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jackkParticipant
Smerel,
“(Hint: In NYC alone the murder rate is up fifty percent compared to a year ago. Over ninety percent of those murdered are black or Hispanic)”That is false. The murder rate in NYC is way down by 35%
jackkParticipantTVAP,
Your post is more of a rant than actual cogent arguments that can be discussed.
” The black population in the us is 13%, while the NBA is 74% black. Why no cries of systemic racism there? ” . Seriously ? Sports ?
What does a Harvard Study on reparations have to do with systemic racism?
Who cares about ethnomathematics in Oregon? I have been trying to understand what ethnomathematics means and what Oregon is trying to implement but I have failed.Systemic Racism is not a hoax. It exists. Not all over , but it does exist.
Fighting systemic racism definitely helps all the people that have been denied equal opportunities due to it.It doesn’t ignore any other problems that are holding minorities back. It is a piece of the puzzle.
The prevarication that democrats believe in equalizing the playing field just to garner votes is similar to the canard that that they are for immigrant rights just to garner votes.
(Trump gave tax cuts so that they rich will vote for him. Do you believe that ?)Police brutality has nothing to do with any of the educational issues in schools. But police brutality is an issue that needs to be resolved because it effects all citizens – whites too.
The last president loved police brutality. “Hit their heads pushing them into the police car.” People are protesting and he wants to walk to a church for photo op – blast their heads off.jackkParticipantBe optimistic. Hashem runs the world.
There are many Biden Supporters. He is doing a terrific job. The right wing media keeps on trying to find anything they can to fault him with. They keep striking out with ridiculous stupidity. They will never give him the credit he deserves. That includes a lot of the Jewish media.
Just look at how fast he declared The Red State of Texas a Disaster area and sent FEMA to help. No bargaining. No demanding payback. No insults.
jackkParticipantObama is still born in Kenya.
The earth is still flat.
KC won the Super Bowl after being up 3 to 0 in the first quarter.jackkParticipantMadeAliyah,
This is a post that befits a Yid that lives in the Palace of the King.
In the month of Adar, we should also merit to understand and live by the lesson of the half a shekel donated by every Jew. That includes me.February 17, 2021 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm in reply to: Commemorating Mosheh Rabbenu for Zayin Ador #1949354jackkParticipantRE.
Who said the klal of the beginning of the parsha?
February 17, 2021 10:05 am at 10:05 am in reply to: Commemorating Mosheh Rabbenu for Zayin Ador #1949150jackkParticipantNitzavim and Vayalech can also be considered one parshah. They are almost always read together.
February 16, 2021 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm in reply to: Do Rep. actually have an impeachable case against K. Harris or it’s just air? #1948833jackkParticipantMadeAliyah,
I see you just posted to the thread regarding name calling and you are all for it since it means that you made a good point.
I am thinking about that right now.
February 16, 2021 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm in reply to: Do Rep. actually have an impeachable case against K. Harris or it’s just air? #1948751jackkParticipantMadeAliyah,
Yasher Koach.
It is a complete contradiction. That is the essence of Lady G for you.
He is a worthless and immoral politician without a conscience.February 16, 2021 10:29 am at 10:29 am in reply to: Do Rep. actually have an impeachable case against K. Harris or it’s just air? #1948725jackkParticipantLindsey Graham is one of the biggest idiotic fools and trump sycophants of the senate.
Due to his speeches before Jan 6th , he was implicated as a co-conspirator in the insurrection.
He was never impartial and should have recused himself.
He was 100% right when he tweeted on May 3 2016 – ” If we nominate trump we will get destroyed … and we will deserve it. ”
Due to trump, they lost the WH, Senate and Congress in 4 years.jackkParticipantubiquitin,
What I am about to write is complete sarcasm in my point of view , but complete truth in the republican view.
Since student B can scream from the roof tops that student A is the biggest hypocrite in the entire universe from Adam Harishon, ergo Student B is completely blameless for what he did. Not only blameless, he is a courageous warrior and admired fighter. He is the saviour of the school and he deserves to be the leader.
jackkParticipantMadeAliya,
So you doubled down without answering . I did not expect that from someone living in Artzenu Hakedosha. Avera DArah Machkim.
jackkParticipantI read Biden’s Executive Order On Advancing Racial Equity and Support for Underserved Communities Through the Federal Government and it makes a lot of sense.
I don’t understand the vociferous antagonizem against it.
I chalk it up to the Trump supporters having to find any small thing to use to trash him. Similar to making a big deal of the press secretary’s non answer about Israel and SA.jackkParticipantThe stupid whataboutism defense put forth by defenders of trump was that trump can never be held accountable for his actions until the BLM rioters are prosecuted.
That is moronic.It is obvious that you and MadeAliyah did not listen to the trial.
Was OJ’s trial also a PR stunt since it was clear that the minority population was never going to convict him ? They came back with a verdict after an hour.The Senate trial did not get the conviction of trump but it did convict 43 republicans of supporting insurrection and allowing every future president free reign after he is a lame duck to overthrow the government. MAGA.
jackkParticipantIf you watch the footage shown today, (never seen before and from the body cameras) you will see hand to hand combat between Trump rioters and capitol police.
They violently attacked the capitol police and we’re ready to attack politicians.
There is no defense for R senators except to stick their heads in the sand.
jackkParticipantMadeAliyah,
“The ‘trial run’ was done by BLM and Antifa.”
Republicans don’t get their own reality created by the web of lies that they are constantly reading and listening to.
“The next time the police will be prepared and will succeed in defending the Capital.”
The president has lot of power over security in DC and if he is in favor of an insurrection, there will not be more security. In fact, the weak security this time was due to the president’s administration ordering the capitol police to not be properly prepared and not to engage the rioters. The capitol police revealed the letter that he received from the administration.
“Please tell us more.”
I assume that you know exactly what I am referring to.TVAP-
There were thousands of people who were very prepared. Military gear, weapons , advanced scouting and coordination.If you actually listen to his speech then you will realize that the words “peaceful protest” are meaningless.
I will admit that if I believed in what Trump said at the rally that the election was stolen, that he won by a landslide and the Dem’s are destroying democracy and stealing the next 4 years, I would have been part of the riot and not left the capitol building without a few politicians in handcuffs. ( or worse.)
Republicans Defenses of Trump that are worthless.
1) No impeachment trial after leaving office.
Constitutionally and historically untrue
2) Whataboutism.
That is a five year old’s defense
3) He said the word peaceful.
It is all about the environment that he created by his words and actions.
4) He never expected this to happen.
He is expected to know better. There was intel of very bad people joining the capitol rally.
5) He stopped it in real time after the rioters breached the capitol.
He did not.23 years ago Republicans believed that a president committing perjury was a reason to remove him from office. How far they have fallen.
If next time a democrat president does exactly what trump did , would you still be opposed to removal from office?February 9, 2021 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm in reply to: Recapping some of Biden admin. steps negative effects #1946755jackkParticipantBiden was elected to do almost everything differently than Trump .
This is not surprising or unexpected.If it can be explained why what trump did was good and why this is now bad , it will help in the discussion.
jackkParticipantIf there are no consequences then this was only a trial run by trump and his supporters.
The next time they will be better prepared and will succeed.
There is a historical parallel to such a situation.
jackkParticipantAfter further investigation, I realize that this whole posting is a false accusation against Biden.
As the State Department spokesperson explained this has everything to do with a humanitarian effort to help millions of Yemenis that are starving and nothing to do with Ansarallah being a terrorist organization.
In explaining the reversal, the State Department spokesperson said the move “has nothing to do with our view of the Houthis and their reprehensible conduct, including attacks against civilians and the kidnapping of American citizens.”
“We have formally notified Congress of the Secretary’s intent to revoke these designations and will share more details in the coming days,” the spokesperson added. “Our action is due entirely to the humanitarian consequences of this last-minute designation from the prior administration, which the United Nations and humanitarian organizations have since made clear would accelerate the world’s worst humanitarian crisis.”
Ergo: Pompeo’s last minute designation of Ansarallah as a terrorist organization would have been a disaster for millions of starving Yemenis. I think that is a lot worse than Pompeo’s defense of Trump’s overthrow of the American government.
jackkParticipantIt’s worse to do absolutely zero for 4 years than to do something that is purely for show 8 days before you are kicked out of office.
jackkParticipantWow.
Trump designates the Houthis as a terrorist organization on Jan 11 2021, 8 days before he was removed from office, and it is a big deal that Biden reverses the decision?
Where was the anger against Trump during the past 4 years on this issue?
February 3, 2021 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm in reply to: Explain why you were sure Trump would get a second term even after the election. #1945094jackkParticipantHealth,
You have not given a single reason why on January 6th you still believed that Trump would be the president.
If there is no reason for him to be president, why should they promote a fiction?!February 3, 2021 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm in reply to: Explain why you were sure Trump would get a second term even after the election. #1945025jackkParticipanthuju,
I am not surprised that you have not received even one answer to this question.
I am surprised that many in the jewish media published in January (before the 7th) that trump might still be president for another 4 years.February 2, 2021 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm in reply to: Biden announces restoration of U.S. relations and aid to Palestinians #1944635jackkParticipantBen Levi,
A peace plan written on a piece of paper and actually working on bringing it about are 2 totally different things. I also have a peace plan in my drawer. There was no plan to bring peace.
Does the US only have dealing with the arab countries connected to Israel or is there a big world with 195 countries ? I was referring to NK, Russia, Ukraine, Syria, The Kurds , Turkey, Mexico, Canada , NATO countries, The EU ….
Made Aliyah,
I understand the situation as well as anybody else.
Did the families of terrorists stop getting paid? No.
Did they stop teach young children to hate Jews and spread lies about Israel to the West among other things? No.
Do you trust them with your tax dollars? No.
What negotiations? The Palestinians refuse to negotiate! Correct . Watch under the Biden administration they will come back to the negotiating table. (Magic)Racism and Slavery were really great to the white slave owners in the 1800’s in the US. They were very happy with the status quo. Does that make it a situation that can be conveniently ignored?
The fact is Israel is not happy with the status quo. Due to the palestinians, they need to have compulsory military service of all youth between 18 and 21. They need to go to war against Gaza every few years. There is always fear of another intifada. There is always fear from the underground tunnels of another terrorist attack. They need to go into arab villages and risk their lives to destroy terrorists houses. They are criticized constantly in the in the UN and international community because of the situation.
Shalom al Yisroel,
The squad have had no effect on the Biden’s administration relations with Israel.
Biden was VP way before they were in office and he has a complete understanding of the situation and how to deal with it. You disagree on how he wants to deal with it.
I should have used the words impartial and unbiased over the word objective.We should stop magnifying the power that the squad have because the republicans now have 2 confirmed anti semitic meshuggana trump supporters of their own in congress.
January 29, 2021 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm in reply to: Biden announces restoration of U.S. relations and aid to Palestinians #1943662jackkParticipantYserbius123,
trump stopping US and UN aid to the palestinians without having a plan to resolve the issues between Israel and the p.a. was never a long term solution.
It was a one sided course of action that removed America as an objective third party in negotiations.
It was consistent with all of trump’s interactions in the world theatre. There were never any long term solutions. It was all a show and a slogan.
jackkParticipantMade Aliyah,
Trump is still the President of the US.
Fact-Check: False
Trump can lie over and over that the election was stolen but is not responsible for the results of such a statement.
Fact-Check: False
Trump gets to take credit for anything good that happens but is not to blame for anything bad that happens.
Fact-Check: False
jackkParticipantLakewhut,
Capitol police do not die at protests.
It was a planned and coordinated riot with the goal of overturning the election.January 27, 2021 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm in reply to: United States – No Unity after an Insurrection #1943121jackkParticipantCommonseychel,
Mcconnell did not compromise the past four years and will not get any compromises.
He is no longer a leader.
jackkParticipantHuju, sorry your sarcasm wasn’t clear.
Lakewhut,
Getting a higher education, teaching, being a principal is not grifting. It is the exact qualification. Unless your sarcasm also isn’t clear.jackkParticipanthuju,
“But those awful Democrats would not even consider Merrick Garland, Trump’s nominee for the US Supreme Court.”
You meant “But those awful Republican’s would not even consider Merrick Garland, Obama’s nominee for the US Supreme Court”
Lakewhut,
Someone who has spent their whole career in public education would be most qualified to be the US Secretary of Education.
January 26, 2021 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm in reply to: United States – No Unity after an Insurrection #1942819jackkParticipantSince 45 Republicans voted today that impeachment of the president for an insurrection is unconstitutional , it means that the Republican party can be destroyed for the next 4 years.
jackkParticipantparticipant,
Unity does not mean to let a riot that:
1) was born of the 2 months of lies spoken and tweeted hourly by trump about the election being stolen
2) that tried to kill members of congress
3) that people died from
4) and that he did not try to prevent in real time
– have no consequences.jackkParticipantMadeAliyah,
Netanyahu was to blame for the ramat shlomo story It was a downgrading of the relationship with the US by embarrassing the US when the VP is on an official visit.
It culminated in 2015 when Netanyahu spoke to congress and worked with the Republicans to undermine not just Obama’s efforts to strike a nuclear deal with Iran, but his presidential authority over foreign policy. It was a tremendous insult to the US president. (And I know how much Trump supporters care about the Kavod that the American president deserves /sarcasm.) The effect was to politically polarize an issue that has long been bipartisan in Washington: support for Israel.
Trump in the past 4 years has drilled into his supporters that only republicans support Israel and that democrats are anti Israel. Biden has not taken the bait. He has stayed with the value of bi-partisan support for Israel.
If Israel makes moves to damage the relationship when a Democrat is President it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
On a separate point, Trump hired a person to create a peace plan between Israel and the Palestinians. He worked over 3 years on it.
Sadly, it never came to light , just like trump’s healthcare plan.jackkParticipantAlways_Ask_Questions,
If they would have come out and said that Trump did x but we want to be more aggressive and try to do x+x (without giving numbers) would you be happy ?
American’s realize that over 400,000 Americans died from Covid by Jan 20, 2021 and that unless we become more aggressive in our efforts to prevent the spread and to give the vaccine the numbers will continue to skyrocket.That is the totality of what the Biden administration is trying to do.
Trump supporters are right when they realize that 400,000 dead American’s due to covid is not something that they can be proud of.
jackkParticipantMadeAliyah,
Please correct the title. This was not a statement or even the first words of Biden to Israel.
It was the US ambassador to Israel’s Twitter account that briefly includes West Bank, Gaza.
It reverted back to just Israel.It was probably not done with consultation with Biden.
To all the trump supporters who want to trash Biden regarding Israel. Do not create a self-fulfilling prophecy. He has done everything right in terms of the start of his relationship with Israel. Which is really a continuation of the very good relationship he had for 8 years in the Obama administration.
The embassy can be moved out of Jerusalem just as it was moved in. Confirming that Jerusalem is Israel’s capitol is a major statement by the Biden SOS.
jackkParticipantWhen the Rabbi asks for unity, does he mean women should get aliyos? Take down the mechitza?
Step one is the person who proudly announced impeachment articles should not have.
jackkParticipantujm, I actually want to request mechila for my strong response yesterday regarding talking about thanking trump and not thanking Hashem. I had just listened to a 3 minute shmooze from Rabbi Joey Haber on “we got carried away” with trump (you can find it on the web) and your post was a perfect example of getting carried away. After hitting ‘post’ , I reconsidered and thought to myself that just because you didn’t print in your post a thanks to Hashem doesn’t mean that wasn’t in your mind. I should have been more generic about “how we should never forget that humans are shluchim of Hashem”, than actually posting what I wrote. I also got carried away.
jackkParticipantVery good lesson.
Always look at game zu ltovah.
Yosher KoachJanuary 20, 2021 9:31 am at 9:31 am in reply to: Thank You Donald Trump, the Jews’ Best Friend! #1940602jackkParticipantujm,
You did not mention Hashem even once. You did not thank Hashem.
You have not learned the lesson that Hashem has, is and always will be running the world.
I pray that we can all inculcate into our lives the lesson that Hashem is running the world and not be boteach in a basar v’dam.
jackkParticipantTVAP,
Bail after being arrested is not a get out of “responsibility for your actions” free card.
Over 10,000 people were arrested in just the first 10 days after Floyd’s death on May 25. The arrests are permanently on the person’s record, they face jail time or a fine and losing employment. (Trump supporters are now learning this the hard way.)
Between 15 to 26 million people attended a demonstration over the death of George Floyd and others. (Now you know why Trump lost. 81,000,000 people are disgusted with him. ) Most of them were peaceful.Democratic leaders did not cheer on violence and destruction. They were advocating for protests and they encouraged continue protests.
The protesters at the Trump rally were protesting a lie that was fed to them by Trump that the election was stolen. If you listen to his long speech at the protest, he repeats this many times.
What did Trump want to happen after his speech? Saying walk over peacefully does not exonerate him for the other times that he intimated that it needs to be more forceful.“We’re gathered together in the heart of our nation’s Capitol for one very, very basic and simple reason, to save our democracy.”
“We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.”
“Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”
“That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
“When you catch somebody in a fraud, you’re allowed to go by very different rules.” (THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST DAMNING STATEMENTS HE SAID.)
“Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength….It’s all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy and the American people to finally standing up and saying, ‘No.’ This crowd is again a testament to it.”
“You will have an illegitimate president, that’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen.” (THIS IS ALSO A DAMNING STATEMENT.)
“We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we’ve been forced to believe over the past several weeks. We’ve amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election.”
“We’re going to see whether or not we have great and courageous leaders or whether or not we have leaders that should be ashamed of themselves throughout history, throughout eternity, they’ll be ashamed. And you know what? If they do the wrong thing, we should never ever forget that they did. Never forget. We should never ever forget.”I reject violence, looting and rioting. I also reject stealing, murder and assault. I reject racism also.
jackkParticipant1) Liberal CNN has acknowledged that the Capitol mob was planned days before Trump spoke.
Meaning it was literally impossible for his speech to have been the impetus for it.
That is a fact.If breaking into the capitol by a mob was planned (and I agree that it definitely was and that was the main purpose of the Stop the Steal rally ) then it makes it exponentially worse for Trump. He organized a rally for the purpose of physically attacking congress.
2) There is no person here who supported overthrowing the US government. Furthering that lie is an illustration of the reason 75 million people voted for trump and continue to support him.
If you supported the plan to prevent the duly elected 46th President of the US from taking office, whether by legal shenanigans or brute mob force, you are supporting the overthrow of the US Government. That is the term for it.
3) The far left did in fact knowingly occupy the center of a Major American city, they did state clearly that they did so in order spark an insurrection. They were not condemned by an Democrat politician.
That is demonstrably false.
Here are President Joe Biden’s public statements. All these are on the web and public.
(May 31) Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
At a speech in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on June 2, he said, “There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”
On July 28, Biden also condemned violent protests at a speech in Wilmington, Delaware, as seen here at the 8 minute 24 second mark.4) Personally, I was very wary of the claims of voter fraud, I thought the election had been “legally” stolen (Democrat machine going house to house in certain Democrat cities getting vote) seeing the level of suppression of speech and attempts to silence any attempt at pen debate of Republicans.
A level of pure hypocrisy and lying makes me think that perhaps it is true, there was actual fraud.
And I know many people that are beginning to think the same.Most American’s, including Trump supporters, have concluded the exact opposite. It is now clear to them that Stop the Steal is completely imaginary and Trump and his band of thieves know that their followers are so gullible that they can pull the wool over their eyes and repeat a lie a thousand times and it will magically become truth. Trump was never going to concede losing. He was defiant like Pharoah until the end.
jackkParticipantTrump lied and people died.
jackkParticipantIf your only — or even simply your first — point in defense of Trump is that Democrats are hypocrites or have double standards, you are in effect arguing that the left dictates your standards.
If you say Trump can’t or shouldn’t be held to account because liberals didn’t hold their own side accountable for (what you allege) was similar incitement or behavior, what you’re really saying is you care less about your own standards than the hypocrisy of the left.
I have no problem complaining about the hypocrisy of the left. But even if the facts were exactly as you allege, I still oppose incitement and unconstitutional behavior. The left’s shifting standards shouldn’t change conservatism’s standards.”
Jonah Goldberg, The DispatchjackkParticipant“If your only — or even simply your first — point in defense of Trump is that Democrats are hypocrites or have double standards, you are in effect arguing that the left dictates your standards.
If you say Trump can’t or shouldn’t be held to account because liberals didn’t hold their own side accountable for (what you allege) was similar incitement or behavior, what you’re really saying is you care less about your own standards than the hypocrisy of the left.
I have no problem complaining about the hypocrisy of the left. But even if the facts were exactly as you allege, I still oppose incitement and unconstitutional behavior. The left’s shifting standards shouldn’t change conservatism’s standards.”
Jonah Goldberg, The DispatchjackkParticipantHere are some of Trumps most ardent supporters.
As of Tuesday, authorities had opened about 170 investigations into people who potentially committed crimes, according to the Associated Press. That number is expected to grow.
An Arkansas man who allegedly used a flagpole to beat a police officer during last week’s riots at the US Capitol has been charged by federal authorities, officials said.
Peter Francis Stager, 41, faces one count of obstructing a police officer from his duties during a civil disorder, according to a federal complaint filed Thursday in Washington, DC.
He was captured on video and photographs striking the prone DC Metropolitan Police officer after rioters dragged the cop down the Capitol’s west stairs, officials said.
Richard Barnett faces federal charges of entering and remaining on restricted grounds, violent entry and theft of public property after photos surfaced allegedly showing him occupying the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Adam Johnson faces three felony counts of entering or remaining in a restricted building without lawful authority, theft of government property and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Johnson has been identified as the man seen carrying the Speaker’s lectern during the occupation, according to Nexstar’s WFLA.
Doug Jensen faces five federal charges: knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, disrupting the orderly conduct of government business, violent entry and disorderly conduct in a Capitol building, parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building and obstructing a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. He has been identified as the man seen on video leading the mob upstairs inside the Capitol during the riots, according to Nexstar’s WHO.
Eric Gavelek Munchel, 30, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Multiple media outlets have identified him as the person pictured carrying “zip tie” handcuffs at inside congressional chambers.
Robert Keith Packer was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building without lawful authority and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Nexstar’s WAVY identified him as the man seen wearing a Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt during the riot.
Derrick Evans, a West Virginia state lawmaker who posted videos online showing himself pushing his way inside the Capitol, was arrested Friday by the FBI at his home and charged with entering restricted federal property. He has since resigned his position in the House of Delegates, according to Nexstar’s WOWK.
Jacob Anthony Chansley, who also goes by the name Jake Angeli was charged with entering a restricted building without lawful authority, violent entry and disorderly conduct. He’s been identified by the Department of Justice as the man seen wearing horns and carrying a 6-foot spear during the Capitol riot.
jackkParticipant“Strong evidence, including Chansley’s own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States government,” prosecutors wrote. Prosecutors offered that view in a filing asking a judge to detain Jacob Chansley, the Arizona man and QAnon conspiracy theorist who was famously photographed wearing horns as he stood at the desk of Vice President Mike Pence in the chamber of the U.S. Senate. The detention memo, written by Justice Department lawyers in Arizona, goes into greater detail about the FBI’s investigation into Chansley, revealing that he left a note for Pence warning that “it’s only a matter of time, justice is coming.”
jackkParticipantHealth,
Did you read the impeachment charge ? I quoted it verbatim.
Please take the text of the charge and show exactly why it is not incitement for insurrection.
And since you will never be able to do that because you made up your own definition of incitement , but the people in congress know much better what incitement for insurrection is , the facts remain that Trump was impeached for incitement of an insurrection and will hopefully be convicted by the senate this time.
jackkParticipantKathy Griffin had tremendous repercussions for her actions.
She was fired from CNN, Federal officials threatened to charge her with conspiracy to assassinate the president, and she was put on the no fly list and couldn’t fly for two months.Madonna’s full statement was, ““Yes, I’m angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House,” Madonna said. “But I know that this won’t change anything. We cannot fall into despair.”
Johnny Depp got into trouble right away and apologized the very next day.
The defense that Trump uses is always blame someone else. Blame antifa, BLM, the media … Kids learn very early in life that what someone else does is no excuse for you.
This time a few of his supporters took his words to what they perceived as the natural conclusion.If you can see incitement in the 3 actors words then it’s a slam dunk for you to see that Trump is guilty of incitement. He is not a famous actor. He is the President of the WHOLE United Stated and his followers treat him like an Idol.
jackkParticipantAccording to the constitution, there is no need to have a legal and criminal definition of incitement for the president to be impeached. There is no leniency due to legal definitions of causation..
Furthermore, the text of the impeachment is clear on what ideas and words he used to incite people.
The text of the impeachment is:
“On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. In the months preceding the Joint Session, President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the American people or certified by State or Federal officials. Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump, addressed a crowd at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. There, he reiterated false claims that “we won this election, and we won it by a landslide.”
“He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged – and FORSEEABLY (my emphasis) resulted in – LAWLESS (my emphasis) action at the Capitol, such as: “if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country any more.” Thus INCITED (my emphasis) by President Trump, members of the crowd he had addressed, in an attempt to, among other objectives, interfere with the Joint Session’s solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the Capitol, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress, the Vice President, and Congressional personnel, and engaged in other violent, deadly, destructive and seditious acts. ”
jackkParticipantShady Chareidi,
I will use one example to show where you are wrong. You can then multiply it.
There is a SOS in Georgia and a COO in his office. Brad Raffensperger and Gabriel Sterling. They are not the media and are not being stifled, censored or misconstrued.
The intimidation was coming from trump and not the other side.It is their job to run elections in Georgia.
The SOS was on the phone with trump and he told trump multiple times throughout the call “your data is wrong”. ( I would have told him to shut up and stop lying but he is more politically correct than me.)
They checked into everything that trump has claimed and they found ZERO fraud. They have answers to every question and scenario that trump relied upon. It has all been publicized by them and they stand behind everything they declared without a slight doubt in their minds.It is very easy to detect fraud in an election and to publicize it because there are people who run the elections.
THERE WAS ZERO FRAUD AND BIDEN WON THE ELECTION IN A LANDSLIDE.
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