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There is a clear agenda out there to insist that people go to therapy. To overmedicate people as well. The last issue you mention about people putting you down lies with the one trying to take you down, not your issue to deal with. Bullying is a sign of issues resting on the bully’s head, not yours. But self love includes judging yourself favorably. No one can be a better judge of their own character than themselves. Bullies know this and take advantage of those who have issues judging themselves positively. Blame and guilt tripping are used to make you judge yourself negatively. You need to get the inner strength to flip that switch inside of you and realize that when one finger points at you, the rest of the fingers point the other direction.
IYKParticipantOkay. I suspect these are issues everyone suffers from. Most of us can’t sit through davening without going crazy.
IYKParticipantBabysitting is not always an easy job as it can be difficult to entertain kids. I think this is also a normal issue to have.
IYKParticipantThere are many different types of therapies that may be helpful. Personally, the 3 most helpful for me, was music therapy, sand therapy and painting for therapy. When you connect with a song, express you emotions on canvas or in sand, therapists can discuss with you what is going on in the subconscious mind and can guide you to release negative emotions.
IYKParticipantI must have mentioned something the moderator didn’t like so the other post wasn’t posted. Just remember it says who is wise? One who learns from every human. There are life skills everyone has that can teach you about life. Whether Jew or non Jew. In matters of pikuach nefesh, leave no stone unturned.
IYKParticipantOne more thing to add to what I mentioned before. Naturally, we all seek love outside. But true lovers love themselves as well. If you hate yourself, you will destroy yourself and that is not going to allow humanity to succeed on earth. True love is not found in others, it is found within the neshama. Once you have made a commitment to love yourself, to never harm yourself, then you have the capability to love others like you love yourself and share that love with the loving world we live in. If you don’t love yourself and you teach others to love, in essence, you have taught them hate as well and that accomplishes nothing except destruction.
IYKParticipantMy first realization that what I was taught was incorrect, came in the form of a dilemma. My dad was claiming that anything he said, I had to do because of Kibbud Av. Failure to do so, would result in gehenim, a new world of suffering. I was being told to do things that I was unable to do. Did that mean that god was going to also be cruel to me because of my incapability to do what my father told me and I would be going to hell? I couldn’t believe that hashem was that cruel. I asked a rav about it. I got an answer. But I still was not protected from the abuses. Rabbis have not protected me. They were fully aware that I was being abused and I told another rabbi as well about what was happening at home long before the psychological abuses were noticed by me. Again, failure to protect the victim, yet claiming to be rabbis. This is why Jewish rabbis are no longer respected in the non Jewish world anymore and we are hated by so many people. We are even turning our own away to become non Jewish because the truth is many are not worthy of the name rabbi.
IYKParticipantUJM:
I will repeat my unanswered question to you and expect an answer that is truthful.
What stops these abusers from repeating these offenses to others in this fantasy world of yours?
You are claiming through the name of Torah and the name of the creator of the world that these offenses must go on and that the abusers need to be left with zero consequences for their actions. This is a very bold statement and I wonder if you are pro abuse? I actually wonder if you are an abuser yourself? But what I wonder doesn’t matter here. What matters is truth. What matters is defiling the name of god, the name of other rabbis as well, for the selfish purpose of destroying the world and it’s beauty. To prevent chilul hashem by protecting abusers, you and your kind are in actuality doing the very thing that you are saying not do to to you. You are making such a chilul Hashem by spreading false information as the truth.
Please answer my question. What is stopping these abuses from being repeated in this fantasy world that you are portraying as the way of Torah and the word of god?IYKParticipantPerhaps a separate topic asking when mesira applies today would address the issue for UJM. But the headline of this topic clearly is therapists and mesira.
IYKParticipantUJM:
Perhaps the conservative/reform approach is when those misinterpret the Halacha so they can have sick moments of fun at the expense of those who don’t have the ability to defend themselves.
In true abuse cases that the victim is scared to death to speak out, “raglayim ledavar” may not be available until they escape it themselves and the damage is already done. At that point, there is no “raglayim ledavar” available in the form of visible bruising or scars. What stops these sick abusers from repeating the offense to others in this fantasy world of yours? Have you ever heard of the sixth chelek shulchan aruch called common sense?
You want others with intellectual honesty to speak. Where’s yours?IYKParticipantTo all the posters showing support and to YWN I appreciate what you are doing here.
UJM:
My abusers claimed to all that my accusations were false and made up. Others backed them and shunned me for speaking out. If I wouldn’t have the power of a mandated reporter to back me, the abuses would have gotten worse. If it’s only allegations, why would anyone be afraid of the police finding out the truth? It would expose the issues of the one making false accusations. But a mandated reporter has more training than you can possibly know of to tell when there is risk. By the trained therapist being a voice for those that can’t yet speak for themselves, it only has positive outcome. Both ways it’s a positive outcome. Have you thought that at one point because of all that was done to me, I did not see the beauty in living another day? Do you know how many times I went to sleep praying I should not wake up in the morning? Do you know that I attempted twice to end my life because people wouldn’t listen to me? I know that life is worth living because I see how much the world gives for us to live. But when faced with such challenges, it’s hard to see that the world only gives us food water wood for houses and the many other gifts including animals giving their entire bodies so we can eat the meat from that, because humans deserve more than we were told. I used to sleep on the floor because I thought I didn’t deserve better than to be treated as a dog, because that’s how people were treating me. We need to stand up for therapists and the abused, because if their job to report is infringed, it will lead to bad endings. I am thriving now that I love myself, but how can we go on ignoring over one million dollars in damages per victim? We need to be the change, or the very society that allows us to live freely will collapse under this strain alone.IYKParticipantDuring the time I was working, still dealing with abuse, I had been earning approximately 50 grand per year on my first job. My earnings potential would have been even more had I been raised properly. I’ve lost work potential of well over $500,000 plus let’s not forget the cost of over $130,000 for hospital visits during my experience. I mean this story has racked damages so far told of over $800,000. Needless to say, I have never been more harmed by any other senseless act than abuse has done to me. I can keep going, but I believe my point has been made. Abuses are not a sustainable way to continue in society.
IYKParticipantI wish to bring to light that the victims are being focused on when abuse cases are exposed. In reality, the victims may need therapy, but the abusers need even more therapy than the victims need. As a former victim, people think, 10 years may not sound like much. But that ten years consisted of well over one thousand sessions. It was actually closer to one thousand five hundred sessions. If you look into how much a therapist actually charges, you begin to know the extent of damage that one victim is caused by abuse. Most people don’t have one hundred grand to put down to pay for all that therapy. That’s just the therapy aspect. Forget the cost of being maxed out on some six different medications when the doctors finally told me that the only option left in the book was lifelong hospitalization. If I hadn’t begged a certain relative to advocate for me, I would not have a voice today and probably would be dead already. Medication alone matched the price of the therapy. Are the abusers paying $200,000 for damages? Nope. How about loss of financial opportunity? How many years of work was lost to go to that therapy? People have no clue yet and it is not public knowledge how much damage is caused in reality per person that is abused. Think it over. Does it makes sense at all? I think it doesn’t.
IYKParticipantI really want to help other victims escape abuse. Revenge solves nothing, as abusers only pass the revenge on to their victims. But how do I find leaders who stand up to denounce the horrors of abuse? I’m glad that some people took notice now that I didn’t see any other options than to take this to those who would act. I would back down and be helpful if guidance of who to go to can be posted. I struggle still financially and have little community support to change that. I no longer hate, but if there is no one to turn to, I must go to anti Semitic sources. I don’t want to, but being one voice, with no backup, is not possible to succeed. I want to share my story where it matters, if such a place exists. But I have yet to see it. Any guidance of where my voice will be heard within the community would be very appreciated.
IYKParticipantI believe that public speaking with question and answer session is the key to overcoming the problem. I’m more than prepared to get up and speak if there is a desire to hear my point of view. I just need guidance on where in the community to turn that will give me the right podium.
IYKParticipantYou cannot possibly believe that the abuses are what the RBSO wants. There is a clear reason the beis hamikdosh has not been rebuilt. In over 2000 years, we as a people have learnt nothing. Using the name of hashem to protect abusers is very wrong.
That being said, I plan to publish my story of abuse in anti Semitic newspaper if that’s what it takes to eradicate the evils that are being protected by this community. As by protecting the abusers, you have validated what they do, automatically taken a side. Their side is evil. Unfortunately, it seems that evil will have to combat evil. So sad that the point is lost.IYKParticipantHalacha is determined after true understanding of Torah. Just because someone decides abuse is allowed doesn’t mean that Hashem wants it to happen. In fact, ask yourself why the bais hamikdosh was not rebuilt in over 2000 years. If we were doing the right things, it would have been rebuilt already. Clearly, “Jewish” people are not wanting it back. If you want the temple restored, embrace the fact that you still don’t know right from wrong and be the change.
IYKParticipantI have a lot to say on the subject, but for some reason, my post wasn’t posted.
Mesira is being used as an excuse by abusers to get away with abusing their victims. I was a victim of abuse and take this subject quite personally, as I see how many years of therapy it took to overcome the childhood trauma caused to me. I was spanked at 3 years old. I hadn’t even gone to school, mimicking my own parents to learn and got spanked for learning to be like them. Makes absolutely no sense at all. I was taught to harm myself and commanded to do so by my own parents. A cycle of hatred that took over 10 years of therapy to break. It’s anti Torah as the foundation of Torah is to love oneself so that they can love others like they love themselves. There is no excuse for spanking, there is absolute necessity to do “Mesira” to prevent abuses from continuing. -
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