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to hamagnat ..and what about the other 600?
to those who dont believe in the concept of body persavation for those who merit it see dvorim 34..pasik 7 rashi ‘v’lo nos leicho’ shelo sholta bo rikvon’..we already mentioned’ in ‘sepiray chasidim’ by hurav zevin z’l brings few stories about such..have a close freind who was told by his close relative that he accompanied the holy ‘igros moshe’ body to e’y and was there at the ‘baerdigung’ and told him (to my friend) that heilige guf was as fresh as b’shass petire, in other words didnt have any simonim of rikvon hagif one usually has after a few days .(that person is oisek in these things)
to ir hakodesh..you say al tistakel b’kankan..here, again , dont underestand vu kumt dos arein..you refer to statements about crocs..do you mean my statements about crocs,mir nit said anything negetive ..if yes can you point which page. do you mean other posters,they were discussing halach and each according how they understsand pshat in the mihsneh brureh. you say ‘i’m sure the the riboni shel oilom..’are you also from those who have a direct line to the riboni shel oilom and are sure what he wants..we’ll if you want to know what the ribni shel oilom wants, its very simple, he gave exact instuctions, its called torah sh’besav WITH torah s’bal peh,which consists of arbai chelkai sulchen urech, one and indevisible (just like the US ask lincoln,see me knows secular ed). what you say ‘HE cares whats in peoples neshomos..then what they are wearing..’ so this sentence of you yours , is megalai klonoch you are from the ‘other’ side, because thats what the oivrei toireh come with,’does the riboni shel oilon care if we eat treif,strike an match shabbos etc, etc’AS LONG AS WE HAVE A GOOD JEWISH HEART ,(WHATEVER THAT MEANS).SO IN S’U orach chaim 91clochos are disscussed what attire one should wear when davening wi, and you come with ‘i am sure that..’ so are we not right about what we thinkwhich ‘side’ you stand. now ow we hapeyou dont thing that mir consider you ‘LESS JEWISH’ by saing this.YOU CAN DEFINATELY SAY ONLT THE RIBONI SHEL OILONM KNOWS WHO IS MORE,WITH ALL OUR PSHETLECH YOU CAN BE MORE IN THE RIBSO ‘EYES’ THAN ME..BUT WE STILL HAVE TO POINT OUT WHAT WE THINkYOU ARE WRONG
to ir hakodeh..cnt’ d..you say ‘i have a feeling …you feel jews who don’t do what you do…’ me am stumped, dont know what you mean ‘dont do as you do’,do mean if i play chess and they dont play chess?..or if i have chevy impala and they have a cutless ? or do you mean lets say if me wears a gartel and you dont wear a gartel you are less yiddish, why on earth should it be so? so can you explain what do you mean by jews who do..are less than me.is it, lets say, me is born to jewish mother and the other not jewish mother ,then he is not jewish at all, not less jewish.do you mean that when we feel someone is oiver on a prat of the toireh,or kol hatorah kilo, or when one is malik al divrei chachaminm ,or mechazek those who mock the ribonishel oilom and his torah like those posters we refer to and we (and not only mir but plenty other posters who understand what means, ‘u’lefi shlo micho’,mes.shabbos). so by that you say me hold those jews less? less what ,in what sense, posil l’eaidus, be metzaref for minyon? where do you see we said as such..so again, what do you mean by ‘less than you’ which is me
to ir hakodesh page 3..cont’d.. you say ‘have mekabel es kol huadom b’saver panim yofos…’ we dont even start to comprehend how this memre pertains here, like we said ,hodu to bodu..dont even know how to start refuting some thing that doesnt even make sense.. we’ ll try.. this memreh means when we walk on the street and greet somebody, which we have to do, even,O fellow citizen no matter who(thats what we do…reb yochenon ben zakai…v’afilu shel akim….)you do it with a smile , see also ketuboh 112b (?)’. u’lven shinaim mai chalov..’or anywhere you greet someone should be pleasantly….so what has this memrai got to do when one has a debate with somebody, and tells that somebody , in our case, that he is anti…we’re not going to rehash. mr ir hakodesh you seem to have resently joined, so you dont know what’s it all about. we’ve followed the postings of these signers 3/4 year, every time there is mentioned something b’noigayah anti toirah, d’hina,reform,mayor koch ,blind rabbi, all those articles they jump on the same bandwagon and uneqivocally support the anti toirah band . the other guys say ‘melamed zechus’,which is completly not shayech, but thats a pshetel unto itself.maybe another post.so if you dont know whats it all about vos sprung eir arein. now we dont know where you stand , charedi are anti ,so pick your side ..but this has nothing to do with ‘have mekable es…’ while we are at it ‘al tarbeh sicho im isha ‘ you are also such a ‘kenoah’ for? we can go thruh pirkai avos and ask on quite a few memres and ask the same..are you a ‘KANOIEH’ for thse memres too or just ‘THE TRUTH HURTS ? SO IF WE’LL GET AROUN WE’LL TAKLE THE NEXT.. ONE THING NOW..YOU SAY ONLY THE RIBONI SHEL OILOM KNOWS WHATS IN A YIDS HEART..ALSO HEIB NIT OHN TZU FARSTEIN…VE KUMPT DO AREIN?SO LETS SAY WHEN ONE SEES SOMEONE OIVER AVAIREH WE SHOULD JUST IGNORE AND SAY ‘ ONLY…’ IF YES SO YOU DONT KNOE OF THE MIZVAH KOLYIROEL AREIVIM ZEH L’ZAH..SO MIR STUMPED ON THAT ONE TO…AND THE NEXT..AND THE NEXT…
to pashute yid page 5 RE:your 2nd post…wish you’d do it to all my postings
to those who yell ‘kanuous'(because the truth hurts) what this about kanous.as if its some kind of plague, YES WE ARE KANOIM AND PROUD OF IT!!!!!!,hey.irhakodesh, we can also insert exclamation points, even more than one (we say its toichach,really dont know the difference)..and pshute yid , dont worry about what the holy geon hageonim the chazon ish said about kanuous…dont pick and choose. you dont even go on the derech of the chazon ish…like those who are oiver on kol hatorah kilo (not you) and when its pointed out to them they cry,’ahavas yisroel,loshon hora, sinas chinom etc,’..the eibishter didnt put those mitzvos for your convieniance so when it suits you, to pull it out of your hat and wave and say ‘it let me do my thing (judaism that you feel comfortable with) and we should observe ‘loshon horah etc..’besides we pointed out many times where and why these mitzvos are not shayech to these cases…..this post belong to following link….. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/out-of-the-mailbag-do-as-i-do/page/3#postform
to ir hakodesh..either you dont know the meaning of those terms or we dont understand vi kumt hodo zu bodu .so we’ll try to take each one . your first parag..’you’ll try to dan me l’kaf zecus’. since that term is noigay as what you think of the sub. which in this case is mir, so you dont have to dan me l’kaf zechus since i dont know you and you dont me,also couldnt care less what you think of me. mir thinks that we dont have what to be embarrased from you,so you dont have to be matriach to dan me l’kaf zechus (by the way ‘dan l’kaf zechus’ is for the benfit of the ‘dan’ not the ‘nidon’ too long pshetel..if any one will volunteer?) now 4:30 am (yes time stamp we’ll read later but thats when were sending it)have to go to learn,we cant use bar illan cd’s so we need to fill up with the real b’kious not falshe b’kious from mokiros hatmayim so ei’yhs next post we’ll continue
to those who say pinchos asked first…very itelligent observation…so 1)since moshe rabbainu was around ,its ‘b’gader morah halacha bifnai rabbo’, even if the halacha is obvious, 2)how do you compare a ‘dinai nefoshos’,to go admonishing one who posts anti toireh ,malik al divrei chahamim etc.. sometime the am haratzes shown by some posters are..
to amued reader page..4 very easy way to shut down this coffee room l’gabay your problem, just dont log on to it and ‘puff’ the problem is solved…oi, mir wish we can solve our problems so simply…
TO PAHUTE YID PAGE 5..L’GABAY THE BAR ILLAN CD..A MASKIL CAME TO THE NETZIV’S TOWN AND SAID HE WILL ONLY MENTION MEMRES FROM SHAS MIDRASHIM ETC.., SO THE TZADDIK TOLD HIM EVEN KOSHER MEAT THATS COOKED IN TREFEHPOT BECOME TREIFEH, AND THE MEKOR IS ‘SEFER TOIRAH SH’KOSVO MIN YISOREF…’, YES YOULL COME WITH YOUR PIPILUM SHEL HAVEL WHY ITS DIFFERENT AND WE WILL COME WITH OUR PILPILUM SHEL HAVEL WHY NOT..SO YOU STICK TO YOUR BAR ILLAN CD AND ME DONT TOUCH SUCH THINGS WE’LL STICK TO ENCYCLOPIDIA TALMUDIST(?) WHAT EVER THAT IS, ASK SAMMY GOL, JUST KIDDING ..WE’LL STICK TO THE CD WITH THE NATURAL COMPUTER CHIPS THE HEILIGE BASHEFER IMPLANTED IN MY BRAIN. BY US ‘CHAREDI’, WE DONT READ NO MATTER HOW CLEAN A BOOK IS, IF ITS FROM KOIFRIM, ETC. SFORIM SAY JUST THE WORDS HAVE HASHPOEH ON THE READER , NOW ,NOW TAKE IT EASY, YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT THE BAR ILLAN CD PASKENS FOR YOU…BUT THIS IS THE SHITA OF HEILIGE ‘MYTH BEARING’ REVISIONIST’ REBBES ….
TO IRHAKODESH…CAN YOU TAKE EACH PRAT THAT YOU MENTIONED FROM PIRKEI AVOT AND EXPLAIN HOW PERTAINS HERE ? EG:HEVEI DAN KAL ADAM L’KAF ZESCHUS..YOU ‘THIS AND THIS’ WHY ARNT YOU DAN LKAF ZECHUS? SO WE CAN UNDERSATAND WHATS THE PROBLEM
to feif un, page 4.the mishne berureh is in s’u orach chaim 91 seuf katen 12..but like we mentioned,, he sais if the derech is to go with hat…see ibid.so thats why we mentioned in uor post ,since those yidden go wiyhout hat so its permisable for them,but we no poiseck.
to will hill and whats wrong with kanoes that they yell kanuous? its mitzvah essay d’oiriese ‘ hochaiach, tochiach’..yes mr working man you’ll come with your secular education…and say ‘let those who are without sin cast the first stone'(see not only do we know the saying ‘holier than thou’ but also this which is worse concept than ‘holier…’even thou according to you we didnt get such a thing as ‘SECULAR EDUCATION’ which we did..
to ujm.. the letter writer did not addrdess this issue…most do some dont..and none would say wont be mesader if they hold, so whats your point?
to cantoresg… page3..and the archeologists statements is as valid ‘ k’moshe mipi hagvurah’?, are these the kind of people that you rely on ‘historical truths’?(remember article ‘charedi weeklies’ may 3, 08?, wont go searching again so kinly cantor esq..have always ready at your fingertips, because we are not going to let anyone forget about your anti ‘myth bearing, revisionist ‘ rabbis which was and is tzaddikai gedolai oilom..) so what shmutz archeologists say, is hitorical truths, but what, lets say , the wholy tzadik, einikel of the chasam soifer writes in ‘chut hamshilesh’ is mythbearing, now we got you more into your net, ‘bor kurh vyachpereihu, vayipol beshacas yifol…tehilem 4-5 (?0
to joseph if you look in shevuous 30a..the first piece of ra’n from gemmoroh, also 1st piece rosh gemmorah, mashmah that ‘kol kevida bas melech penimah’ tehilem 44 p.14 is not a issur but bedrech mussur shouldnt drei zeich tzufeil by men…’hinai huoheloh’..rashi ‘tzeniah hu’..means since strangers (the malachim)came, so altz tzunious she went in, ‘hu oihaloh..’no, not because of inferior, etc..we are not going into the subject of goireum histaklus etc.which quite a few posters dont even know what it means (accorsing to postings on this subject in other articles)any way see chosehn mispat brings this halacha 123 seuf 1 aruch hashilchon…’ v’noshim yekoros…’ see there, cant bring whole halacha, but why only noshim ‘yekoros’..so pshat she can use this as reason not to to come to bes din but not that its assur to go.. so if you cabn enlighten me as where its paskened as ‘ISSUR’, no bderech mussar, to go out..
to nameless..the biggest tzadikim of al generations had and have this minhuk and they call it minhuk koidesh so you dont even have to be meharer on it…now we think, maybe wrong dont mean to hack,on not chasidishe helige teire yidden..but by not chasidishe when the kalleh comes in, in middle with chason by men side and chasens friends are there is also not so pashute oisgehaltan,and the mechites parts ..and you get the rest…on the other hand mitzvah tantz is usually when guests went home and only close fam. stays..some are makpid to send unmarried bocherim home… also the chassidishe are more makpid during wedding b’noigayah tarivous in hall ,smorg,etc..than the not chassidishe. now we are not sayng this as hocking on them, but if we consider what this letter write mentions about the rosh hayeshivas ..we think its fair to say that its more oigehalten the mitzvah tantz then the minhuk of bringing kalleh with chasen in middle..now some will come ‘the gemmorah sais ‘katzad merakdin lifnaei hakaleh..’ keyuboth 17a etc, etc the chassidishe also know of this gemm.but who sais it means the unmarried bacharim..very few can say ‘dome ulaei kekeshirah..’ again please everybody we are not saying this out of hate , narrow minded…so the question is not ‘what the litvishe , washington heights, lubabitch teiereh yidden ,have against the mitzvah tantz but ….see above
to pashute yid..PS to our former post, see s’u ohrech chaim 53 seuf 18 l’gabay reason not wanting to daven in colored clothing is posile for sheluach tzibbur …not the first time you came with your am hartzishon pshat ( remember YOUR paht tosfos bruchous 5b d’h “dina belo dina”?).(what happend to your ‘bar illan’ cd). wont bother to find link ,takes too much time,and waste anyway because you all are not miode al huenmes and try to weasle out of every post of yours we refer you too…
to just me.. we dont even start to believe this story..have been to all kinds of ‘black hatters’ shule and seen plenty times when such tiere yidden dressed like that(blue shirt, small kippah etc,{shorts havent seen, but if yes and were asked to leave is understandable..) were there , and were treated with utmost respect, so either he is lying, or you’re makeng up this story or there is more to it then meets the eye..(yes we consider them heilige tiere yidden…what all these posters are against is guys like rabbi of maskilim, cantor esg, “not so’ pashute yid, less chumres,sinisent etc (b’h havent heard from him awhile so we dont have to put up with another un- chareidi, but we REALLY wish him health and gut yohr) who knimrod gibbor tzeid, come on ehrliche toireh site and mock when heilige gedolim talk about tznoius etc., or when meran hagoan hatzaddike elishev issues issur to certain weeklies (article chareidy weeklys may 3 ,08) they mock..(because truth hurts) and so with every issue that they give hisoirrous drasha…
to feif un page 1..you say “when you were dating…a shiiduch was suggested…” now, we c’v dont want to insinuate anything negetive about holy geyrim (see what mentionined from “alshich hakadosh” in one post here about geyrim,..but your case is different as you mentioned a prat about yourselve way back in feb., so..
to think big page 3..ysher koach for that “v’da mah shetoshive l’apikorsim”..also that story whiththos 60 soldiers was RABBI GROSSMAN of midol ohoirhe discorabbi..a tzaddik of our generatio and dont be impressd by his ‘torah’ as he mentioned one of his posts he uses a cd from bar ilan univercity…reminds me of story..a maskil came to town of the n’tziv and wanted to darshen , and told netziv “i’ll only qout medroshim etc..so the netziv told him ‘even kosher meat that is cooked in treife pot becomes treif’ (sefer torah s’kosvoi min yisoref’ so here its doble, from bar illan, and throug ..(after all he keeps admitting he is uncharedi, as he keeps on hockin on charedi
to illini07..yes ,yes what you want to understand we see you understand pretty good..the truth hurts..also we learn with our chavrusos yiddis..didnt even occur to you, huh?…vos tit zuch with lo shini es leshonom..(before you start crying like the other poster way back, ‘WE ARE IN ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY’,)when not addressing fellow countrymen..also also we who learne shulchen urech a few times and TRY,not that we do (we are refering to comment by you or sinisent way back..) to adhere ,are msiguided..and you with all your ” anti” comments thruout , are on the right ‘guide..and remeber look throut posting how many posters have this shita of you yes they are misguided by every seuf in shulchen urech and you are properly ‘guided’ by the the ‘holy’ seclar studies that giude you (we refer thae mismash of oir v’choshech.)
to pahute yid..afraid you said too much..you mention about gemmorah l’gabay colored clothing..the reason there is because there was certain sect of avodah zarah who were makpid to pray in white.. by the way pahute yid ..can you give some samples that differenciate bet. chreidi and not chreidi..we mean, what does non-chared do or not do as opposed to chreidi and remember you labled your self non-chreidi here and many posts thruout….and one diff. that is the chreidi dress black, non chreidi dress even colored we will not accept…
the ‘big one’ said a big one and that whats its all about, but like all say depends on the circanstaanses..how they accepted his conversion..in the haggadah of the holy kehilos yackov about a ger,very temimesdik,learned in kollel all day and received stipend for support from his biological father …there was another shileh that arose but this was no problem (hagadas hakehilos yackov page 313 ,middle of page)
this is a real lost case…we put back sefer used even when was on table before and didnt take out….
by the way on the subject of geirim..the shloh hakaodes says pshat “ger shenisgayer kekatan s’hnold”..that when one converts ‘maknim bo min hshomayin nefash chadosho MITACHAS KISAY HAKOVOD’ vayikara 19 (page 141a 1st column, in the 5 volume print){cantor, rah-bbi or berlin etc its not for you ,you dont beliieve in these myths}
to caantor esg..page 7 ..we have mentioned to you on other article to your comment above ..that there is ‘harbe panim l’torah’ and there is a ‘megaleh panim l’torah’, you are from the latter as we have pointed out from your postings all over see there..
to illini07 page one you didnt realize “we’re not allowed to socialize with..” tell us , and what is the whole issur of “pitom and v’yaynom” for..also thepasuk v’korah l’choh v’achalta mizifcho…”also it will bring to “..gemmorah and dont you DARE say its only because of chasah oivad avodah zarah, chasnos”
the problem with these anti “myth bearing ,revisionts rabbis” etc.(his term not mine)is not that they dont belive this stoy but the dont belive this whole concept plus others ….se our post regarding this issue (if mderator will post..
to nameless..cantor esg and his friends will faster believe that santa claus will fill his stockings down the chimeny than belive in these “myth bearing , revisionist” stories(his language .if want reference will post) . see sefer “sipirei chassidim” from harav zeven on the posik “vlo cohaso eino vlo nos leicho” , he brings mayses of tzaddikim the they had to be transported and they were as fresh as the day they died, mir can bring what we read recently in one of the artstrolll a similar story but too long. may nexrt post e’yiha..as matter of fact af friend of mine mentioned similar story on the holy igros moishe..next post..” remeber this poster is against chreidi belives ..see his posting may 3 article “charedi weeklies”
to pashute yid page 4..so the halchos of tfila, among them,that we stand with aimoh v’yirah before the riboni shel oilom like before a king to who is this haloche is refered to? moav, christians,bnaei eisav, etc ?
working man..let us answer your “intellligent..”. we went to ysehivah, the size is irrelevant, they provided with something, its called toireh with yiras shomayin etc,(not that we meet those qualifications as you meet your “secular education”qualif.) as opposed to your big yeshivah that provided you with something called secular education (whats that, never heard of it)besides that, they also taught us to write complete sentences (which we are not particular to use), which is completely unimportant to be a ehrlicha yid but only important to conduct business with your fellow countrymen,.again, yes we hard the term “holier than thou,” have secular education too (dont need it to have heard it, so dont know why you say have secular ed ,to hear the “term holier than thou”,but we mentioned that never heard it used by bnei toireh ,lakewood, belz, telz, biyon,satmar etc.. you take solace to know we’re ehrlicher yid is irrelevant to this discussion …if you dont mind can you explain how derech eretz kadma l’torah comes in here? ..we think you should put your “secular education” aside and learn some anoveh(eikev anoveh, yiesh..see mesilas yeshorim)
p.s. to my post pg 2. some complain, in other articles, that we bring our “proofs” to “points” we make from the “talmud”…(their comments are in sarcasam {hyphens are in their postings , )..since we’re not aqauinted with new test…, koran and its interpetations,shakespheare,henry wadsfel longfellow,etc so we’re “stuck” c’vs and have to bring our “points” from talmud etc.
to pashuteyid..so as one can call the president all kind you dirty names even 3 +1 letter words ,(remenmber 2-3 years ago the kid who came to school with sweat shirt and picture of pres. bush with wording “bush is a terrorist”..so follows we can do the same?..so the reyou we think is shvach…but one can say since its the derech in those particular shule to daven just with yarmulka so is not showing lack of koved(dont know halcha so , just museing ). It is mentoined in shulchen urech one should have double head covering when making brocha…
choni hamgol slept 70 years (tanis 23),is it mentioned in guinness book of world records? If not we shouldnt believe it?.Rip van vinkle we definately dont believe, but pretty sure its derived from this story in tanis. some say the author of “frankestein”,, the idea came from the golem that the MEHAREL MIPRAG created…by the way wolfmusing does the guinness book mention the “golem? on the other hand,maybe you means since it was resently we shoul’ve heard about it
. on the other hand the use of the term “urban jewish legends ” that wolf uses…trying to comprehend what you mean, so the tanis gemmrah included?
to joseph page5…will link again this article see cantors posts #24 and on. and then they cry we call everyone koifer, we have diffront OPINION(sic) and the whole pshetel. also you had asked him this page if torah grain of salt etc, we asked him same way back if he holds every din in shulchen urech binding, untill this day coudlnt figure out his weasling out of question …looking for it, will im’yhs find and post it Link
to working man..we have yet to come accros a ehrliche yid use the term “holier than thou” it seeped into your vocabulary from the goishe gass, so please you really had me “scared” with such strong psak, “un-migitated chutzpah”. and yes there is such a thing as holier than the next person. isnt a big tzaddik bigger madreigeh than the one less than him (and of course a real tzaddik considers himself the lowest ..)and so on so what kind of cliche’ is this? so pipe down…
to josepf and feivel ..see shulchen urech ohrech chaim 608 seuf 2 ramah and mishne berureh 3 and on..
to illini07 page3..to late, your posts are there for all to see…”v’cholmasaycha b’sayfer nichtiovim”…now again…its not what you wrote or not, l’gabay halach we pointed out there a few times..WHEN IT COMES TO OIVREI AVAIRA. KOCH TO BURIED IN .., BLIND REFORM (WHATEVER THAT MEANS) CLERIC, REFORM (WHATEVER…) SUPPORTS LOCAL IMMAN (not going to bother to post links the 3 here are more than enough, you jump on the bandwagon and you are malamed zechus with al kinDS of divrei doife…but when ehrliche shomer torah yidden and at that time we didnt even know who did it (“crown heights man assulted”” you have the gall to say jews are JUST, YOU HEAR WHAT YOU SAID, JUST!! as capable,(and of course you meant ehrliche “ghetto jews, not like you friend the blind ..cleric etc.. )so this gave you away beyond shadow of doubt that you hate ehrliche shomreu torah unmitzvos yidden so what you haking a chinik that i am self righteous,holier than thou so, yes good, so i am, that doesnt absolve you and now stop crying that we bring those links,you should have thought of consequenses before posting…so all you gemmoros all you toirehs has nothing to do ..
to letter writer #2 you say there will not be a klall yisroel in 20 years…there will be yidden untill mosiach comes “ki lo sishokach m’pi zaro” there are b’h 100,s of thousands ,and going, ehrliche yidden, ehrliche temmimudike vos fun zei vet zeich tzien de goldene kite vaiter. But you who dont want “talibanization” afre lpima (eh ,cantor,pahetu yid, etc,?) (You used the term not us)so all the chumres and gedorim that the tanoim, amoroim, geonim, of all generation instituted, which prserves klall yisroel, and your crowd machen avek “extreme, taliban,not in this day and age, amish, stone age,etc, etc, those take have the chashash of yours (in 20 years…). and that was the end result of all movements thruout the generations (christianity, karaim, haskala reform consrevstive reconstructonists, humanist, v’abizraihu.{yes cantor, ilini07, rabbiof berlin etc} you start peeling off those layers bit by bit and your left without yiddishkeit..and thats what “secular studies’ got(cantoresq’s got) hot oichet tzugeholfen
to letter writer..you say “the rabbonim, the rabonnim” what is this, the rabbonim are your baby stitters? if some thing is very wrong b’rochnious YOU have to get up there and be moiche, not go crying to RABBONIM, since when are the RABBONIM baby sitters? the rabbonim are to pasken sheilos and not run after ADULTS with a stick to make sure you keep them! also from our experience of years of going to summer resort, such behavior are usually accompanied with plenty grobe avairos so what are you doing in such place to begin with? “hayechate ish b’gecholim v’raglov lo tikuvenu?”..so you should FLY out of such place…. the way you decribe how the girls and their mothers go dressed, to say its not a mokom torah is an understatement no matter how many dafi-yomi or other sheurim is given there…so as es brent a fire loift men…you dont scream “RABBONIM, RABBONIM”
to feif un..page 4…not, not because of just 1 or 2 posts , but your general comments all over way back…
to pashute yid..page 5..your slipping up again…like the first time we bumped into you and you were comparing dass torah to taliban, talibanization, now say we want our women to dress like nuns afre l’pima ..then complain why other posters have you on the pro freikeit list..look thruout articles you’ll see plenty posters who have that shito on you and those other posters so dont jump on me (not that we care..)now even you would’ve een right, which isnt the case, but just to be medame to taliban, nuns dos alein shows your character… we will try to find your comment way back and link it anyone remember where ?
to nameless..where does “v’chao bohem” come in your pshetel…you say “…women dressed in tznious didnt keep bais hamikdosh from burning” very intelligent observasion…might as well say that to the whole torah..SO WE SHUoLD DISREGArd OTHER MITZVOS TOO ACCORDING TO YOUR deduction. Also, you say men go with short pants,also nit klug geret…those men who wear short pants usually their wives wear pants ,also shott ones and sleeveless so whats your complaint..now watch “THOSE” posters on the attack, HATE,LOSHON HORAH MOITZE SHEM RAH blah blah,. did i say who ,which where, so dont have guilty conshence (conscience, for those who are particular about spelin’). and ,no, mr i cant help, we didnt run to our lcal rov and ask permission to say these words..v’yigbor libo b’darkai hashem..
to charlie brown page 4..so who said im not a basket case(, but any way tha only link we have is YWN and whaen we have to remind someone what he said we go to that date and link it (in the search box .top left…)
to iamsamiam….page 6.. so how is the tznious issue working out in your family, as you sound so expert? why didn all the mussar seforim think of such a pashute solution.as matter fact , never mind
to mr pashute yid,page 3,,, you mke it too complicated, give people a break, all it take is to mezalze or to avekmachen a din in shulchen urech…which is very easy…and we dont mean to gebrogts,carry or not carry in eurev which has respected rabbonim on both sides…(and that poster is es medame to dovor haoser l’chol hadaeious..we are talking of rabbonim, not rah-bonim
to “i can only try”…what can i tell you me thinks your a basket case(RE:googeling me ) also you say “more modern..”how should we know who is more modern.there is no pictures posted we are debating what is posted and if we feel its against halacha we state so with reyous from shulchemn urech, gemmorah etc..,we might be wrong, so say so with REYOUS,not OPINIONS.. see our post on this subject (of “opinions” on other posts cant always repeat!!!!(got scared?) ) so we cant run like a little child to my rov for every little thing that is elementary..which seems not to be the case by you..
to “i can only try” what can we say, you didnt try hard enough…please tuch up your reading comprihension…we asked “give a SPECIFIC example of each camplain so we can correct or refut not the meaning of those terms now we will give you ONE MORE CHANCE