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johnkletsParticipant
Why is Trump such a rasha ? did you lose money through him ?
johnkletsParticipantSlimshim, first learn the halachos of what is osur for a ben noach in term of gilu arayes. Second you will not find any politician with Even shlaima. Third this whole question is an obssesion from a Trump hater that cannot stand the fact that he was president of the U.S. for 4 years, even if he now lost the election. I do not know if this is pure Trump hatred or its also self hatred. Zei gezunt.
johnkletsParticipantAll this talk of the media that Trumps non cooporation with the transition is endangering lives and the national security is plane nonsense and shtusim and is not worth to even explain why. The media does that to break Trumps camp, and they are indeed succesful with their brainwashing.
johnkletsParticipantVoting should be only in person with ID as in most normal countries, and in time of covid 19 they could stretch the voting for a few days instead of one day, with a certain order, or find other solution. There should also be organized help for eldery people to come out and vote. In every election – even when voting in person only – there is some fraud, but voting in mail opens the door for unending fraud, and i believe that there was a lot of fraud in this election – organized or not – because of the massive mailing voting. If it would be up to me i would pasken to vote again in all states that are close in numbers for both candidates, and vote again should be done only in person with ID, then we will know who is realy the elected president.
johnkletsParticipantTo opiniated 2
Thank for you detailed reply, in most points i do not disagree with you. Myself i think too that spanking should be only with pants on, mainly because it’s a big hashpala for the child otherwise. But no, i do not need to go for help, my parents were very good and to us and the number of times i got smacks is only about 5-6 times at all and all besides the one i mentioned were light and moderate on the hand or on the pants. Those rare cases of potching was only for chinuch and not for their ego chas v’shalom. As you also mentiond potching should be an option but done rarely, and then it is very effective.
johnkletsParticipantTo Common shaichel and The little i know:
I know this was done out of safety, it is the most safe place to spank. For little kids it was normal to get on the bottom over the pants both at home and in cheder, and in some homes and cheders even bigger kids. Regarding spanking on the raw skin i got once spanked like this at home as i mentioned before and it was very very effective and it is safe. I am sure that it is not acceptable for a melamed to spank a child on bare, but my question was if it is appropriate for parents. I think in the goyishe world where spanking is permitted they do it lecatchila on the bare.
johnkletsParticipantThe little i know:
You did not understand my question. I will also not disagree now about the limited use of corporal punishment, as i think it is needed but only rarely, as i wrote in one of my earlier posts. My question was about those times when it is indeed needed if it is appropiate to spank a child on that particular part of the body where you sit on, according with tznius etc.
johnkletsParticipantOn my question (for those who believe in some corporal punishment) if it is appropriate to spank on a child’s behind i did not get any answer
johnkletsParticipantI think that it is nonsense to say that human nature changed and spanking no more effective, all modern studies are based on a wanted outcome and not on facts. Also i believe that the torah is nitschi and a passuk from shlomo hamelech is not just changed because modern day psychology, as our emuna in chidus haolam is not effected by modern day science
johnkletsParticipantTo RR44
There is nothing more effective then petsh, and because it is so effective if it is given to often it loses the whole effectiveness.., so by a chet gadol there should be a good potching and by smaller things it can be suspension (or shoe confiscation if you like so much that idea..)
johnkletsParticipantTo Common Shaichel: You and your friends had more mazel then shaichel – what if the rebbe would notice that the petch does not hurt anymore and decide to just take down the pants before spanking ? then it would have hurt triple
johnkletsParticipantThis whole concept of consquences instead of punishment is a comes from the modern world where not punish children has become a religion. when you tell a child to put on a coat and he doesn’t he might learn from consquences to put on a coat nextime. However he did not learn to listen to his parents for the sake of it, our goal is not to make him put on a coat for life, it is rather teaching him to obey parents as kibud av vaem, and thats not achieved by qonsquences.
johnkletsParticipantI was spanked at home only a handful of times, but one of them is realy memorable and had a big good effect on my behavior for years. I was close to 9 years old when i got 5 or 6 hard smacks on my backside on the bare skin, it took only a few seconds and i was realy crying. I just wonder if this method is appropriate according to tznius and derech hatora, all i can tell you it is very effective and safe. My question limited only to parents spanking their own kids.
johnkletsParticipantI agree totaly with Shmily O Ongar
johnkletsParticipantA yesiva can make strict policy about smoking
johnkletsParticipantPersonaly i think they should be very strict with smoking and more lenient with drinking but only on purim
johnkletsParticipantyes
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