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Why is it okay for a married woman to use Facebook but not for a high school girl to do so?
jewishfeminist02Member“When a man is called up to the Torah, he is supposed to touch the Torah only with his Talis, not with his bare hand.”
I am well aware of this. However, Pashuteh Yid’s question refers to Hagbah and Glilah, when the Torah is already wrapped up and a person catching it would touch only the velvet covering and not the actual parchment.
jewishfeminist02MemberYou want proof? Done.
In 2000, the meat-cutting department of a Wal-Mart in Jacksonville, Texas voted in favor of unionizing. Wal-Mart’s response was to eliminate the entire department and switch over to prepackaged meat, claiming that the decision was made based solely on efficiency and that it had nothing whatsoever to do with unionization. After a lengthy battle in court, a National Labor Relations Board judge ordered Wal-Mart to reintroduce the meat-cutting department and recognize the union.
I mentioned before that Wal-Mart closed down a store in Quebec because its workers had voted for a union. in September 2005, the Quebec Labor Board ruled in favor of the workers, stating that there was ample evidence to suggest that the store employees had lost their jobs as a direct result of voting to unionize. Hearings to determine compensation for these employees are still in progress.
Wal-Mart is faced with approximately 5,000 lawsuits a year. Do you think an honest, law-abiding company would be sued so much, and lose so often? Maybe you’ve heard of Dukes v. Wal-Mart Stores. It’s the largest class-action lawsuit in American history; 1.6 million women sought compensation for workplace discrimination. It’s a clear fact that women at Wal-Mart are paid less than men for the same work, and tend to remain “stuck” in the lowest-ranking positions as their male colleagues receive promotion after promotion. Dukes v. Wal-Mart was first filed in June 2001. The plaintiffs won the case in District Court; Wal-Mart promptly appealed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. In February 2007, a decision was handed down, again in favor of the women. Wal-Mart still continues to appeal and take all legal actions possible to stall and try to get out of paying these women what they owe. Hopefully, the charade won’t continue much longer. (See Liza Featherstone’s book for the full story on this lawsuit.)
Oh, and Joseph: Sam Walton is dead.
jewishfeminist02MemberIf you want a light supper, I would recommend a soup. I (Corn soup with asparagus is one of my favorites; French onion soup is great too, or mushroom barley.) Serve it with salad and thick bread.
jewishfeminist02MemberJoseph, I have verified these “talking points” through a number of sources. I’m not going to start posting all of my “evidence” here because it would take me all night, but if you’re interested in the subject, here are some good places to start:
The United States of Wal-Mart (John Dicker)
The Wal-Mart Effect (Charles Fishman)
In Sam We Trust (Bob Ortega)
The Bully of Bentonville (Anthony Bianco)
Selling Women Short: The Landmark Battle for Workers’ Rights at Wal-Mart (Liza Featherstone)
There is also an excellent documentary out called Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price.
Squeak, “stores have the right to be anti-union” but this only refers to their ideological position. If a majority of employees vote for a union, the stores cannot do anything to prevent unionization. In this case, it does not “go both ways” since the decision whether or not to unionize legally lies with the employees and not the employers. I happen to be pro-union, but that is a separate issue. The point is that I am pro- allowing workers to exercise their rights, and unionization happens to be one of the many rights of which Wal-Mart has stripped its employees.
Shkoyach, the convenience comes at a price. You may have hakaras hatov to Wal-Mart, but do you think the workers do?
jewishfeminist02MemberWhy? Can you explain the answer?
jewishfeminist02MemberI like the Chevra, Lev Tahor, and Shalsheles.
D’veykus is probably my favorite. They have 6 CDs out, all several years old, but excellent nonetheless.
I would also recommend Ruach and Ruach Revival. Those CDs are even older than D’veykus, but I’m partial to them because my uncle was in the band 🙂
jewishfeminist02MemberCorrect! (Squeak, and feivel’s second answer.) If he says, “You will shoot me,” they cannot shoot him because the statement would have been true, and they cannot hang him because the statement would have been false, so they have no choice but to let him go free. “I am a liar” does not really work, neither does “Can I go free?” (remember, it has to be a statement, not a question.)
I’m not sure about Riddle B, but for Riddle A, would the answer be 31?
jewishfeminist02MemberSo all non-Charedim have “anti-Torah ideals”, then?
jewishfeminist02MemberRegardless of whether or not unions are good for business, the fact is that workers have the right to unionize if they wish, and Wal-Mart refuses their employees that right. They hand out kits to their managers filled with anti-union propaganda and give them a 24-hour “union hotline” that they can call if they suspect any of their employees of plotting unionization. Once such troublesome employees are identified, they are immediately fired. In this way, Wal-Mart intimidates its employees so that they have to vote no to unions if they wish to keep their jobs. One Wal-Mart in Canada finally managed to push through a union, and Wal-Mart simply closed the entire store.
jewishfeminist02MemberNo matter how well you think you know someone, they can still be putting up a facade without you realizing it. (I mean this as a general statement; I’m not trying to cast doubt on your relationship with the Chassidishe couples whom you know.)
Anyway, even if those couples are really happy (and I hope they are) that doesn’t account for the entire Chassidishe community. I highly doubt that every single Chassidishe couple in the world is happily married.
jewishfeminist02MemberVery funny.
Actually, the only alcohol I have drunk since landing in Israel has been Kiddush wine. I’ve only been to a bar once, and I didn’t drink anything there.
jewishfeminist02MemberFirst, how detailed do you want us to be?
Second, before I post, can we agree that this thread will be used *solely* to get to know each other and not to debate halacha? There are certain things that I don’t want to reveal about myself if they’re only going to cause people to jump down my throat and take this thread away from its original topic.
jewishfeminist02MemberI can’t imagine that many Wal-Mart employees would be in a good mood, what with the meager wages and insufficient healthcare that they get, all because Wal-Mart refuses to let in unions.
jewishfeminist02Member“They’re all so happy”
How are we defining happiness here?
Perhaps they have a very low divorce rate, but just because the marriages stay together, this does not mean that the couples are happy. No one knows what happens behind closed doors.
jewishfeminist02MemberHavesomeseichel- 12.
iluvchulent- Moav and Ben-Ammi.
Here’s a good one:
A soldier has been captured by the enemy. The commander decides to allow the soldier to choose how he wants to die. “You can make one statement,” the commander says to the soldier. “If it is a lie, we will shoot you, and if it is true, we will hang you.” What one statement can the soldier make that will force the commander to let him go free?
jewishfeminist02MemberSammyjoe, you are not the only user here who consistently misspells words, writes run-on sentences, etc.
As a general note for everyone here, posts that contain correctly spelled words and proper diction and syntax are both easier to read and give the impression that a lot of thought was put into the posts. I cannot speak for everyone here, but I am more inclined to take a post seriously if it is grammatically free or nearly free of error.
jewishfeminist02MemberActually, I’m in Israel, where the drinking age is eighteen, so…
jewishfeminist02Memberhttp://www.consumeraffairs.com/retail/walmart_returns.html
This webpage has several customer testimonials describing bad experiences with returning merchandise to Wal-Mart.
jewishfeminist02MemberHmm, that’s interesting. Where is this, Lakewood?
jewishfeminist02MemberHmm, a RED house? That’s interesting…:)
jewishfeminist02MemberAlso, there are Wal-Mart stores all around the world (although not, thankfully, in Israel!)
jewishfeminist02MemberI don’t know anything about Costco, but from my research (I’ve never stepped foot in a Wal-Mart store, but I wrote a 7-page thesis on the corporation) my impression is that they’re highly reluctant to accept returns. I read in one book that a woman tried to return a defective video camera (she had a receipt) and the salesman suggested that she go across the street and try to return it at Kmart, pretending that she had purchased it there!
jewishfeminist02Member“You wouldn’t understand anyways.”
Joseph, don’t make a statement if you aren’t prepared to explain/defend it.
GMAB and Feif Un, have either of you ever personally been to a slaughterhouse and witnessed the animals’ living conditions there as well as the shechita?
November 12, 2008 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm in reply to: Ushpizin- Amazing Jewish 100% Kosher Film… #624462jewishfeminist02MemberBut the women are dressed completely tzniusdik! What is the problem?
jewishfeminist02MemberThis is getting silly. (Sorry, but there’s just no other word for it.)
jewishfeminist02MemberAnyway, Wal-Mart has a hideous return policy.
jewishfeminist02MemberOnce, I was on the same airplane as a young soldier returning home from several months of service. When we got off the plane, his wife and young son were waiting for him. The son was holding a poster that said You’re My Hero Daddy! When the soldier ran up to them and hugged the little boy, everyone started applauding.
jewishfeminist02MemberMariner, I never said that I blame men for not being attracted to overweight women. (Not even 1%!) I did say, however, that I don’t think it’s fair to expect the women to change just because (some) men aren’t attracted to them. There is no reason why women should have to “fix” themselves to fit some subjective ideal of beauty.
November 12, 2008 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm in reply to: Ushpizin- Amazing Jewish 100% Kosher Film… #624459jewishfeminist02MemberOkay, but in 2004 $223 would also buy more food than it would buy today. And I would not agree with your statement that “you can never go wrong with spending extravagant amounts to beautify Hashem’s Mitzvos.” We are not speaking here of a couple of well-to-do or even modest means who could have cut back on luxuries, but a couple who struggled just to make ends meet. Therefore, the decision to buy the most expensive etrog was just foolhardy in my opinion.
November 12, 2008 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm in reply to: Tenor of Discussion on YWN: When Discussions Become Acrimonious #625723jewishfeminist02MemberICOT, thank you for clarifying your intent. I understand now what you meant to say and I certainly will not ask you to “stay out of my business.”
You’re right on the mark about my age. I have hesitated to reveal my age here for fear of not being taken seriously, but since you guessed, I’ll tell you- I’m eighteen, turning nineteen in a few months. I graduated high school last year and am spending a year in Israel before college.
Regarding pants and tznius, I actually think that pants can often be more tznius than skirts. Have you ever been standing on a street corner in the fall and a strong wind comes along? Well…let’s just say I would much rather be wearing a pair of pants in that situation, especially if there are men around.
November 12, 2008 8:30 am at 8:30 am in reply to: Important Announcement for Lakewood Residents! #624783jewishfeminist02MemberJoseph, if you knew anything about these movements, you would know that they are legitimate forms of Judaism. However, you do not even know their proper names, so I am not surprised that you have this mistaken impression.
This does not apply to Reform and Reconstructionist Jews who accept patrilineal descent, but would you say that a member of the Conservative movement who has Jewish parents, grandparents, etc. is in fact not a Jew?
jewishfeminist02MemberPlease clarify what you mean by this.
jewishfeminist02MemberI get all my shoes at Payless. I have very big feet and many stores don’t go past size 10, but Payless always has plenty of tasteful, comfortable shoes in stock in my size, and for a cheap price. They wear out more quickly than shoes from other stores, but that just means I can go shoe shopping more often without breaking the bank.
jewishfeminist02MemberJoseph, let me amend my statement: I would never do something that all ORTHODOX poskim unanimously prohibit.
Of course, there are many people in the world with the title of “Rabbi” who permit actions that I feel are wrong. I am referring here to rabbis of more liberal movements, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist. I have a great deal of respect for these rabbis, but I lead a different lifestyle than they do and would never pasken according to their teshuvot. So, no, I don’t do “whatever I want”.
torahls1, you ask “Since when does a human being get to mandate how animals should be treated?”
Since it says in Bereshit that we should “fill the earth and dominate it.” With this dominance comes a responsibility to ensure that when we use animals for our own purposes, we treat them humanely. This does not mean treating them as if they are human; if that were the case, we certainly would not be permitted to eat meat! Rather, it means remembering that WE are human, and as such are capable of feeling compassion. We need to exercise our compassionate natures in our dealings with animals.
For reasons that I hope are obvious to you, I’m not going to respond to the rest of your illogical rant.
November 12, 2008 7:39 am at 7:39 am in reply to: A Torah Perspective on Obama, Our New President-Elect #624817jewishfeminist02Member“And Chopnik, Obama let slip in Florda (sic) that he’d raise taxes for people making as little as $150 grand. jf02, I’m saying we Jews need our money, and having it taken away to help ‘spread the wealth’ won’t make things any easier, especially for those suffering because of the current economic downturn.”
Everyone is suffering because of the current economic downturn, rich and poor alike, and don’t think for a second that all Jews are rich. $150,000 sounds like a lot to me because my family only makes around $35,000, so raising taxes will make things easier for me and my family. Of course, I count my blessings because $35,000 is still well above the poverty line, and there are plenty of families, Jewish as well as non-Jewish, who don’t always know where they will get their next meal. Is it so difficult to give up a few luxuries? Anyone who’s making a six-figure salary can afford to cut back a little.
jewishfeminist02Member37 seconds???
I have heard the story before and agree that it is very uplifting.
November 12, 2008 7:19 am at 7:19 am in reply to: How Do I Lose The 5-10 Pounds I Gained Over The Yom Tov Season QUICKLY? #943049jewishfeminist02Member#2 definitely resonates with me. There are such high expectations nowadays from diets and pills that people just want a “quick fix” which is simply not realistic. I used to watch the TV show The Biggest Loser where contestants would lose at least 5 pounds every week, usually more. One week, there was a woman who only lost 3 pounds, and her team was so disappointed in her. Yet as we can see from this article, even 3 pounds in a week is too much! The healthy- and permanent- method is to lose weight over a longer period of time and keep it off rather than losing a lot very quickly and then gaining it back right away.
November 12, 2008 7:04 am at 7:04 am in reply to: Ushpizin- Amazing Jewish 100% Kosher Film… #624450jewishfeminist02MemberI thought the film was very good but somewhat overrated. Don’t get me wrong, I liked it, but with the way everyone I know has been raving about it I was expecting something spectacular. (I watched it in ulpan without subtitles, so maybe that’s part of the problem.) I also had the same objection as The Wolf. Sure, there’s a big difference between $380 and $900, but even so, I think the husband acted extravagantly. I admire his intent and rush to do a mitzvah as perfectly as possible, but for the level of poverty in which they found themselves, it would have been much wiser to buy a less expensive etrog and save the money for basic necessities. I also wondered why he didn’t consult his wife before purchasing the etrog; after all, the money belonged to both of them! Quite rightly, she was shocked when she learned what he had done.
jewishfeminist02MemberI’m not saying that I feel men’s attractions should change; rather, I don’t think that we should blame heavy girls for being unmarried. Thinking about some of the frum families I know, there are all four types represented in terms of weight: in the majority of the families I know, both husband and wife are average weight or slim. I also know a few families where both husband and wife are overweight, and two or three each where the wife is overweight and the husband is slim, or the wife is slim and the husband is overweight. In the second to last example, do I think that the husband finds his wife unattractive? No, of course not! If that were the case, how could they possibly live together and build a family? Granted, the majority of men perhaps prefer slim women, but so too the majority of women prefer slim men, and I don’t understand why we are only approaching this discussion from one angle.
I am thinking of one couple in particular where the husband is overweight and married to an average weight, pretty woman. He is my brother’s Rebbe, so I have been to their house for Shabbos and know them well. He happened to marry relatively later than most men do and must have dated dozens of women. “I waited and waited for my wife, and thank God she came!” he once said to me with a chuckle. Would you define him as insane? I certainly wouldn’t. It’s possible that all those women who came before his wife rejected the shidduch because of his weight, but she didn’t, and that’s all that matters. When a person looks to get married, he or she is not looking to marry the whole world- it only takes one! So it may be frustrating to have to wait longer for the right person to come along, but it will happen b’ezrat hashem for all the single men and women out there who are overweight. It may be a good idea for them to try to slim down a little for health reasons (and I am speaking here of those who are grossly overweight or obese, let’s say size 18 or 20 and up) but they should not do it only for the purposes of getting married.
Would you suggest that a slim woman who has an ugly face should undergo plastic surgery if she wants to get married?
November 12, 2008 6:39 am at 6:39 am in reply to: Tenor of Discussion on YWN: When Discussions Become Acrimonious #625715jewishfeminist02MemberICOT, I appreciate your thoughts on the situation. However, I do feel that in this case you are patronizing me. What did I say that gave you an impression of my age? I don’t know how old your kids are, so I can’t say if you were right or not, but your assessment of my knowledge of feminism’s core beliefs with regard to Torah values assumes that I am going through a “phase” and simply need someone knowledgeable to sit down with me and correct my “backward ideals”. Respectfully, I take offense at this.
I also don’t believe that the “jewishabortionist02” example is a fair analogy. As anon4this pointed out, I have in no way tried to force my beliefs on anyone here. I did provide a website, which anyone who is interested can read, but I do not volunteer information on feminism because I sense that it would not be received well. I simply state my opinion on various issues as they come up in threads, and of course, when these issues deal with women’s role in Judaism, my responses will reflect my feminism. I do not pretend to speak for all feminists or all of feminism; as anyone who has studied feminism should know, there are various “streams” of feminism (liberal feminism, radical feminism, etc.)
When I created my account on this website, it did not occur to me that my username might be perceived as inflammatory, and I certainly was not “looking to cause trouble”. Perhaps I should have realized, given the name of this website and the background of its readership, what the responses to my username would be, but I did not. Still, I don’t think there is anything wrong with my username per se; I was simply identifying myself as a follower of a particular ideological movement. (Not the case in the other scenario; there is no such thing as “abortionism”!)
Finally, what troubles me most are the serious comments about my putting “sacrilegious, anti-Torah ideas” into “innocent readers’ heads.” I am not looking to corrupt people, and I don’t see how a humble person can state in no uncertain terms that he or she is right and everyone else is wrong. Of course, I believe that I’m right and you believe that you’re right; otherwise we would not act the way we do! But ultimately, this belief in one’s own rightness can only extend so far. We must all recognize that since we are not God, and since we have no direct contact with God, there is a very real possibility that we are wrong. We try as best we can to figure out what God wants from us and to do it, but perhaps we have misinterpreted what He wants or chosen the wrong outlet in which to carry it out. We simply do not know. So to state categorically that these two opposing viewpoints are not of equal stature is to place oneself on the level of a prophet or Mashiach or even on the level of God.
jewishfeminist02MemberActually, I did not quote Rav Kook, I simply mentioned that he too was vegetarian, so I am on solid footing.
(By the way, many murderers do in fact wear pants, but most murderers are male!)
I have not read Rav Kook’s sefer and therefore cannot comment on his prohibition on pants. I have, however, read his 1919 teshuva stating that women should not vote. First, he clearly states in the beginning of the document that he is not really qualified to address the issue and is only writing an opinion because he was asked to by others. Second, remember that he did write this in 1919, at the peak of the women’s suffrage movement. His belief that women should not vote was founded on fears that he had of what such a step would lead to, as outlined later in the document. With the benefit of the passage of time, we can clearly see that these fears were, thankfully, not realized.
I won’t deny that I am influenced by modern society, and sometimes I unconsciously draw conclusions about what is right based on modernity and then have issues when this conflicts with Torah ideas of what is right. I am dealing with this in my own way and I believe that it is an inevitable problem; we just all have it to different degrees. I admire you for sticking by one posek even when you don’t agree with him. But that’s just it- there are instances where you don’t agree with him, where what he says intuitively feels wrong to you! Where do you think this intuitive feeling comes from? Even if you ignore the feeling, you can’t get away from the fact that it exists.
I am not yet a parent, but I can well imagine the tremendous feeling of conflict that faced Avraham Avinu in this week’s parsha. Even putting aside the fact that Hashem had said that an entire nation would come out of Avraham through the line of Yitzchak- who did not have any offspring at the time of the Akeidah- how could Avraham raise his hand to slay his own child? Ideally, we should strive to be on Avraham’s level and have complete faith, but this is not always possible. Child sacrifice is one of those things that seems intuitively and undoubtedly wrong. Yet Avraham accepted it without question. If I were in his position, I think I would fail this test utterly, as would most of today’s Jews.
So, to answer your question directly, I’ll admit that I do “pick and choose” at times, but I would never do something that all poskim unanimously prohibit. (For example, secular society clearly sees nothing wrong with premarital relations, but I recognize that there is no allowance for this within a Torah framework and therefore would not ever consider engaging in such relations.) I would like to be in a place where I can be more consistent in my observance of halacha, and this is something that I am working on, but I am simply not there yet.
jewishfeminist02MemberSo if a woman “lets herself go”, so to speak, after getting married or when the demands of a household of children take their toll on her body, is this grounds for her husband to divorce her?
November 11, 2008 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm in reply to: Important Announcement for Lakewood Residents! #624780jewishfeminist02MemberPlease, let’s not get into that discussion here. I am well aware that the vast majority of this website’s readership is against feminism; I do not need each of you to tell me individually. I believe GMAB started a feminism thread which mysteriously disappeared soon after, so apparently YWN editors do not consider it a suitable topic for discussion.
Like it or not, I am a feminist, and I’m not going to change my ideology just because some anonymous people on a website think I should. Please don’t use asterisks or abbreviate my username to try to ignore my feminism or treat it like a dirty word; there is another “f-word” that I think you would find much more objectionable!
(kitzur_dot_net, I think you probably meant that “orthodox” and “feminist” are oxymorons. I disagree with you wholeheartedly here, as I am an Orthodox feminist. Nonetheless, I can see why some people might think this is so, whereas there is no basis whatsoever for claiming that a Jew by birth who may be completely secular cannot be a feminist.)
jewishfeminist02MemberMy condolences, Tal. You’re right, it’s hard. There’s simply no other way to put it. Kol hakavod to you and your family for working to prevent further pain and suffering for others.
November 11, 2008 8:22 am at 8:22 am in reply to: Mayor Bloomberg: Why is He Getting Away With This? #624225jewishfeminist02MemberKrumme?
jewishfeminist02MemberI saw some booths outside this morning with volunteers circulating flyers, trying at the last minute to influence voters. Of course, I can’t vote, but I found it interesting nonetheless. I wish I knew more about the candidates- I can’t really say with any confidence who I feel would be the best choice.
jewishfeminist02Member“…or you can suggest that the girls try to lose some weight which may solve the problem.”
This will most certainly NOT solve the problem. If a man is not attracted to (I won’t go so far as to say repulsed by) an overweight woman, he doesn’t have to go out with her, and she can find a man who does find her attractive. But to say that at this point she should lose weight is not fair. Men have different tastes in women; some actually find heavier women more attractive, just as some prefer blonde hair and some prefer red hair. Should a woman dye her hair to become more attractive to certain men, only to then become less attractive to others? So it is with weight.
Furthermore, a woman who is told that a man is only interested in her if she is thin will naturally lose some self-confidence. There are so many single women out there who are only getting older, and I’m sure many of them, even if they present a self-assured manner, have thoughts late at night such as “What’s wrong with me? Why aren’t I married already?” Suggesting that they have to lose weight or change in any other way only confirms this doubt that maybe something is “wrong” with them and they cannot find a shidduch just the way they are.
jewishfeminist02MemberNo, I think he’s saying that many tzaddikim are meat-eaters, so he thinks that if they’re not worried, he shouldn’t be.
However, I as a vegetarian am also “in the good company of many Tzaddikim”, among them the notable Rav Kook.
jewishfeminist02MemberAre you differentiating here between an “object” and an “item”? If so, what is the difference?
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