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I have to agree with truth, that my experience, and I can only talk about my own experiences, have been the opposite.
It appears to me that commenters who start such posyts have an agenda that includes falsley painting Yeshivish people negatively. And that is from my experience.
I see all these mentions of the issur for smoking. Can anyone refer a written psak or teshuva to that effect? I would like to read what is written there.
Blueprints,
I think you messed up your attempt to use yeshivish shprach, what you wrote does ot make any sense if you know what the words actually mean.
Aries:
One can stop smoking cold turkey, I have seen it done. In addition, your comment does not deal with the issur. And just smoking one cigarette does not put some one in danger, it is smoking regularly that is a problem. However, the damage from going on face book, be it loshon hora, rechilus , or one of 3 aveiros ( yehoreg vaal yavor ones)can all happen from just one time on face book.
I cannot say which is a bigger issur and why would it make a difference if both are in fact ossur, however it is plain as the pimple on one’s face where the likelihood of lasting damage can occur from just one use.
As a matter of clarification, venishmartem meod lenofshoseichem is an asay. Vlo sosuru achrei levavichem is a lo sasay.
One time on Facebook has the potential to cause irreparable harm. And each time individually can lead to devorim assurim.
Smoking one cigarette will not do anything to you. It is doing so for an extended period that causes harm.
GAW,
So I did not misread your negativity to those who chose to remain in learning even if they do not suffer punery.
Besides, your “explanation” does NOT agree with your use of the term in your first comment.
BTW, what term do you use for those who work and are irresponsible or those who are in “University” and demand significant support from their families?
GAW,
Perhaps you can explain to me what a “Kollel Bochur” is? You keep using that term. To me the term apppears to be an oxymoron.
I don’t know who these meforshim are unless he is referring to commenters on blogs.
There is halachah pesukah about paying shadcahanim. Apparently, there is nothing wrong with a progessional shadchan.
I do not for a moment believe there are meforshim who talk about “forcing people to go out”. What a transparent load of bunk.
Professionals do a job that others are not willing to do or are not competent at. And no one forces you to use a professional shadchan, you don’t like, don’t use.
Do not make your own shortcomings a universal issue.
I have to thank Wolfie for doing wonderful job of proving my point. It is those who feel they are better then their predecessors are the most anti yichus.
It appears Wolf is willing to take pride what his children/grandchildren accomplish in spite his efforts and yet feels that anything he has accomplished is solely through his own actions.
Wolf, you often say you are going to heck, this could be a real likely reason, lack of hakoras hatov, and kochi veotzem yodi attitude.
The reason why there are no women listed in JP is because of who runs the page.
There is a lot of history there, and you can hardly call the editor objective.
Why do I get the feeling that those who very strident in denouncing yichus are not proud of their family history?
Is there something wrong in being proud of your family history?
Wolf,
I don’t see how the two cases are at all the same. By aveilus there would be an issur to proactively listen to music (For enjoyment). In a taxi or store you are not “listening ” to music although you may hear it.
If this is a case of KI ervah, the issur would not be to listen, it would be to hear.
To make it a little easier to understand, imagine if it were a naked individual, you would consider what you see ervah regardless if you went to look or it was there and you were seeing it, both would be ossur. (Depends on whether a recording of kol isha is ervah, but if it is, then there is a very clear difference from aveilus)
Charlie,
You have got to make up your mind about Dina dimalchusa. In one comment, you treat as the be all and end all and in another you say “well….”.
Besides, it is likely that dina demalchusa relates to the country one “dwells” in. These boys certainly did not dwell in Japan.
And what happened to Y. W. Editor’s contention that 99.99% of what you said was factually incorrect based on specific research he has done. Apparently being a PhD does not mean one can do research beyond a google seacrh.
Charlie,
Apparently you have forgotten the din of haboh bamachteres.
Im zorcha, is if you specifically know that that bo bamachteres will not hurt you.
Most cases were a gun would be helpful would be a case of bo bamachteres, or somone who is actively being a rodef or someone who would be chayiv misa for geneiva.
Chay V’kayom Noira umoroim Vkadosh. ( Its called “shrying chy vkayom” for a reason)
AC,
If I challenged you and you were identified, you would have a legitimate claim. However, as long as you remain anonymous, there is no reason I should ID myself. However, Georgie is identified and thus, it would only be fair for you to identify yourself if you are saying she is lying.
Assuming that what M&H is saying is the truth, and there is now corroborating testimony, why should they not have people speak up for them? Should they stay idly by?
So many of their detractors sought proof because they did not protest sufficiently or that Georgie did not corroborate their claim.
Well now there is both and that is proof that they are lying? Darned if you do and darned if you don’t.
Why must you cling to the notion that they are lying and in the wrong? Does it make you feel good about yourself? Does it support one of your biases?
Your attitude speaks volumes about you.
Much self introspection is called for.
True chillul hashem is the attitude that “these jews must be lying” and shouting about it that is done by others who allege that they themselves are religious jews.
AC,
I am glad that you feel comfortable remaining anonymous while you call someone who has placed their reputation on the line publicly a liar.
Perhaops you should publicly state here your name, number and address while you do.
Georgie’s info is all well known. Because of that she has a chezkas kashrus and ne’emanus that you do not have, nor apparently, deserve.
As in any case where a procedure is reccomended a second opinion is a must.
As far as the experience, one of my children has had tubes inserted more then once. Tubes generally fall out after a year and my child’s eustachean (sp?) tubes had not developed enough after the first set of tubes to allow the fluid to drain quick enough. The concern is that hearing damage can result.
The procedure itself was very quick, there was about an hour after the procedure were we waited for anesthesia to wear off. My child did not seem to suffer any significant discomfort.
There are tubes that are designed to remain in for longer then a year and would have to be removed rather then fall out.
Regular follow up with the ENT is necessary to make sure they are effective.
Cherrybim,
2 points.
How were the couple proven liars?
Why does the “Judge” have ne’emanus? There is very credible evidence that she messed up.
Are you going to admit that you were proven wrong?
You insisted that there is no reason to be dan these people lkaf zchus, yet apparently the judge’s assertions were wrong, so why do you insist that she has nemanus?
You have to clarify which of the catagories listed above you fall.
Cherrybim,,What does the judge have to lose, she did’nt show any proof and the plaintiffs were sent away and she does not have to see them again. There is no “mirsus”.
I do not see why she has any ne’manus at all. There are those who would give her ne’emanus above the plaintiffs because:
A) She is a non- jew
B) SHe presumably went to college
C) The plaintiffs were wearing a sheitel/black yarmulka.
Which of the above is the reason(s) you insist that the “judge” has more ne’emanus?
The chillul hashem was going the show. Whatever occurred or whatever was decided did not make the situation better.
I firmly believe anyone who agrees to adjudicate an issue in such a matter is mechallel shem shomayim. And it would be even worse if it were between two yiddin.
I not sure if I can say it is brabim, because that would assume on TV is considered a rabim of shomrei Torah.
Made a machoh on those that believe that you can divorce kovod haTorah from Torah.
Wolf,
Perhaps you can let us know how you are so sure that your preferences are those of HKB”H?
Is your statement based on any halacha or halachic source?
Charlie,
I see you are enthralled with mother Teresa. So let me ask you, forget Bobby Fischer, how about yourself. Do you feel that YOU are better then the nun? Why?
Mr. WIY,
You say, and I quote, “But I guess that shouldnt surprise me because someone who looks down on their fellow Jews will certainly look down on non Jews “.
So apparently, following your “logic”, you certainly look down on non-jews. (BTW, there is a huge difference with taking issue with an individual’s attitude and taking him to task for it, and painting whole segments with a broad brush.)
So your diatribe was written to yourself, in the true mussar sense “az ich redt tzu zich aleyn”. And that is why you found the article on Revach so mind-blowing.
Irony, thy name is WIY.
WIY,
I dont understand why you would feel it neccesary to point out that “Its blackhearted to paint all non Jews with a broad brush of anti semitism and Jew hatred” and yet at the same time say “Many Jews view non Jews as subhumans. They literally act like they are “nobody.” “.
Apparently you have a bigger issue with a jew painting a non-jew with a broad brush than you do with yourself painting jews negatively with a broad brush.
Can you explain that?
I think I can, but you would not want to hear it.
And it explains the title you chose for this thread, I hardly think anyone’s mind was blown. You just have a mistaken perception that that would be the case.
VDAL
What bothers you more about this then any other luxury a person may
spend on?
What about a person who spends $65,000 on a car rather than $28,000? The difference is much greater. And in all the extra is depreciated in three years, this will retain some value based on the price of gold. What about someone who spends $45,000 on a watch? What specifically bothers you about this more then anything else?
There was a blogger who made an issue of this a number of years ago (This is not a new item) and of course his biggest problem was that it was for something used for a mitzvah. He had no issue with people going on $45,000 vacations or spending $120,000 on a Mercedes. He was making an issue of gaavah in spending this type of money on a mitzvah. The Mercedes is not gaavah, only a becher is in that blogger’s mind.
Well I say, if a person has the money why isn’t better that he spends on something showing chashivus for a mitzvah and will become a family heirloom rather than on stam fleeting gashmius.
Often times the people who make the biggest of issue of this are those who cannot fargin someone or those who cannot tolerate spending on something relating to ruchnius when they can spent it on pure decadence.
Why don’t you link to a jewelery store item?
Most leases have a personal obligor on them or some other form of secuity put up, there are many instances of sublets just for this reason.
Even if your place of employment went of business the landlord would be able to collect.
And, do you really believe that your work puts your company over the top? Or even comes close to doing so?
I am sure Trinity is making quite a bit of income, no different than any other landlord in the city. As far as it being tax exempt income, it depends if there is financing on the property and certain other factors. Even tax exempt organizations are subject to income tax at the regular corporate rates for unrelated income. You may be able to google and see if they file a 990T.
I hve never seen Steinberg give hashgocha on a place that says it is glatt. I have seen it at Ben’s in Syosset or someother such places. Mostly “kosher styled” places.
I wonder what the reaction of Yeshivah Torah Vodaath or Beis Medrash Elyon to his using their names as a way of bolstering his slim ne’emanus.
The lease with the landlord for office space is not contingent on how much revenue is generated by the tennant (As opposed to a lease in a mall). Even if they were to move out during the term of the lease, the tennant would still be obligated to the landlord for the lease payments.
The economic benefit you add to your employer is thus unrelated to their obligation to pay the landlord.
The time spent posting on the internet is not hurting the landlord either, so there would not be any l’shem shomayim in spending lots of time doing that to decrease the benefit to Trinity
SOmehow, I think the original intention of this thread got lost.
the question is, can we be certain that people identifying as reform or conservative are actually jewish based on the level of intermarriage and non kosher conversions. Has the “rov” been lost.
This has nothing to do with looking down on them or loving or hating them, it is trying to determine whather they are factually jewish based on the Torah. Loving them or not will not change the factual status.
Why is there a question what mosherose’s motivation is as opposed to so many of the commenters here? I could list a dozen that seem to have strange or inexplicable motivations. Do you know or even fathom what thier motivations are and what their true identies/ backgrounds are?
Charlie,
I suspect alot of people would much rather accept the da’as yochid of the Tzitz Eliezer than the da’as yochid (baal habos) of Charlie Hall.
I find it especially ironic that you are the one to take issue with what you consider a da’as yochid in light of all your comments and heterim that you post from a da’as yochid or less.
Charlie,
According to Zagat, below is a sample of the menu. Most people who use this site really do not have interest in squid, nor would they eat cheese at the same meal as lamb. Would you care to clarfiy why you would suggest this place? I do have to say that the prices seem fair.
http://www.zagat.com/Verticals/Menu.aspx?VID=8&R=50129&HID=24944
Bombay Calamari Fried Masala squid sauteed with bell pepper & red onion. $6.00
Spinach Samosa Home made cheese & spinach wrapped in a light pastry. $5.00
Meat Samosa Spicy seasoned minced lamb wrapped in a light pastry. $6.00
As long as you realize thatt the any reduction you would get in tutition as recompense for services you provided would most probably be taxable income to the parent and there would probably be a reporting requirement for the school as well.
SJS,
How much is tuition in Teaneck? Approximately? And what type of school.
WHat did you find out when you did your investigation before moving to the area?
Did you get any commitments for any of the schools?
A very good place to start with now would be your Rov. The Rabbonim have been dealing woth the schools as long as they have been rabbonim.
SJS,
The story you post sounds sort of fantastical to me. Most of the Yeshivos in Lakewood do not actually give scholarships or very limited ones at that. But, you never said that the school is in Lakewood, so that may be a whole ‘nother kettle of fish.
I also find it unusual for a person to straight out say she would rather spend the money on luxuries especially in Lakewwod were for the most part people are not living extravagantly. I suspect that it is some indication of somesort of imbalance for someone to straight out say that.
I have a friend who was on the tuition committee of a LI MO school and people earning 300,000 would put in scholarship applications because they would have to take the family to Europe and they had a Mercedes and they were redoing the house. It would drive him nuts since he did without all the years so he could pay full tuition. And it bothered him that the scholarships were awarded.
Oomis,
You response now and before explains why one should be respectful of non jews, even if one does not feel that it is a flaw in his charechter to be respectful of any one. However, it is not a reason to be more respectful of non-Jews and being more respectful of non-Jews is at least as dangerous.
Wolf,
It was Charlie and Oomis who felt that non-Jews deserve preference with which I strongly disagree and apparently you too disagree.
As far as being considered an apikorus, perhaps you should consider rethinking how you present your ideas. Being considered an apikorus is no great banner to wave.
It also reminds me of the story about this old lady in Florid who hears on the radio about someone driving against traffic in the vicinity where her husband is supposed to be. SShe calls her husband and says, Irv, be careful there is a meshuggener driving the wrong way in traffic. He answers her, what do you mean “A” meshuggener, I see hundreds of people driving the wrong way in traffic.
At some point you have to realize that it is not may not be the hundreds who are the wrong way in traffic.
Wolf,
Where did you see either or? The question was why non-Jews more. I said “It is important for a person to have common decency and express thanks to anyone who helps or serves them, but one should not be preferred over the other. “
Perhaps you can inform us why you feel it is important to say everything is apikosrsish? You add that to so may of your comments.
Oomis,
I must say that I do not agree with that as a reason to be give preference to non-jews.
It is important for a person to have common decency and express thanks to anyone who helps or serves them, but one should not be preferred over the other. There is no logic in that.
I believe it is at least as damaging if one gives preference to non-jews. Non-jews will say even other jews prefer us, there must be something right in our demeaning Jews.
It is the same with commenters saying Jews are cheaters, leaches, dishonest etc, that so many alleged jewish commenters spout on blogs. If jews say that about themselves, you do not think non-jews feel vindicated in having their antisemitic stereotypical views?
When a jew voiciferously supports the building of mosques regardless of the circumstances yet will never support a yeshiva or a shul trying to build do you not think that impacts negatively how the non-jews look at our right to build shuls and yeshivos?
And that is before we discuss the negative impact such an attitude has had historically going back to the misyavenim and all the participants at seudas acheshveirosh. And how such an attitude did not help in the least and may even have contributed to the tragedy in Europe.
To sum it up, the disprespect of yidden for others acting as yidden is much more dangerous to the well being of Jews and there is no reason why a non-jew deserves respect more than a Jew.
Charlie,
Why especially non-Jews? Does your Rabbi believe that Jewish people are less deserving of respect than non-Jews? That it is a bigger chilul Hashem to be impolite to a goy than a Jew? That makes no sense at all. Olom hafuch ra’isi.
And for the record, I am horrified by some of the stuff that people post and probably not always the same stuff that you have been embarrased by.
I find very often that those who make the biggest issues on blogs about chumros are the kulah shoppers. They can always find someone who is meikil in a certain issue and thus the machmir or anyone who follows the chumrah is wrong. And this attitude is at least as bad as someone who keeps a chumrah looking down on someone who does not and probably worse since they often will end up being oiver on the halacha. And those kulah shoppers (I am referring to the extreme ones, those who constantly scream about kulahs on the blogs) tend to look for any kulah, even when using a kulah in one instance would be completely contradictory to a kulah they used in another instance. They tend not to have any consistency to their approach to halacha other than if there is some kulah, we will be meikil.
And of course, what determines the greatness of a rov for these kulah shoppers is if the rov is meikil. Denying the truth that very often it takes even greater strength of will to be machmir.
Yes, if you follow a rov (at least if he is not a mechadesh devarim sheloh kehalacho, such as some well known radicals nowadays) and use his kulahs it is appropriate, if you also are machmir when he says it is appropriate. But if all you do is go from meikil to meikil and are not consistent, then it highly unlikely that you are doing anything appropriate.
This is without discussing the “innovators” who do not rely on mesorah at all, their basis for halachic decisions are “feelings” or being politically correct or to try to fit in with the corrupt popular culture.
If the moser is active and endagers peoples lives, then he would have a din rodef.
@oy vey –
You say that you wear tcheiles because your posek tsays you should. I think then, the appropriate person to ask for information relating to tcheiles and specifically why he says you should wear it would be your posek. It does not make sense to ask here.
For what its worth,
I believe the sign language for a jew is moving the hands as if stroking a beard.
The simple answer to that is if those will be an issue to the girl.
Will the supposed cultural differences and the differences in minhagim bother her to the extent that she will always feel uncomfortable? Why would it be different then any other issue which would make a person uncomfortable?
It depends where those items fall in importance of what a girl is looking/hoping for in a spouse.
“WolfishMusings
Shifting from MO to chasiddih doesn’t happen instant, so If you suddenly decide to put on a shtreimel I would say that something is wrong with you”
Rather than figuring that this was after introspection and thought that the person changed what he wears on his head? Every change is sudden, one day it is one way, the next it is different. What do you expect, the person should alternate between a leather yarmulka and a shtreimel so that it will not be sudden?
If I see someone wearing a shtreimel on Tuesday and a knit yarmulka on Shabbos and a painted leather yarmulka on YK, I will know it is someone who is concerned that Wolf will think him crazy.
“So, if I wear a leather kippah or a knit kippah, it means that I have to have certain beliefs and actions?! Are you saying that it’s not possible to wear a knit kippah and have the same hashkafos and actions as a “yeshivish person?”
The Wolf “
If you were wearing a Yankees T-Shirt would it indicate with certainty that you were a Yankees fan and hate the Mets?
Not with certainty, however it would be pretty hard to convice people otherwise. Why would you be wearing such a unifrom.
The same with a yarmulka to some extent. Why would someone wear a kippah serugah if they did not identify with the group that wear kippot serugah?
Why would someone specifically not wear a velvet yarmulka if they considered themselves akin to the black velvet wearing group?
A yarmulka is used to identify a person as a Jew (even if that is not the purpose of wearing a Yarmulka, it is used as such by others). Which yarmulka you use to identify yourself certainly says alot about what type of jew you want to be identified as. To claim otherwise is the same as wearing a team t-shirt and sayong that you do not identify with that team. It maybe so, but you would be hard pressed to make a believable case.
And the yarmulka itself (Assuming that it covers the head and is not initself a joke, i.e. with a picture of Bart Simpson mooning someone) is not better or worse than the next (two layers is a difference though according to many). But each person has to attach themselves to a kahal, individual service is far from the optimum this is but another way of indicating your attachement and belonging with a specific kahal.
I did not bother to read all the comments, I did not find them very stimulating. However, I suspect that the title of this thread is very appropo of the story. I figure the story probably falls into the category of making stuff up.
Charlie,
Would you please provide the name of the prominent American Jewish leader so we can understand waht his comment meant.