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The media never gives you anything other than their opinions. What I see is this. There has been 4 or 5 other riots just this week, not in DC. This effects common folks.
The riots you mentioned over the last year, where cities were declared “total losses”, that only effects people like me or people I know.

People protesting inside a public building that’s where all the reporters hang out and people think they’re royalty? IMPEACH….IMPEACH.
We’re all supposed to be concerned and care more about rich people in DC than everyone else and what they have to go through in this country. That’s the problem.

If we’re going to discuss abortion, someone needs to point out that what’s legal in America is illegal in most of the world but for China. America has the loosest abortion laws in the entire world.
How about that?

You didn’t say anything about proving who you are. Why does it take more security to take out a library book than to vote on a machine run by Biden’s Brother-in-Law that showed 800% more errors than the FTC allowed?

To charliehall, and congrats, instead now you have a guy who is appointing anti-semities left and right to WH positions (what are we up to, 4,5, 6? I lost count) , which at least distract us from his moral degeneracy (ie perversions and crookedness). That’s a win right?

When all is said and done, it would not surprise me if the Supreme Court changes the rules so that the nonsense in Michigan and Georgia will never legally happen again. There are laws in place in western states where this nonsense doesn’t happen. We should not be propping up a system of legal cheating.
Also, Most Presidents were inaugurated in March, not January.

Just because something has been done before doesn’t make it right, moral, or sometimes even in the spirit of the law.

The electoral college elects the president and decides the winner. This occurs in late December (Dec 23rd I believe this year).

Look at it this way. In 2016, up until late December, Hollywood and the media were pleading with the electors of the electoral college (made up of 538 people) to not vote with the voters, and go their own way. IE: “faithless electors”.
If the media was not the decider of the election then, what makes them the decider now? Why are they not asking for faithless electors on Biden?

We have a system in place, it’s hundreds of years old. The editors of the AP will come and go. Their argument is what atheism gets you. Self-importance.

Also a UN delegation visited in 2012 to see the American system. They were in shock that you can vote on the honor system. No ID, no nothing. The worlds largest democracy, India, has ID.

It’s not opinion. There is not more than one doctor who “doesn’t believe in [masks]” for every one doctor who does. These are not theories like global warming or other such things, these are actual scientific facts of things that actually do happen. The sky is blue. Blinds and shades block sunlight and stop people from looking in, and masks stop your viral shedding from flying 6-25 feet across the room just as it severely diminishes any viral load you inhale.

A previous poster is spot on about teleworking. There are bosses who hate this, and micromanage. There’s even those who are resentful that you’re not in the office “they” pay for. There’s no reason we didn’t telecommute a decade ago, and the same characters will make it not the normal in the next 10 years.
How many years have people been complaining about the inefficient waste of time corporate activity called “the meeting”. Yet they still do it.

Also, why the obsession with electing so-called “centrist” (code word for less radical democrat). You either want success, or failure. What’s wrong with copying what every other country does on immigration? I don’t see anyone protesting from Mexico to New Zealand on their immigration systems that is Trumps plan. What’s wrong with Free Trade? Why should we reverse all of the fixed trade deals and lowered tariffs? What’s wrong with lower taxes allowing people to actually spend and invest versus giving it to a corrupt government?
Centrism may as well be called hidden leftism.

I live very far away. My county was one of those mentioned in the New York Times about this very topic.
First, I saw an article last week that said China alerted the WHO in January (I think it said January)when they had a mysterious unusual cluster of people dying of pneumonia with no explanation. Most people will now say (yeah, but they lied and covered it up before then!). HOWEVER, back to that New York Times article!

In January/February the coroner in my county was one of many around the nation that said they had a mysterious and unusual spike of people dying from pneumonia. They all tested negative for the flu and no one knew what it was. I have many friends who had a real bad flu this year, and all tested negative. I lost count of the #. Non-Jewish, I live very far away. It was a mystery, and everyone moved on. I don’t recall hearing anyone notified the WHO.

Think about this the next time. And think about China trying to eradicate the virus, while America goes and…wishes it away? This isn’t fair, as really, we are pinning our hopes on vaccines and treatments to save the country.

When the world discussed the need for masks, at the same time the CDC said no. I didn’t trust them then, but I wanted to know why so I went on the CDC website, dug around the thousands of links until I found their bulletin. It gave me two reasons. A) I shouldn’t buy or wear a mask because I don’t know how to put it on. Many infectious disease hospitals in east asia have very good 1 minute videos about how to seal the mask. So that’s not an issue to me. But then, there’s the reason you said. B) The CDC says masks don’t work, but we should save and donate masks, or even fabric masks to doctors and nurses. I had no clue we hated doctors and nurses so much.
I tell everyone I meet its a big world out there, and since we’re on the internet, follow someone elses CDC where the virus isn’t running out of control as though we’re as helpless as a little Iran.

Why are people talking about slavery in past tense? There are more slaves – people owned today than in the 19th century. That does not include women who are trafficked, aka white slavery, which is a pandemic as well.

Also, imagine? We have facilities named after, and monuments to Nazi’s in this country. Who do you think got us to the moon? There was a small protest about 2 years ago about it. The response was this: But he did great things for the community and local area. We need to look past those old crimes (of the 1930’s and 40’s), while also worrying instead about the 16th century.
There is only one group that matters in the US’s perception of “diversity”. Otherwise, I wouldn’t make sense.

The rest of the Jewish world has no clout either. I think about this, especially as today as my former secular university is going to give a humanitarian award to a very outspoken anti-semite. They keep streets named for such, statues etc. I see hypocrisy everyday. Why should it be just the frum world, why not all Jews, and quite honestly, all Americans??? There are Jews out there who are disconnected and see it too.
I think it’s because in 3 or so generations, there’s no one to transmit values, culture or “religion” to them anymore. It’s one thing to have a parent or grandparent from the old country. But someone who is 15 or 30 today, who doesn’t go to Chabad and keeps to theirself?
At least in the beginning, when Hollywood was still Jewish, I saw an amazing interview that everyone, even the non-Jewish people spoke Yiddish!
We can’t have islands of different factions. Even if its hard to re-educate people who know nothing except western/christian drama’s on television, anything is better. I heard a Rabbi say that if all of this was lost in just 2 generations, imagine how easy it would be to get it back in 2!

No one mentioned if all the major corporations were giving money to looters and rioters back then like they do now. They talk a lot about “mother nature”, so the plague will take care of it soon.

The Kennedy Center for the performing arts deserve the money more than we do. I should do the math again before I post, but in 4 or 5 stimulus bills, last time I counted, 6 trillion. Divide that by the number of people in the US, and how much should you have gotten instead of 1,200? Enough money that the economy could’ve been kept afloat just on the usual consumer spending.
So, why do we stimulate the middle man instead?

Also, check the records. I didn’t see Trump ever mention reopening the way he does now until the first time Pelosi refused to pass a stimulus. It was at that moment we all know there was not going to be an economic pause, and no American Royalty was going to give us multiple checks as promised to help us ride out the virus. It took China 2 months to eliminate the invisible enemy, “we” couldn’t bother in the first weeks. I follow a conservative/libertarian whatever you want to call it, but an emergency is an emergency and a pause with temporary UBI would’ve saved a lot of lives and still counting.

We have a large group in this country who doesn’t believe there even is a pandemic. have you seen the images of the protestors for one small example? We have another large group in this country who believes the virus never ever touches a “young” (undefined) and “healthy” (very undefined). If we take these facts, and combine it with the participation rate of other newer vaccines which is actually relatively low (Hepatitis, HPV, and some others I never heard of) , I don’t expect a lot of people will be getting the vaccine. Then there are the other people who might be reasonable and don’t want to be first for a vaccine that was rushed to market.
There’s a lot of people from Maine to California who refuse to cover their mouth and wear a mask. I don’t expect them to get an injection. If they wore a mask, we’d be in a position where I wouldn’t even be forced to get invasive injections. Why is this preferable to a mask? That is my own opinion, however.
America, land of individualism and me me me. Leave the Jews out of it for once. There’s too many others out there.

We all think the grass is greener on the other side. Of course it is sometimes, and sometimes it never is. As someone who has gone around the red states for quite some time, although this is confirmed by the news, they did nothing. Not a single one followed Trumps 14 days to slow the spread guideline. None are opening per White House Guidelines either. Some were even shocked that other agencies had the power to close restaurant dining rooms when they refused to give the order. Some are now passing laws to strip and move their authority so that their states will not “close” again, and to grant immunity to your employer for forcing you to work in unsafe conditions.
Here is what we heard. It’s just China, no one knows what goes on over there! Iran is despotic, that’s not a fair warning about the disease. Italy isn’t so bad, don’t listen to that. We’re not Europe. We’re not New York. We’re not California. We’re not….we’re not….we’re not. And deny ourselves right into the epicenter.
Some of the red states have a higher virus rate than whole countries have. Whole countries will re-open virus free and have an economy. No one is going to the reopened malls in the red states. The workers don’t even know why they’re sitting there waiting.
How are we going to compete with healthy countries? This is Hope and Change personified!
Secondly, they disinfect cities and hose down all the trains overseas, from Mexico to Moscow. Why is New York just starting sanitation in May?

akuperma you interchanged the words “seriously ill” and defined it by the death rates.
You can get seriously ill and not die. You can be a young person and get the covid toe from all the blood clotting. You get a heart attack and stroke.
But even more worrisome, you can be seriously ill and not die. And you can lay on your stomach for 3 weeks with trouble breathing, which feels serious enough to me.

This is too basic.

As an outsider of sorts, I liked the start of the thread. I notice a lifestyle and high end attitude that I am not accustomed to myself in certain circles. At first I thought that maybe some of you guys are brought up with a higher aspiration than I did in my neighborhood.
Regardless, my point is in the replies which concern me. Someone made the joke about new versus old cars. Same here in my secular high school, college, and so on. Why did they drive new cars and not 10 year old ones? The non-Jewish world is even more entitled! Look at the “I want a haircut” people outside of New York. It is going to upset you to hear, but a chunk of them do not believe that the virus is that bad, and some don’t believe it even exists! Yes, that is not a typo and what you have to deal with out there. You are talking in a way that the worst is behind you and the future. About half of the nation is so entitled, that they’re just going to deem it safe, and ignore the consequences to return to normal (for them) as quick as possible. This thing is far from over. Maybe it is in other countries, but not here. The more I ponder this the harder time I have. Entitled for going to school versus entitled with silly expressions I won’t type out and going to a parade or concert during a pandemic because you feel like it, and whatever happens happens.
I disagree.

Maybe the problem here is, I don’t see what’s so different or exclusive other than the fact that we have the option to go somewhere as great as Israel. But then, these entitled I want a haircut folks travel too. In some countries it’s called Gap year and they take a year off from college, that’s their culture, a years vacation during college! So, maybe the problem isn’t so much that you wanted to marry someone pretty, and then calling that entitled. Maybe it has to do with the world at large. Should we have this near libertarian “to each their own” mentality for the world? Have you seen any American politicians or groups apologize and say they were wrong to ignore and downplay the virus and do nothing. The mayor of NY, the MTA head, anyone else. Or are they all entitled so as to pretend they’re some quick thinking savior? So far I’ve seen the head of France apologize and talk unity and that is it. Everyone else is taking credit where they failed.
There’s something wrong in this society and its views towards life, and they’re going to give you a second wave of covid if civilization isn’t exported somehow. I thought I saw international unity and cooperation with no borders 2 months ago. Now I see protests, divisions, and haircut battles in the US. A pandemic can’t even bring these people together!

Let me give you another perspective. From coast to coast in America, on neighborhood bulletin boards, and all social media, I see people complaining that that they’re not complying. Families are going shopping like there is nothing going on at all. Kids in playgrounds where it hasn’t been taped off yet. I see it on youtube too. We still have (non-jews) who don’t believe in the threat. I’ve even seen these complaints happening in East Asia.
I say this so no one gets the mindset that its only some Jewish people giving a bad name to their complying neighbors. That is not true whatsoever at all. In actual reality, the question should be why are some people not listening and being a rebel. Not that we should be embarrassed because of our neighbors around the world who also are ignoring everything (including even some of the Governors!) are pointing us out. Also, In some countries Muslim groups have been defying their bans too.

I didn’t expect anyone to relay my cries to shut it all down back in mid-February, but to continue to ignore it past March 3rd screams of some deeper issue.

How come I see these statements randomly posted on various boards at the same time. Is there some cut-and-paste email or tweet blast out there?
And what is with this fascination with death? How many fatalities would impress you. A big mass grave like in Iran?
How many should have the trauma of being in intensive care? Well, that’s if you have a million hospital beds available to them all at once.

Which is probably the reason why only East Asians wear masks all the time culturally and they tell Americans not to. A problem of messed up values. But I speak of the nation as a whole, not those on the board here.

The infection rate of this thing is many many many many (4x) higher than the flu. Even though, while I saw 4x, I also saw that one person here infects 400-500 people versus 40 people for the flu on average. But anyway, fatality rate? Who knows. In Asia, and China, they disinfect the entire cities, the buses, the subways, the stores, the trees, the sidewalks, and if you get it, you end up in those military hospitals where the doctors work themselves to death right there in front of you.
Do you think your city is clean, disinfected, or has enough doctors and equipment? I’ve been hearing about doctor shortages and room shortages since Obamacare needed to be passed. And those sidewalks and trains? yuck.
I don’t think we know anything realistic as it pertains to us over here until it spreads really good in a western country. I just heard cases jumped 50% in Italy today.

Remember those emergency days where they tell businesses to send people home to save energy? I think my couple of LED lights etc take up less energy once a week than all of these office towers leaving their computers on 24/7 and all weekend.
I bet if this were comprehensively looked at the one day a week would help.

One more question. Don’t you people have something called “tourists”? Are we going to travel from other countries or states with a suitcase full of bags to bag everything we buy ourselves???

I got my camera, my diaper bag, and a bag of 30 bags for (you pick the person) tshirts and jeans for the European, Judiaca for the out of towner. and so on.
This is not the place for this law.