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FrumWhere and Philosopher,
Re: the actor, I will re-use a comment made by Syag,
And there you have exhibit number 1 of someone commenting without having the facts. Which I guess is what his case was founded on so maybe it isn’t a problem…
And there you have exhibit number 2 …Syag,
There are 2 points.
When someone is given a gun and a badge and swears to uphold law and order they better be ready to act in a professional manner 24/7. Most police do this.
1) Don’t we want the police to be more careful in the future before they pull the trigger to be 100% positive that they are holding a taser and not a gun? Didn’t we always want that ?
I was listening yesterday to a talk show host Jeff Ferguson (for 5 minutes before I couldn’t take his lying and stupidity) and he incredibly felt that 3 to 6 months in jail was enough punishment for a policeman accidentally killing an innocent person.
2) Can police do whatever they want without any repercussions by threatening to not work effectively? Can police act improperly but get away with it by other police covering up for them?
If the answer to these questions is yes, then BLM are 100% correct. Police can assassinate innocent civilians without fear of justice. That is a major problem with police in America.
I am all for the police doing their jobs but they must be held accountable when they mess up.
Abba_s,
Thanks for pointing this out.
This is what BLM has been saying.The police follow their own set of rules and when they don’t like things, they just stop working.
The blue wall of silence.What should the punishment be for a police officer with decades of experience that accidentally kills a citizen?
ABBA_S
A coup and insurrection do not need weapons. Although they help.
A coup can be done by lawyers, boot-licking senators, representatives and executive branch administrative staff.
One of the documents that the commission has in hand is a 38 page powerpoint document titled “Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan” where all the options that they were planning to possibly use to overthrow the POTUS Joe Biden.
The document was received from Mark Meadows , Trumps COS.
” The DOJ would have indicted Trump. ” When do you want them to indict him ? Before they have all the facts?
Health,
Someone previously called your statements so outrageous that he believed that you are a troll.
They are so far from reality that there is no universe that they have any connection to.
You make things up and back them up with more made up things and back those up with yelling and screaming and name calling.
Yserbius123,
“(If anyone is thinking I’m serious, I’m just raitzing Health on using his own lashoinois.”.
Please add all of his leshoinos to your repertoire – such as DEMONratS , demoncRATs RATs RAT RAT …Syag,
(Re – Jackk – fair point but I think that’s a different question.
The question was about politicians inciting violence with rhetoric. It’s a question on the ill response of individuals to the words of the politicians.)My point is that what his supporters who are in jail are saying is that is what they understood he was telling them. That is not political rhetoric that is a call to violence.
Haleivi,
(Re: Right after the elections, many people spoke about the oddities. The media create a narrative of how dangerous that talk is, how absurd it is and a big lie. )
First of all there were no oddities after the election.
None.
The bizarre conspiracy theories were all made up out of thin air by the master conman. In the year since the election, not one actionable fraud has been presented.
All the claims were DIRECTLY countered and DENIED. The billion dollar lawsuits by Dominion (which they are going to win) and the punishment of Trump’s lawyer’s has proven that.UJM,
(Re – No one knew there would be trespassing. The official plan was to head to the Capital for a legal protest outside on public grounds.)
That is what most people thought the plan was. There were a few core supporters who knew that the plan was to attack the Capital and they were prepared with everything needed.
There is documentation on this aspect also.
Four alleged leaders of the Proud Boys have been indicted in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol over allegedly conspiring, including in discussions on encrypted messaging apps, to obstruct the certification of President Biden’s Electoral College victory. Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Zach Rehl and Charles DonohoeABBA_S,
If there is a civil war, it is from the side that tried to overthrow the Biden government.
You should be listening to the documentation from the Jan6 commission , you will learn a lot.
There is a power point presentation which was distributed on how to overthrow the duly elected President of the US .
That is why it is called a coup.Syag,
Which left wingers argued with infectious disease experts?
I am not arguing. I just want to know who you are referring to.
CS,
I never spoke in favor or against mask mandates.
I speak in favor of letting people who have degrees in infections diseases and decades of experience be the deciders.
Not Facebook or fox news hosts or republican dentists.CS,
“@Jackk, they own the planes, you dont like it then fly on a private jet”This has nothing to do with what I said.
Secondly, it is the anti-mask and vaccine mandates people that are protesting that their rights are being violated when they are not allowed into restaurants and other venues .
You don’t like it, eat at home.
I don’t ask Airplane CEO’s or anybody else that is not a Medical professional for medical advice and I surely do not take their advice.
The differences between what Trump supporters did on January 6th and what a Sander’s supporter did is obvious.
One of them is, the words of some of the Trump supporters, as they get thrown into jail, saying that they believed that they were following their President’s wishes to storm the capitol. The guy who shot Scalise was a domestic terrorist who was not following Sander’s wishes.
The Scalise attack is similar to the Gabby Giffords attack in 2011.Sander’s has been consistent in his views for the past 50 years and he believes in Health coverage for all American’s. A very laudable concept.
AAQ,
The poshut pshat is like the Maharsha and Meiri that the gemorrah is not referring to what we call the notzrim but another group/ideology that was already around by bayis rishon.
Why is that so shver?
It obviously cannot be referring to people who only appeared at the end of Bayis Sheni to explain why the maamados bizman habayis didn’t fast on Sunday.As an aside, the blatt at the end of Maseches Taanis have many shinui girsaos – even a shinuy girsah that changes the word from Assur to Mutar.
Smerel,
1) I am waiting for Tucker, Hannity and the rest of the insane fox news hosts to have conniption fits and aneurisms when they find out that their tax dollars are going to fund muslim kids to learn how to hate the great satan America.
2) Why does giving money to buddhists not violate the tax payer’s religion?CS.
“I could not care less if the money went to muslim , buddhists and scientology schools”.
You really don’t care to use your tax dollars to educate a population that will be voting against your religious beliefs?Smerel,
True, they are saying how can you discriminate against religious schools.
Would the SC agree that the the state should pay for muslim , buddhists and scientology schools?
How about the state-sponsored Hogwart’s School of Witchcraft and Wizardry ?This is one of the principles of separation of church and state.
In the wedding case decision , the SC ruled that a business is allowed to discriminate based on religion. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Don’t discriminate based on my religion.
ujm,
I disagree.
If republican’s will make laws that completely ban all abortions without any exceptions starting from one week , there will be a rebellion within the republican party. There are millions of republican’s that want abortion to be allowed early in the pregnancy and also that there be exceptions for social reasons.
Even many religious republicans who want stricter restrictions on abortion are not in favor of a complete ban on it .
I guess time will tell. If SCOTUS overturns Roe V Wade do the republican states start banning all abortions without exception or not.
I am not familiar with the teachings of the Ovdey Avoda Zara, but do you know where the hard liners are basing this complete ban on abortion ? Does the new testament have a line about it?
ujm,
Thanks for the answer but totally banning abortion is not the goal of the republicans. If it was, they would have done it already in the republican controlled states.
15 Weeks in Mississippi is arbitrary. They could have said 10 or 3.The republicans will always have (non-halachik) exceptions because in truth even republicans don’t really believe that all abortions should be banned in America.
In my naivety, can someone explain what the machlokes between R’ Moshe and the Tzitz has to do with American law on Abortion ?
Why is it being discussed on the thread regarding what the SCOTUS is going to do about a Mississippi law that arbitrarily decided that 15 weeks is the latest time to have an abortion? The 15 weeks is not based on science, health or religion.
This Mississippi law proves that Republicans are pro-abortion and want to be able to commit murder against fetuses.
They just want the rules to be more strict than the democrats.
And for this, Jews think the Republicans are paragons of virtue?
Avira DeArah,
You are looking at this debate as a halachik issue and there should be no exceptions to murder. – except where halacha allows.
However , in America, this is not a halachik debate.
Even the Mississipi law allows abortions before 15 weeks. Why? Can you commit murder on a human being before 15 weeks?
It allows an exception after 15 weeks for severely deformed babies . Can you commit murder on deformed babies after they are born ?
Most states have a rape exception. Can you commit murder on a baby born from rape?The Mississippi law and all other laws on abortion in America, still allow Halachik murder on its own terms.
American law will never codify the halachik definition of abortion. It will always be inconsistent with it.
UJM,
N0mesorah didn’t say that he wanted to abort crack babies . He asked you when are you going tell your republican representatives that they must financially and physically take care of all of them for life since the mother does not want them?All 3 were convicted.
Interestingly, but not surprising, now there are some people who supported rittenhouse’s innocence who suddenly suspect the legal system of an injustice.
A very disturbing part of this case which shows clear racial bias is that these 3 men may never have even gotten arrested until the video was forcibly released.
The McMichaels and Bryan weren’t charged in the killing until more than two months later, after the video was leaked online and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation took over the case.
One of the prosecutors used her position to discourage police from making arrests . A grand jury indicted Jackie Johnson last week on a felony charge of violating her oath of office and a misdemeanor count of obstructing police. Johnson was the area’s top prosecutor when three white men chased and fatally shot Arbery last year.The biggest difference between Thanksgiving 2020 and Thanksgiving 2021: 20 million people on unemployment benefits then vs. 2 million on unemployment today.
AAQ,
Dr. Stephen M. Hahn, who became commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration just weeks before the coronavirus pandemic began, resigned on Jan 20 as part of the routine departure of senior political appointees that happens when a new administration takes office.Dr. Hahn was about to resign right after Jan 7th in shock at the Trump inspired attack on the capital the previous day.
Dr. Janet Woodcock, the longtime head of the F.D.A.’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Review, has been serving as acting commissioner. Due to he excellent qualifications, she was being considered for the post of commissioner.
The agency has always had an excellent acting commissioner under Biden.
That republicans can still vote for Trump is embarrassing.
Trump’s governing style was that he loved acting commissioners because he did not need senate approval and he could fire them whenever he felt they weren’t sufficient sycophants to him. He did this numerous times with numerous agencies.
Trump won’t even be nominated.
TVAP,
– “Thinking that a mentally ill person, who threatened to kill you earlier, and is now reaching for your weapon, as a threat to your own life, is “politically motivated”??”
Saying that Rosenbaum reaching for a weapon means that he was not “unarmed” is politically motivated.
– “No the stupidity I was referring to was the line of thinking that in the spur of the moment, Kyle, if he wants, can decide where exactly he’s gonna shoot. ”
Rosenbaum was shot 4 times. Maybe he didn’t need to shoot him 4 times to stop him from attacking? The Forensic Pathologist testified that Rosenbaum was first wounded in the groin, then in the hand and thigh, as he faced Rittenhouse. After that, Rosenbaum was shot in the head and in the back. Kelley testified the final two shots were at a downward angle.
– “it sounds like you are thinking there are many legal reasons kyle should have been found guilty, and the prosecution did a bad job bringing them out.”.
Correct. See my previous answer.
– I don’t speak for BLM. But the idea that a lot of money is needed in order to defend yourself in the USA is a fact. Just look at the Rabbi Eisemann case.There is a wonderful feeling that I have that on the same thread per Syag I am “exhibit number 2” and also defended for things I never wrote.
TVAP,
” jackk, your still have to answer why he was prosecuted on the other charges, if you are to argue it wasn’t politically motivated. ”
I am not a prosecutor and I already said that they did a terrible job.“And you keep referring to Rosenbaum as “unarmed” and keep ignoring the fact that he was trying to get Rittenhouse’s gun. ”
This is a politically motivated slant to change the clear meaning of a English word and you have to ask yourself why you think this way.The facts are that the first person killed had no deadly weapon – not even the extremely deadly weapon called a skateboard.
“And the notion that he should have just shot him in the arm is 1st grade level stupidity and you know it.”
So you feel that it was stupidity for Kyle to have blown the arm off of of Gaige Grosskreutz. He should have blown his head off.-“The prosecution did a terrible job.”- I keep seeing people say this, but I don’t see how he could have done a better job considering he didn’t have a case to begin with. ”
I will let experienced prosecution lawyers, who have gotten innocent people sent to death row, answer this. These prosecutors were not the A team.
“More gaslighting, race-baiting garbage.”
Agreed. But this is the way the BLM people see it. And this is America in the year 2021.“Jackk, my question to you, is why in your mind should Kyle be guilty, and based on what evidence.”
In my mind, he was not guilty based on the laws of Wisconsin. My feelings are that if he had more experience and was more of an adult ( like the many others people just like him who were out there that night defending ) he wouldn’t have feared for his life from Joseph Rosenbaum.
“President Biden “angry” and “upset” with the verdict. Why does Nadler call the verdict a “miscarriage of justice””.
No comment.
” It’s comments like these that divide the country.”
How about these comments ?
Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-NC, offered Rittenhouse an internship in his office, and told his followers to “be armed, and be dangerous.”
“I will arm wrestle @mattgaetz to get dibs for Kyle as an intern.” Rep. Paul GosarWas justice served because the jury found him innocent or because the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence?
UJM,
I don’t see the comparison to הבּא בּמחתרת here.
AAQ,
“potential murderers – en masse ” .
How many other people were killed during the Kenosha protests ? Must be a lot if there were so many murderers there!
Are you saying that legally he could have killed everyone at the protest and still used the self-defense defense?
When you start killing people in a crowd , even those that are trying to get you to stop , when are you the instigator?The other side should be happy that he didn’t put his rifle on automatic and unload on the whole crowd.
Syag,
The jury decided that Kyle was fearful for his life and acted in self-defense in killing 2 people and injuring a third.
Is it possible that Kyle went to a situation where he needs a rifle because he wanted to use it and he found the perfect opportunity? There is nothing that was shown at the trial to determine whether this is true or false.The comparison to OJ is that money for a good lawyer gives a defendant the advantage in the US over salaried DA’s . Poor people in the justice system are forced into plea deals every day by their court appointed lawyers. You don’t agree to that?
I am (not) sorry that I do not have the time to watch the whole trial. But as I have said other times in the YWN, watching a trial does not help with knowing what the jury will decide. So it is a moot point. The jury sees a very different trial than everyone else and they are not experts and do not hear commentary on the trial.
It was made political because:
1) Kyle is a hero to the right because he was defending against the BLM riots that were going on in cities across America.
2) It was during a protest of the shooting of a black person by police. Jacob Blake was shot and seriously injured by police officer Rusten Sheskey in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Sheskey shot Blake in the back four times and the side three times.Anonymous – he shot at 4 people. 1 Person he missed. In Wisconsin , if for whatever reason you reach for someone’s gun barrel , they can legally blow you away. Don’t even have to shoot him in the arm. Go figure.
Welcome to the Nation of על חרבּך תחיהI was referring to the first person he killed, Joseph Rosenbaum, which is why I used the singular.
My point was that he was unarmed and killed anyway therefore to say that there should never have been a prosecution is a false narrative that has been propagated. (By you know who.)I was not discussing the second killing with a deadly skateboard vs an AR-15 style rifle or of the shooting of a Freeland where he missed or the fourth shooting where he was considered a active in shooter.
What he did to the fourth victim, he might have been able to do to the first three. There surely were many legal reasons for a prosecution. The prosecution did a terrible job.And we all know if he would have been a poor minority from the other part of Chicago , he would be on death row now for killing 2 white men peacefully protesting.
I am old enough to have seen many murderers get away with it.
If you have money, you can game the legal system.
Just look at OJ.Mrs Syag,
Please explain.
A 17 year old with an AR-15 style rifle kills a man who didn’t have a weapon and he should not have been prosecuted?
He needs to answer for every shot that he took – and he shot many many times.
Bannon, who was just charged with criminal contempt of congress, is going to jail.
There are many other republican traitors who are going to be in the same boat as him.
I can’t wait and see all the Trump sycophants, who helped organize the January 6th attack on the capital and put Trump above the laws of the US in trying to overturn an election for him , in the same situation.
But sure , the republicans are the cool ones.
The Republicans prefer recessions. The last 10 of 11 recessions were under a Republican president. The last recession was started by Donald J Trump.
“It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.”
You will never guess who that quote is from.CS,
Doesn’t surprise me.
You elected a president who had zero experience too.
I am sure a truck driver will do just as well.
Meanwhile, criticize AOC.
Republicans should be embarrassed to have elected him.
Despite all the lessons from the Republicans winning the state of Virginia, they still lost New Jersey.
DovidBT,
Illegal aliens are not allowed to vote.
Mass sending out of ballots does not mean that your dog can vote and send it back.
There are procedures to ensure that everyone votes once. That is why Trump still can’t produce any evidence of voter fraud.NBLA,
I don’t care what some idiot said. Democrats never lose on purpose. If they do , then all the pundits can shut up about Biden and Democrats losing support.
The Trump Motto is : “When Democrats win it is cheating and when Republicans win it is because Democrats let them”.
Do you believe this statement, ” I am not a believer in the integrity of Virginia’s elections, lots of bad things went on, and are going on.” ?
Trump himself said this before the election setting up his supporters for another loss due to him.
Trump was handed a massive loss.
A loss to his Big Lie that he really won in 2020.
A loss to every Republican still believing in the Big Lie.
How did Democrats lose so many races when they control the votes?!Health,
If they don’t like the mayor, they can quit.
Personal anti bodies is a reason to decide on what to personally do.Vaccine mandates are a public policy issue.
As the right likes to repeat about people getting killed by the police -“all they need to do is comply.”
If they can’t comply, then they will suffer the consequences.Romain,
100% true.
It has been true for decades.Health,
It does apply to the repurposed therapies.
Either you believe in conspiracy theories or you believe that they are slow, inept, overburdened, and red tape.Participant,
Those who are making the vaccine mandates feel that they have given people enough time to get vaccinated on their own volition.
For the sake of public health, those making the mandates are convinced that the benefits of every individual being vaccinated demands that every individual join in this effort. This will hopefully reduce to close to zero the amount of people dying and getting sick from covid.The medical community has done its job of education regarding the vaccines.
There was hype about “the” vaccine – all 5 of them from different manufacturers (3 in the US) – because until the vaccine there was a Maloch Hamoves killing and causing sickness to tens of millions of people from covid. The vaccines stopped it.
Maybe there is a chiyuv of shehecheyanu.Masks are just a inconvenience to wear and if it helps protect immunocompromised people from getting sick then it is best to wear it.
Some distrust is healthy suspicion. Too much is conspiracy theory territory.