I have also heard that it is a segula for a long life. I do not know what the source is. Is there any room left on Har Hazeisim? I would love to be buried there! What would that cost? Can I pay money down and then pay in installments? Maybe I will have a bank subsidize the rest

At least the coffee room crowd here is in agreement that this is a Jewish no no. I have not seen a dissenting opinion yet.

A good point was just made. Think of the guy/kid who loses. What does he feel like? Worthless. Yes, he went on of his own volition, but does that make it permissible? Does that make it right? We should be about building people up not tearing them down! And everyone other than the winner gets publicly ripped apart.

The whole thing is all about going ga ga about some guys tone range and shaming another fellow about how his voice is painful or needs work. shaming publicly? check. Tearing down youngsters self esteem? check. kissing up to the TV world? check. Destroying our values? check. Horrible chinuch? check. Bitul zman? check. Promoting narcissism? check. Not Jewish? check.

Are there any redeeming merits to this un-Jewish thing? NO

uh…do you mean the 11th month? shvat is the eleventh month from nissan. And tomorrow is the eleventh day.

but what does the eleventh hour mean? It needs to be done at a specific hour? Never heard that one.

I doubt they will have busing. It will be held at the Meadowlands. Cant you take the PATH or New Jersey transit or something similar to get there?

Nut Kase

kool

There is another point whichis not being addressed. Even if you claim that these haraidim protesting at a job fair are somehow correct in OPINION how is there justification for their ACTIONS? What ever happened to the sin of shaming others in public? Does that part of Torah count or only the parts that make us look better than the next guy?

Do you think they went through all the steps of the chofetz chaim before speaking up negativity about others? Making sure to know all facts inside and out, not exaggerate, first try and speak to them privately, be lishmah etc etc etc

Here, the argument that we are dealing with non religious or anti religious does not apply. These are Torah abiding citizens. And besides, everyone knows that the method they are just get the other side worked up and more dedicated to their own opinion as can be seen where they start taunting back at them and singing and dancing.

This is the most shelo lishmah thing ever and they probably lost their share in the After-world for shaming publicly (that’s gotta suck) (assuming they did not lose it already ions ago).

good idea. when folks shmooze during prayers pray LOUDLY really close to them till they feel real weird.

Sadly the phenomenon of a few members shmoozing in shul is not uncommon. Also, there are rabbanim who are not eager to stir up trouble so they keep quite.

The real way is that when a Rav sees that guys are chatting he should motion to the chazzan to stop and everyone will wait until the lowlifes clamp up. If its done a enough times, eventually the shmoozers will get the feeling that they are not welcome and they will either shut it up or change shuls.

what happens if the siyum hashas gets rained out?

really? what happens?

nfgo3 and the rest of you;

Could it be that Obama was totally uninvolved and this is simply how the cookie crumbled? Perhaps. But I think you are being a little naive to believe that it is totally unrealistic to say that Obama (secretly)applied some form of pressure or blackmail to get at least one of the conservatives to vote with the liberals.

And here is why. There is no question that if it would get struck down then that would be a terrible blow to Obama and could make him lose the election. He placed such a heavy emphasis on this thing (its obamacare!) as did the country that it could topple him. Why do you think its insane that he did some subtle arm-twisting or sweetening of the deal for Roberts? This could cost him the election for crying out loud!

Yes its a different branch of government….so what? You think no politician ever greased the palms or blackmailed or what have you.. a judge or justice or some aspect of the legal system? common.

Nixon did illegal things. Didn’t he?

What about Clinton? Lying under oath is illegal.

If a man has no God he will stop at nothing. Obama has no God. He stands for taxing us to death, illegals, gays, “a woman’s right to choose” (baby slaying) and every other Godless thing.

Yes I think he played dirty.

People like The Chassidishe Gatesheader are dead wrong (in my opinion obviously)

Here is why. Question, why should we care about what they do if it does not effect us?

Answer, is DOES effect us.

Question, how?

Answer, its another step in the break down of the society which GREATLY effects JEWS. Before the sixties when pot, rock and roll etc. became the norm the world was a better place. People were normal and it effected us. Yes it did. Jews follow their surroundings (as do all people). So as the society gets worse so do Jews.

Also, do you think that there are no gays out there that just happen to be Jewish? No waaayyy…Yes way sir. And now THEY get to be legally married which is a horrible stain which we SHOULD care about.

And besides, is it not a chillul Hashem when the people of Hashem do not stand up for morality? Of course it is.

And comparing it to other sins is wrong because even though it is true that there are plenty of things that people do wrong, the ones that cause the basic structure of society to fall apart are more important to US. Because it effects US MOST.

Also, all people are commanded as one of the 7 mitzvos binei noach in this matter and like I said it effects us all. We are commanded to be a light unto the nations. And ignoring the issue and caring only about ourselves and not the betterment of the world stinks of a darkness unto the nations.

And the argument that who cares if they serve idols etc is stupid because we pray every day in aleinu that the world reject and throw away idols and false ideologies and only swear and know of Hashem. And we declare how we long for the day. If this issue does not bother you then there is no way that you long for the betterment of society. You are a classic example of “with the lips they honor me but their hearts are far from me”.

I rest my case.

Three different answers.

1.They use electric shavers.

2.They use a chemical depilatory to burn the hairs off.

3.Some use a hair removal cream.

Answer one and two are mutually exclusive unless they are referring to two different groups of people.

Is 2 and 3 the same?

I wonder how many use this Nair/chemical thing and how many use standard shavers?

But how can those who use electric shavers get away with ignoring the psak of the Israeli poskim?

Has anyone heard of the Chazon Ish’s opinion on Life?

Does anyone have the actual location of R moshe zl tishuva on Life?

if they hang them privatively they show that they are cowards and they miss an opportunity to show the world and the cursed Palestinians that they will avenge this incident publicly. It is a the strongest thing to do. Like Haman, if they erect a pole near the Knesset and swing those dogs from it way high….I will praise them despite the hatred I have for all their mistakes and sins.

Please dont start the whole we need to have mercy garbage. The only thing Arabs fear and respect is power. They laugh at dumb American diplomacy. They perfect lying to an art, and the world is dumb like a donkey.

And here is the thing: Screw world opinion. The Israeli government would rather be all dead and have America think good of them and get their money handouts than be alive and look bad! Use as much force and power that you can and ignore the cursed Obama!

I pray that no more bombs and killing happen. However if one is decreed on high to happen and it will not be reverted…then and only then I say instead let it go to a relative of the Heads of Israel. That way (of course if the decree on high is irreversible) they will actually feel what its like instead of fake stupid speeches.

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msseeker: You say where is the heter to spill Jewish blood. At the start of the State you are right, but now that it already exists, what do you want people to do, drop their weapons? Allow themselves to get killed? Of course they need to defend themselves!

If you call religious Zionism worse than secular Zionism you have severe problems. People who keep Torah are worse than those who dont? I think you need your head examined.

Mike hall whatever: Yes the killed kidoshim are Religious Zionism. I am talking about SECULAR Zionism. And, please do not give me the whole tinok shenishubu thingmagig. The government does abortion. It paves roads on cemeteries?! Would you be so passive if it was your grandpaps being chucked out of his grave?

And how can you say, oh, how can someone be killed for turning on a light on Shabbat? You sound like a kofer yourself.

Perhaps my timing was off.

However, I feel that the fact that so many Jews forsook G-d and his Torah is SO ignored. Everyone screams to catch and kill the terrorists when ever things like this happen….which they totally should!

However, it is so important to remember that the real reason for things is spiritual not physical.

And it is crucial to feel MORE pain for the pain of G-d than the pain of man. I am not G-d forbid taking away from the family’s pain. They are holy and pure, and are now in the eternal bliss of Gan Eden. And the murders will go to Gehenom. I am just pointing out the pain of Hashem.