Wasserman ZT’L and Rav Boruch Ber Liebowitz ZT’L and Chasam Sofer and Rashba and Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT’L and Rav Aharon Kotler ZT’L) that puts his academic love in a halachicly untenable position.

Jothar: For the umpteenth time, Parnasa is the exclusion to allow secular studies. COPE is SPECIFICALLY designed for Parnasa purposes.

squeak: You most certainly are incorrect, and I’m sure many can see that besides myself, though that is irrelevant as I don’t much care for the pulse of “popular opinion” as I do for holy words of our Rabbonim ZT’L.

So you are suggesting that a chazer eater (who doesn’t attempt to defend his port eating habits and admits his wrongdoing) who sees rampant chillul Shabbos by people who yell Shabbos is no different than Sunday, should not be outspoken against that? You are incorrect.

“the Rema in YD 246:4 would also ban the Internet and HAM Radio as Bittul Torah.”

Jothar, The only context I could make out of your posting that here, is you mean to say that if you eat chazer you might as well as be mechallel Shabbos as well.

“Women dont have an issue of bitul torah…”

hss – Good question. Reb Elchonon discusses this in his responsum. He says that girls would also be prohibited if the prohibition is due to the affront to Kovod HaTorah involved with college, but if the prohibition is only due to Bitul Torah, it seems he is not certain. His words are:

“If the prohibition is due to Bitul Torah, maybe it applies only to men but not to women, but the truth is, women are also obligated to learn the Halachos that pertain to them in order to fulfill the Mitzvos.

“Or perhaps, even without this reason [of Bitul Torah] it is prohibited to learn secular studies regularly, so as not to give them value like the value of the Torah….”

He does not come to a conclusion regarding this.

(I’ll also note, that no one has brought any Rishon who disagrees with the aforementioned Rama – as there is none. And that is not even considering the Piskei Din issued in accordance with the Rama by Rav Elchonon Wasserman ZT’L and Rav Boruch Ber Liebowitz ZT’L; and what the Chasam Sofer and Rashba said regarding secular studies; and the statements by Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT’L and Rav Aharon Kotler ZT’L condemning college.)