Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Per @kolhaolam WILLIAMSBURG: A wedding set for tonight at VYoel Moshe was postponed after the Chusson from Belgium got the Measles. He was reportedly vaccinated
But it’s obviously the vaccines fault Because otherwise he would have gotten it years ago
@Dooms I was wondering if vaccines are what you say they are and the drug companies paid off the whole world then why doesn’t the insurance companies who are worth hundreds of billions of dollars (Aetna was bought for 70 billion) fund a study to show the truth? Aren’t the vaccines and they’re side effects costing them a fortune to treat ? If drug companies make money then insurance companies lose money. Why can’t They hook up with some of your scientist to Protect themselves ?
Second I am curious as to whether you believe that vaccines stopped the deadly diseases decades ago never the less you believe that there are serious side effects or you don’t really believe vaccines had any real benefit and the whole thing is a scam from a-z
And being that the study shows the same rate for both then this proves that mmr does not cause autism and therefor you can add both groups together and get the same rate as there is no difference between the people in the group precisely because we proved mmr is a non factor. And so too if you take any 8000 from the 86000 you should get the same rate.
I called it genetic autism as opposed to mmr , if you wanna day it comes from the water or bread we eat that too is ok, we are disproving mmr not that it’s genetics as opspoed to bacteria in water
You write non mmr isn’t a factor in genetic autism, of course it isn’t but they don’t have the factor that is being blamed for autism so any case they have must be caused by something else be it Air or water genetics or bread, and that is precisely what we are trying to determine is all autism non vaccines related or not
I think it is a waste of time responding to you, you’re intention must be to obfuscate people because What you are writing is sheer stupidity. It feels silly to respond to your post but I’ll try anyway.
You wrote you first need to tell me now many non mmr people get autism. Now I can’t figure out how you would go about it but I can tell you how anyone else would, take any group of people and do the ratio and there you have it. So if vaccines don’t cause autism then you can measure any group of people or in our case any 8000 people and you would have your rate . However some people believe that vaccines cause autism and therefor vaccinated people have an additional risk to Austism than a human without mmr. So we take 2 groups of people one with mmr and one without mmr and study each group separately to get the rate of austism and then compare the rates . And if the rate of non mmr is 1-113 that means any group of 8000 people out of the 7billion humans ok earth will have that rate of austism in it(obviously some adjusting is needed ) so your claim that you can’t look at the 8 without the 86 is crazy.@keej123
1- in your understanding how would a study ever be done to prove mmr doesn’t cause autism
2-if the rate of autism is 1-500 then why does a group of 7500 non mmr kids have more than 15 autistic kids ? (68 no less)and what does that have to do with the other 7 billion people on this planet. Please explain@keej123 I don’t have the foggiest clue of what you are trying to suggest and how you can claim that these numbers as we see them don’t prove that taking mmr does not expose own to higher risk of autism.
If the real rate of “genetic” autism is 1 in 500 then how come in 8000 non vaxxers we don’t see that rate ? And don’t tell me it really is 1 in 500 however there are more than 8000 people because it’s not true if you add more than 8000 people then you need to add more autism cases . And if you are saying 8000 is to small a sample size and the numbers can be skewed as randomly more autistic kids than usual for 8000 kids ended up in this group of kids then just say so.
Why is this so complicated, if people who smoked 3 packs a day had the same cancer rate as those who smoked 4 packs a day that would prove that smoking a 4th pack does not increase the risk of cancer but obviously not that cancer isn’t caused by smoking ( that might be an unlikely reality to observe but technically possible)
Same here MMr does not cause autism , yes maybe other ones do but mmr not
And the whole thing started with mmr, so that is probably why they studied that and Wakefield claimed mmr did it
And anti vaxxers still claim that mmr causes Autism, so…The concept of “Gezel” by sleep is from a mussar standpoint and not a Halacha standpoint . However it would def be wrong to wake someone up for no reason, I have seen a pesak that one can wake up his father for Chanukah if he knows for sure that his father wants him to however in that case there is a halachac obligation of Kibbud av so it would seem by a regular person the assumption of him wanting to help you be mekayem פרסומי ניסא would be enough however it would be reasonable to say that if one knows for that the person does not want to be woken in this circumstance then it would be wrong to do so.
The concept of “Gezel” by sleep is from a mussar standpoint and not a Halacha standpoint . However it would def be wrong to wake someone up for no reason, I have seen a pesak that one can wake up his father for Chanukah if he knows for sure that his father wants him to however in that case there is a halachac obligation of Kibbud av so it would seem by a regular person the assumption of him wanting to help you be mekayem פרסומי ניסא would be enough however it would be reasonable to say that if one knows for that the person does not want to be woken in this circumstance then it would be wrong to do so
@dooms according to the fda gluten free products can contain up to 20ppm (parts per million ) and be labeled GLUTEN FREE. now you said vacaciness can contain theramosal up to 1mcg ( which is the same measurement as ppm) so vaccines by that standard would be able to contain 20mcg under the regulation by gluten. So you are clearly in the wrong about This point