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This is al shtusim. Trump never tried to stay in the white house, on the contrary he packed up and left like a tatele and even did not say goodbye or welcome to Biden. He just said some things a loud that other politicians would be careful to say only in private. That is his nature, and because he is on the wrong side of the spectrum he is suffering for it.
I think it is very good to bring back spanking in schools. Though it should come with clear rules on how, where and when to administer it, like in this particular school district in Missouri
iberleigen means laying down a child on his stomach over an adult’s lap or on a flat surface like a table, couch, bed, etc., and then smacking his bottom (tuches) with the hand, ruler, strap, etc.
Zushy: It’s indeed very painful, and that’s the purpose of the punishment. From my memories I remember the teacher laying down misbehaving children on his desk flat on their stomach, then smack their behinds with a wooden stick or ruler, it wouldn’t take few seconds until the child was bowling with tears. Believe me it was very painful and it worked. But indeed in my opinion I would better side with the latter punishment which is over fast, than a long during and perhaps a little dangerous punishment that you described, I think this kind of punishment and anything similair, like holding a bunch heavy books for a while, or holding the hands high up for a while should never be used in any case. A good portion of petsh can perhaps sometimes be healthy and benefiting.
When i was 14 year old my mother warned me that i will get 2 petsch if i came home drunk, so i did not get drunk
I do not understand all this arguments. Should all the teens protesting at BLM be there ? in our prespective they should all sit and learn….., not going out on the streets to seek fun….., untill the age of 21 and maybe even 25 you should be busy with your studies and not with outer distractions. But the fact that someone is a Leidigeir and does go to protest etc. makes him a murderer because he acted in self defense in a place that he should l’catchileh better not be there ? Maximum his parents should give him a spanking for going there without permission. Personally i don’t understand why a 17 year old rotzer has access to a gun, maybe he would not go there if he wouldn’t have a gun, but he’s in any case certainly not guilty at all, he acted in self defence and he got his harsh punishment already for being a leidigeir by the fear so many months of being sentenced to life in prison. I don’t wish anyone this kind of fear even for one day. Zeits gezunt.
Huju, your fathers name is Tzvi ben Aharon, that’s how he’s called to have an aliya at the Sefer Torah. For saying Tehilim for his recovery we need his mother’s name please.
learn Mishna Berurah Siman 2 and you will know everything
Common saychel: You got injection in the rear and rectal temps as part of punishment ? If not i don’t understand why you mentioned it, this was normal in my times.
Eishis: In my home there was a fair of petsh, though it was given to me only about a handful of times in all my chikdhood. Standing in corner was also an option when we were little.
So please start with a story and we will continue….
AAQ: It is not a negative trait, chas veshalom to say so on someone who raises his/her kids al pi torah. Kids who are not spanked when it is necessary are deprived from their right just as kids who are potched to much.
AAQ: Come on, generations of ordinary jews raised children according to tora guidance including petsh, the tora has trusted parents with their children, i am not answering to extremists, i am reffering to ordinary parents
Eishis Chail: I agree firmly with your opinion on spanking children, of course when done sparingly and with yishuv hadaas. I got spanked by my father only 3-4 times in all my childhood, but that was as they call it “gezunte petsh” and was enough for a long time. If petsh have to be repeated every Monday and Thursday then it is not working and only creates a bad atmospher at home. Better give a carefully hard spanking once in 2 years for a real misdemeanor than giving small spankings 4 times a month. Some of my kids got 1-2 times petsh and some did never get to a reason to get petsh and thats because they knew about the possibility of petsh, as one of the previous gedolim said that the kantshik in cheder is hanging on the wall mainly for the children to know that it could be used when neccesary, and so much to use it. About your suggestion that most mammes give petch, unfortunately as far i know very few mammes today have the courage to potch their kids properly and even fathers are getting fewer and fewer. Maybe they give some times here and there a small petshel for small kids for foolish or dangerous things they do, but most kids older then 5 years old do not know what petsh means, as far i know, maybe i am mistaken.
TLIK: The passuk “Chosech shivto” is “kipshuto”, look in the meforshim, look at other psukim in Mishlei like “Atu beshevet takenu vnafhsho mishoil tatzil”, look in Shevet Halevi Chelek 11 pshat in the posuk, and look also in shichas Lubavitcher Rebbe 19 Kislev 5731.
IYK:
Thank for your long detailed posts. I will have the honour to disagree on some points, but i think your last post was a little to far, the comparation between disciplining a child through potching and shooting him dead is just not the case. Agree or disagree regarding spanking, it’s clear that those advocating spanking are just seeking the same positive outcome in the child that you described, and they believe that sometimes when used sparingly it’s the right approach
No need for so much soap. After one moutwashing it will usualy help for months and even years, though i am not a fan of mouthwashing, instead a good quick spanking will be most effective for nivul peh, and will also help for months and even years
The English queen and her husband Prince Philip
Because some intiligent people, unfortunately among them a lt of acheinu bnei yisroel, choose to vote Trump out of office, they forgot about איזהו חכם הרואה את הנולד
Avi K: A Ben Noach could get death penalty throgh a ruling of one judge. Look upin Gemara and Rambam.
But anyway the question here was if al pi torah it is allowed to kill a goy, so my answer was that a goy killing a goy is from the Seven mitzvos Bnei Noach, and that there is death penalty for it. I was not talking about giving actually the death penalty in our time.
1. According to the torah, it’s asur for a goy to kill another goy, and if he did kill he is getting capital punishment, even with one witness and no warning, as long it is clear that he was killing on purpose.
2. If the other goy was threatening his life, then by no other choice he may (and should) kill him, but if he can save his life by other means like shoot him in the legs etc. he is not allowed to kill him.
3. By this case, i don’t know the facs what realy happened, if Chauvin or other people were in life danger or not, as well about the intentions of Chauvin if he wanted or knew that Floyd is going to die. What is clear for me that Chauvin could not get a fair trial because of the situation, especialy by a jury who are simple people with no protection. Could be he is indeed guilty, but we can not know that because his trial could not be fair.
4. This whole thing about black and racism is balony and nonsense. He did not get killed because of his blackness, but because of his actions and behaviour, the only discussion if according to his actions it was right to keep him restraint like this or not.
5. The activists for BLM and so on will never be happy and always claim about blacks being discriminated in United States. We had already a popular black president voted in by all kinds of Americans for 2 terms, but for those activists who realy don’t care about black people blacks will always be discriminated, as long there are white people in the world. They should have open their minds and realize that in America everyone has equal rights, the only thing what counts is what chazal say מעשיך יקרבוך ומעשיך ירחקוך, it is clearly a political violent movement, supported by the elites who nebech took over the leadership in the u.s.
No such thing as frum social media and will never be.
The best way is to kosher them through ליבון באש. If not possible then put it in a pot with boiling water like you kasher your bechers. Better then all that is to buy new ones.
Realy i think that before עבדים היינו the mask should be put on זכר לעבדות, then by והיא שעמדה take it off זכר לחירות and so on…..
His name not be mentioned ? come on please !
Physical letters is always done with more Yishuv hadaas then texting or emailing. The gedolim indeed said not to use texting and emailing besides for parnasa. But lets not change the topic, i just wanted to point out something interesting.
To Ubic, Charlie, etc.
At this point i will stop discussing this topic here, i think there is no point in endless discussions.
Just keep on seeing things as you wish, and don’t get distracted by facts.
At the end of the day we all wait for moshiach, not Trump nor Biden will help us.
Besuroth Tovoth
Ubic,
I am saying again, he was not trying to accomplish anything besides making a matzav and get his point across. He did not think to much when saying out each word he said which you are trying to learn pshat. He just did not think so deeply. He certainly knew that he will not accomplish anything and that Pence cannot or will not overthrow the results. If he had a nervousbreakdown that caused him to be dumb as you predict than he is for sure not responsible for his words because he has a din as a shoteh and should have been hospitalised long ago. Trump is Trump, he is not stupid though he has a character, he always uses many words which he is not thinking deep about the meaning of the words. In my mind he did a lot for the country and is not deserving to such a treatment, he is a victim from the media and the democrats because of his outstandig character and straight forward undiplomaticaly war on the Liberal agenda.
What Common Chaichel said is actualy common shaichel and the way a yid should think
Good question, another reason why to listen to the gedolim of E”Y and not use text messaging.
Ubic,
Replying to your second post.
Your wish to understand Donald Trump meaning by saying this and that is just not possible, bacause he himself was not thinking so deep when he said this and that, so now go learn pshat and shiur iyun in his words when he himself just said what comes up first. He poshut wanted to make a matzav about his claims and wanted to show that he has a big support for his claims and he has all the right to do so. Despite his nature of shooting out words he did not call for any violence and he sent them home after it turned violent. Maybe he could have sent them home earlier but what a difference was this from the riots of the BLM and from the reaction of Democratic politician and leaders. Simple as simple.
I would have voted for Trump again, though i would prefer to vote for someone whith the deeds of Trump but with a better mouth and personality.
Smerel said it very good
Ubic,
Do you realy think that trump is so dumb that he sought he can overturn an election by violent protest ? Do you realy think that he realy wanted a violent cup to overthrow the regime ? Than why had he not continued to incite his people for bigger and bigger protest in al cities like the BLM ?
Reb Eliezer,
Why you call yourself Reb Eliezer ? And who are you to decide who is drunk ?
Ubic,
Send me an adres where Trump asks for a violent protest or for invading the capitol.
Syag Lchochma ,
Sorry that i did not know that this Coffee room belongs to the Communist party and i shoould not post my opinions which are in contrast with Mother Russia
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What i realy do not understand is how a yid can be happy by the coming in of a President who wanted Pollard to rot in jail until the end of his life and he actualy adviced Obama not to pardon him.
Ubic,
Trump did not try to overturn an election by invading the capitol, thats a welknown lie the media is trying to put in in our brains, it was a demostration where some people got out of control while Trump told them specificaly to follow the law. The resignations of his close people only shows how far we are scared of the media and their kingdom, thats the weakness of the right and because of that the left is slowly taking over the world not by putting something in the vaccines to control peoples minds, but by continuausly and again and again brainwashing our minds. in my eyes Trump did nothing wrong yesterday and it is not worth to be remembered by history at al if not for our dear media. After al thay did not storm the beis hamikdash. The only sad thing is that one woman was killed, but nobody cares about it because she was not black and not liberal.
Huju
Nothing seriously happened to America by yesterdays demostration, besides that 1 women was killed, but that is not important because she was not black and especialy she was a trump supporter, so her blood is green, the protest in the summer of black lives matter was a real damage to America, here Trump right the way said to stop the violence and follow the law and there no single tzaddik of those bigshut democrats raised there voice to stop the protest which costed many lives plus damage to millions worth of peoples money. Now Twitter and Facebook are becoming the Presidents of the world and decide between good and bad. Wake up before the liberal dictatorship takes over America and the world, only because we are letting ourself from the biased media and because of politicaly correctness.
Look like the fat lady did not do her diet well…, ? Wait and see, Donald Trump will be missed by a lot of people who will recognize what he did for America, and a lot of people will regret voting him out of office, just give it a couple of months…,
TLIK
Al pi tora has every parent and every melamed the right of potching within the right rules given in shulchan aruch, you can look it up. Maybe you try to say that today is different, but it seems you think that corporal punishment has not a place in chinuch at all, that might be right in modern psygology, but not al pi tora
You are not right. There are certain circumstances where a spanking is necessary and it is not the fault of the parent pr teacher.
Spanking an innocent child is wrong
Medicating a regular innocent child is wrong
Spanking a child who needs medication is wrong
Medicating a child who needs a spankin is wrong
So what is the question medicating vs. spanking ?
I think the answer is that some parents believe that spanking is Always wrong, and they will rather use medication on their child then spanking, in my opinion thats child abuse
Why is jackk so mad at Trump that he gives out all his kaas here, you can agree or disagree with someone but whats this hatred about i cannot understand
after 2100 it will be january 07, but there would not be nittel anymore because moshiach will most probably already be here
in our mekorot we do not find anything about mouth soaping, you can also put pepper or salt, you can tell the child to put his hands on his head for long minutes etc. but i think nothing is so effective and at the same time the least abusive then simple spanking
Spanking is actualy a medicin, it just hurts but it is sometimes the best medication for naughty children.
I agree with meir G both on homeschooling and potching
To Amentch and all participants
look up at שבט הלוי חלק י”א תשובה רע”ח אות ב and you will find a clear answer on your question on potching in our times.
In הקדמה of ספר חובת התלמידים he points out that there is a derech hatora in chinuch which is applicable at al generations, like שמאל דוחה וימין מקרבת , but while in previous generations even if someone was not so makpid on ימין מקרבת and he used more the שמאל דוחה it did not damage the childs yidishkeit because he was mekabel anyways, but today (and this was before the war) you have to be mechanech solely on derech hatorah שמאל דוחה וימין מקרבת and you can not allow yourself to use only the שמאל.
The lubavitch rebbe in shichas י”ט כסלו תשל”א was talking against what some want to interpret the words of Shlomo Hamelech חושך שבטו שומא בנו as not meaning a real שבט etc. and pointed out that you cannot change the simple pshat of a possuk.
So look up the shevet halevi
Common Shaichel tell me whats bothering you; if it is over it is over, so why sitting here and blow a horn ? its over and lets go back to bussiness and give another the one the freedom to think that it is not over, whats this dictating others peoples mind ?
And in my opinion Trump has also the right to continue claim fraud. He is not acting against the law and he is going to leave the White House by time willingly, but why should he not claim fraud and even ask for a investigation ? The Common Shaichel and the senses of taste and smell say that there was big fraud in this election, there is not ENOUGH PROOF for the courts for numbers to overturn the elections, but the proof that there is is enough to understand and imagine how much more fraud there was, and there would have been nothing wrong for lawmakers or courts to make a historical decision for a reelection in some states, but no one was there to take the call because of fair from the media and the chaos it would bring, and that shows exactly how much of Democracy we have in the U.S. so kol tuv, its indeed over, lets continue a freilichn chanuke
Agreeing with Dbrim and Syag. Trump hatred among frum jews does not come out a place of frumkeit and yidishkeit; it’s rather a certain worldview boosted by the media and by the political correct people which they try wrongly to affiliate it with daas tora and halacha
Reb eliezer wrote johnklets, you are worse than Trump who accepts absentee ballots as valid. You should change the word “worse” with “better”…