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I believe Bobov bought it.
anon for this, Ask your local Orthodox Rabbi.
mariner, You have have drunk the liberal American kool-aid and don’t even realize it!
Let me repeat something another poster once posted on these boards:
“they are simply like stalks of wheat in the field of Golus, under the influence of whatever current goyish wind is blowing.
they are hardly to be blamed, they were never taught what Yiddishkeit means. They were born in an era of the greatest darkness in the history of the world, but think they walk in light.
they fulfill the Pasuk of “Hoster Hester”. not only is His face hidden, but they dont even know that it is hidden.
remember and use their posts
when Tisha B’Av comes, realize what we have lost, all the light, and try to weep.”
lesschumras,
You made the (false) contentions, you need to back up your words instead of ducking the issue when you have no sources.
We eagerly await your response to Zalman’s four aforementioned points, and the one additional I added.
How could I forget to mention. Tanach itself is quite aged far more than “2 thousand years” and thus surely “no longer applies” to our modern post-feminist “society.” After all, the newer stuff were just “explaining a pasuk” and hence “that was never said in halchic terms”, so certainly the pasuks themselves were “never said in halchic terms”, aside from the point that something this ancient “no longer applies.”
I mean “taking a gemora that explains how to be mekayim the posuk, and using it for a society 2 thousand years after, that is sheer stupidity.” (“Yes, its technically still applicable, but to say its halchic is nonsense.”)
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mariner:
“you people are taking a gemora that explains how to be mekayim the posuk”
I would certainly hope so!
“using it for a society 2 thousand years after. that is sheer stupidity. yes, its technically still applicable, but to say its halchic is nonsense.”
So the 1,500 year old Gemora is no longer relevant? And the 800 year old Rambam is stuff for the olden days? And the 450 year old Shulchan Orach is ancient history? And the other mentioned poskim and mforshim of more recent vintage are chopped liver?
mariner,
In the days of yore a wife working would mean she would work from home, ala the Chofetz Chaim’s wife who had a grocery AT HOME.
“No longer applies”? I’m sorry to say but that sounds like the kind of stuff you’d expect to hear from the Reform movement. Explaining a pasuk? Exactly. And the way Rambam explains it (like Shulchan Orach) is that a wife should be mostly at home. Rambam’s opinion of that is leaving the house once or twice a month. (See the previous page with all the mekoros.)
This ad is rather tame.
lesschumras.
You failed to address Zalman’s 4 points in his two follow-up comments (3 in the first and the fourth above.)
I would also add to provide your source for:
“Once the civil restrictions were removed and Jews could live in the cities, the removal of the shtetl peer pressure meant that THE JEWS BY HABIT GAVE UP THEIR FRUMKEIT.”
You have no sources for these falsity’s since none can exist for an untruth.
tzippi: Yiridas Hadoros.
And I’m sorry to here you would take a case against your fellow Jew to secular court in violation of the Torah.
We are discussing halacha here, not US Tort Law.
Pashuteh, My views of the zionists are not mine. They are the Brisker Rovs, the Satmar Rebbes, and the Gedolei Yisroels. I cannot change what is not mine. My views are subjugated to those of the Torah leaders. If you have any questions or concerns regarding them, direct them to them rather than me.
lammed hey,
You are so off-base, it is mind-boggling. I don’t see one thing you said that is based in an iota of reality.
yoshi: “What are you going to bring up next? whether a girl can even leave her house? Oh wait someone has already brought up that insanely absurd topic. YIKES!”
That “insanely absurd” topic was “brought up” by the Tanach (Tehilim 45:14), the Gemorah, Shulchan Orach, Rambam, the Gra, the Magid Mishneh, the Kesef Mishneh, the Radvaz, Sefer ha’Chinuch, the Minchas Chinuch, the Rashash, the Rosh, the Teshuvos Maimoniyos, and whole host of Rishonim, Mforshim, etc. (See above.)
And do you know what they said about it?
Shulchan Aruch (73:1): A woman should not go outside much.
Rambam (Hilchos Ishus 13:11): A man should prevent his wife from doing so. She should go outside once or twice a month, according to the need.
Gra (4): Hashem did not create Chavah from Adam’s foot, lest she roam too much (Bereishis Rabah 18:2).
YIKES!
Some people only see the good; and some people only see the bad.
lesschumras,
Are you an American first or a Jew first? I am PROUDLY a Jew first.
Per Hagaon Rav Eliyashev, Dina Dmalchusa does NOT apply between two Jews. As I said before, there are other reasons not to copy. But the secular laws are irrelevant in this case.
Yes (based on the circumstances.)
It probably falls under Hasagas Ge’vul, which is discussed at length by the Chasam Sofer. It also may fall under Ze nehene ve’ze chaser, which is discussed in the Nodah B’Yehuda.
I also seem to recall their being specific exceptions, according to some shittos, regarding audio media since a “voice” cannot be protected al pi din. Another thing that must be taken into consideration, according to many poskim, is no one –not even the author– can prevent the dissemination of Torah.
Whats the saying from P1A?
Loshon hora lemonade…
Are you trying to be Hillel and bring about Shalom (not to c’v impugn there is any lack of shalom)? If so Hatzlocho Raba. But the tone of the first post CLEARLY is anything but. So MYOB.
The point is having the internet in the home is akin to leaving a loaded gun on the kitchen counter.
Having the internet in the office, is akin to having a loaded gun on your third shelf.
Goan,
Thank You again. One clarification, I believe the bnei Yishmael was told they could not steal, and they said No. And it was the bnei Eisev who were told you could not kill and they said No.
If you look at history you will find that by the GENTILES their wives and daughters were considered to be a property akin to cattle that they could even kill on a whim. Anyone even remotely familiar with Roman Law, which much of European society was based upon, can testify to this. And it was no less in other gentile societies in Asia, Africa, etc.
By us Jews, we have a noble and glorious history on how we treated everyone throughout our history with our laws and legal system.
Thank You for this beautiful letter! Every word in it is Emes.
TOHIGHSCHOOLGUY,
Taking away business from a Yid.
rabbiofberlin,
So Hungary had a greater survival rate than did Germany.
Yes, no one will disagree with your last sentence.
“I can guarantee you that you will not see a good end to your own life.”
rabbiofberlin, You claim to be Novi too?
Belev Echad,
The quoted Rambam is referring to Besi Din (Jewish Court.) In the aforemention instance, the Beis Din could hit a wife for failing to do her marital duties. THE HUSBAND CANNOT.
anon for this,
Shulchan Orach says that a woman should spend her time at home and be very limited in time outside the home. Obviously the tasks you mentioned that a woman needs to do outside would likely be perfectly fine. Ask your local Orthodox Rabbi for specific questions.
My mouth is watering already.
rabbiofberlin “Pray tell me, what do you want the Klal to do on a Motzei Shabbos?”
I’m sorry to say, but that attitude sums up rabbiofberlin. What happened to a Melave Malka? Not even under consideration! Its movies or concerts!
Feif Un,
Ask them. The posek is eternal.
Wolf,
It isn’t “theft” or “stealing” al pi din. “Intellectual property” cannot be stolen in halacha. There are other issurim possibly, but the issur isn’t one of thievery.
I’ve heard this from more than one poisek.
Juilie,
Follow the Rabbis advice, rather than anonymous internet comments.
Goan Atzum,
THANK YOU!
A groiser yasher koach un ah Gut Shabbos!
…credit to Rav Falk
Pahuteh,
The posuk in Tehilim 45:14 says “Kul kevodo bas melech penima, mimishbetzos zohov lvusho. This means “The prestige of the Jewish princess is her privacy – she stays within the confines of her home; she dresses (at home) in delightful clothes.” Note that this posuk, which refers to modesty of Bnos Yisroel, mentions two points: First, the tznua is predominantly at home, not in the public areas (see Rambam, Hilchos Ishus 13:11). Secondly, while at home she dresses delightfully. Although she is a great tznua, she nonetheless attaches importance to her appearance in the presence of her husband.
cantoresq, BTW the larger problem with Wise was his sabotaging the European Jewry rescue efforts, i.e. his opposition to the Rabbonim’s march in Washington (amongst other examples.)
Did Brand defend Kastner? I recall Brand was bitter about the sabotaging of the rescue efforts by his fellow zionists.
mariner, from RealClearPolitics.
cantoresq, that may be a theoretical possibility but it would require insincerity. And that may, or may not, exist somewhere someplace. But prevalent it is not, as I’ve always sensed sincerity in my dealings with friends and Rebbeim in this inyan. Nor is my experience unusual.
rabbiofberlin, you made the initial contention that German Jewry survived in greater numbers. So I ask of you to please provide any source for that. “As far as I know” doesn’t cut it. The Jewish citizens of Germany who left Germany prior to ’39 mostly went to neighboring European countries, and were affected by the subsequent German invasion of those areas. In fact, according to (Jewish) holocaust historian Lucy Dawidowicz in “The War Against the Jews” (Bantam, 1986), 90% of German and Austrian Jewry were murdered by the Nazis ym’s.
Thank you postsemgirl for your voice of reason and sanity.
Pashuteh: “There is no halacha against looking …attractive”
Inside the home. Outside the home a woman most certainly should not be looking “attractive.” Attracting is for her husband only, and that is accomplished inside, not outside.
mariner: “it s changing thing. yes, we dont believe time changes halacha, but here the halacha is that it changes. that is what was built into the halacha.”
What is your mekor for that?
mariner: “you have no right to tell other people what to do. their rov does, and it is his obligation, and his alone”
And if you see someone being mechallel shabbos, you say that too?
malkylamm: “Modesty an adornment for life by rabbi falk.”
HIGHLY Recommended. A great Sefer.
teenager, apparently we live in different circles. In my Yeshivisha circles as I’ve said, we never heard anything but the most lofty praises for Baalei Teshuvos.
cantoresq, with all due respect, I too have an eyewitness who told me it was far from common knowledge, and in fact the masses lacked the knowledge.
mariner, curiosity. 🙂
cantoresq, What defense, if any, had Brand provided for Kastner?
rabbiofberlin, Regarding your previous claim that the German Jews survived in far greater numbers than others (as some sort of defense), I found this statistic:
Of the 750,000 Jews in Germany and Austria in 1933, only about a quarter survived. Although many German Jews emigrated before 1939, the majority of these fled to Czechoslovakia, France or the Netherlands, from where they were later deported to their deaths.
rabbiofberlin, Do you dismiss the Gedolim as when someone seeks guidance from a Rebbe whether to utilize life support on a c’v terminally ill patient? Do you say as you do above, that he should make a personal decision after speaking to a doctor, and not ask a Rebbe what to do? Do you think as crazy those who do follow the Rebbe’s instructions in this matter? Since, as you state above, you “do not have this emunas chachomim” and “that the biggest Gedolim make mistakes.” You wouldn’t want a Godol to c’v “make a mistake” in a life and death situation, would you?
Obviously you are a subscriber to consumerism, and will or won’t buy whatever suits your tastes.
Are you in favor of importing ANY/ALL gentile music into our midst?
If you are talking about Beethoven, I say profiter de votre musique. If you are talking about Rock or these new age garbage, I’d say see a doctor.
cantoresq, to claim that Hungarian Jewry was well aware of the death camps (and went on the trains like sheep to the slaughter) is patently absurd.
rabbiofberlin, first comment on this page you categoricaly state “when asked, most Rabbonim advised to stay in Europe” before the war. What is your source for this assertion? Especially the “most” part. And specifically how many Rabbonim can you identify allegedly providing such instructions? And what is your source?
And where could the Jewish masses have gone to had they been advised to leave? Which country were masses of Jews able to gain entry to? Are you aware that Mr. Stephen Wise, American zionist (and Reform) leader rejected a British overture to resettle European Jewry elsewhere? (Amongst the many traitorous crimes committed by Wise during the holocaust.)