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Joseph- Do you realize you just said motzi shem ra on the entire American Jewry?
DY-Chag Kosher Vsoemach
Well, I disagree with you that not being in the Igros is immaterial.
Rav Dovid shlit”a, I believe, says this in the name of his father. (I’m not 100% sure what he does say).
DY- Everything makes sense. Pesach is this evening. That is not true by chalav stam as I wrote in my above post.
?”? means when things seem to contradict or more information is needed to finish the puzzle. In this case, we have reason to doubt the teshuva, bec. it is not in the Igros and how does it fit with “baal nefesh machmir”. Also, I don’t know if this is the way Rav Dovid shlit”a says his father’s opinion is. It could be. But it may not be.
Right. As I said, ?”?.
When Rav Moshe tz”l puts it in the Igros, it is considerd paskening for the whole world. It doesn’t really matter what percentage. Finding a teshuva outside the Igros is not always so relevant. There is a mystery here. I am not saying Vdai that the teshuva is not important, I am concluding ?”?.
The teshuva to R’ Weinfeld proves that this is the case. The fact that it wasn’t printed in Igros is entirely irrelevant.
No. It was written in 1956. That could easily make it into the Igros. There is something a little bit strange about why it is not in the Igros. I’m not saying it is completely immaterial, but there is a pretty good question about why it is not in the Igros.
That just proves a baal nefesh should be machmir. That a mosdod hachinuch should be machmir. And he was encouraging people to keep chalav stam when he personally wrote he is machmir. Where is your proof that if it costs a little more one should be machmir?
Mods-Hilarious!
DY-For the purposes of this discussion, meikar hadin means not bshas hadchak.
Where in the Igros Moshe does Rav Moshe tz”l say only bshas hadchak? YD 4:5 is a specific case. That is how Rabbi Daniel Eidensohn reads the teshuva. (See the Yad Moshe) So now you are left with a teshuva outside the Igros. That teshuva does not say “bshas hadchak” just “not proper” and one “needs” to get chalav stam. Now, I am not 100% clear on what Rav Dovid shlit”a says his father’s opinion is. But he clearly does not say “bshas hadchak”.
Ask your Rav about kashering your sink.
Moderators, if you don’t mind and if I get Comlink-X’s approval can we switch the title of this thread to “Games involving lying/Chalav Stam”?
There is more to it, but here is the basics:
Chalav Stam Bshas Hadchak Proofs:
1)YD 4:5
2)Teshuva to Rabbi Weinfeld
Chalav Stam Meikear Hadin Proofs:
1)Rav Dovid Feinsein shlit”a (on the Matzav website (search “Matzav Rav Dovid Feinsein chalav yisroel”) it does say one should get chalav yisroel if it easy to get, but the terminology “bshas hadchak” is not there; it is more compatible with Rabbi Weinfeld’s teshuva)
Chalav Stam Meikar Hadin Rebuttals:
1a)YD 4:5 is specific case in specific circumstance
2a)Teshuva to Rabbi Weinfeld is not in the Igros
STAM KELIEM AINO BEN YOMO
IF you know that you did use it in the past 24 hours, then it is not stam anymore.
Anyone hold it is ??”??
So what do you think?
DaasYochid- Do you agree that bdieved you can still use your sink if it is not ben yomo and you didn’t kasher it? (If it was cleaned) (Obviously, don’t rely on this lechatchilla)
But, bdieved if one didn’t kasher his sink, it would probably bdeived be good enough to througly clean it and have it not ben yomo so the taam because pagum.
Do you think it is ?”? or ??”??
Kashering a sink is one of the hardest kashering jobs, in my opinion.
I guess this can be a random thread. Write anything you want.
More research is needed on the chalav stam bshas hadchak issue.
Or as they say in halachik literature, ?”?.
One should ask his Rav about aliya. So far none in this thread have acted like the meraglim, Baruch Hashem, I hope it continues that way.
Dash-Your right. But I think this one Rav Dovid shlit”a says in the name of his father.
Comlink-X- I hope you don’t mind that I hijacked your thread with my chalav stam posts. If you do, I’ll stop.
More research is needed on the chalav stam bshas hadchak issue.
Don’t rely on me when I say that Rav Dovid shlit”a holds chalav stam is mutar mikar hadin. Contact him directly (or a close talmid).
And as always contact your own Rav (From me, not mods)
And an important blow to the chalav stam bshas hadchak opinion is that, I believe, Rav Dovid Feinstein shlit”a holds in the name of his father that chalav stam is mutar meikar hadin.
(Mods, it is a clean link, if you can’t post it, please post post without link)
sorry, we don’t post links
Another proof is the teshuva from Rabbi Forst shlit”a printed in the back of Hilchos Kashrut (I believe, can someone confirm) that is from Rav Moshe tz”l to Rabbi Weinfeld in Monsey saying that it is not proper to be meikel if one can get chalav yisrael with just a little extra cost and bother. But that teshuva was written in ???? and yet it is not in the Igros. Why not?
There is possible proof that chalav stam is mutar not only bshas hadchak.
Right. One of the main teshuvas that is used as proof that chalav stam is mutar only bshas hadchak (dire circumstances) is YD 4:5 but that teshuva seems to be talking of a specific case in a specific circumstance, a community (Toronto) was thinking of switching to chalav stam after keeping chalav yisrael and Rav Moshe tz”l wrote that you shouldn’t do it unless it is bshas hadchak. How does that compare to other cities that were keeping chalav stam before Rav Moshe tz”l gave his heter.
Does anyone know if the Chazon Ish was makpid to drink water in the Succah?
Personally, I wish there was still batel bshishim for chametz.
Joseph-I hope you know that not going to YU was not the opinion of Rav Shimon Shkop tz”l
Smoking can kill.
As you surely know, if a person has a choice of two streets, and he knows that one of those has pritzus and he chooses to go that way EVEN IF he goes with the full intention of not looking AND DOES NOT LOOK then he is called a RASHA!
Your comparison is flawed, in my opinion. Compare it to actually going to the party and not getting involved in it, not having a choice of going to the party.
This is a great thread…..
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I highly doubt that strong language would make it assur.